Canon I860 printhead

[GeoffC]

Could you explain in more detail how you feel that non-canon inks
fitted would have a negative effect. I've combed though various
service manuals and they would suggest that the lifespan of a given
canon, when I re-crunch their numbers, are only rated at 10 cartridge
changes before "end of life". I have had a chance to evaluate the
mp760 vs the ip3000 and I have to say the mp760 got head issues first,
and this was the pigment black, and this was with OEM ink. My ip3000
experienced a similar issue, but that I attribute to the fact the
printer was taken out of service in favor of the ip5200.

We could see what sort of effects were present in the printers where
non-Canon inks were used. For instance, they leaked in transit while the
genuine inks never did. Our impression was that head blockage was much
more prevalent when non-Canon ink was used. And so on.
And why is this? I understand that the exact formulation of
manufacturer's inks is secret. So the others must be somewhat ...
different. You work out the rest.
(You should be aware that we could access the printer's Page Count and
see how few pages it had done before failing).
That said, original black ink seemed to be problematic with some
obsolete Canon printer models, but not the iP3000, ip5200 so far as I
recall.
The mechanical parts of a Canon printer (not the heads or ink or waste
ink absorber)lasted for something like 50,000 pages before succumbing to
excessive wear which, when you think about it, is a crazy amount of
printing to do with a bubblejet printer. They generally also ran for
thousands of pages before an ink absorber service was required.

http://www.printerhelp.me.uk

 

[zakezuke]

We could see what sort of effects were present in the printers where
non-Canon inks were used. For instance, they leaked in transit while the
genuine inks never did. Our impression was that head blockage was much
more prevalent when non-Canon ink was used. And so on.
And why is this? I understand that the exact formulation of
manufacturer's inks is secret. So the others must be somewhat ...
different. You work out the rest.
(You should be aware that we could access the printer's Page Count and
see how few pages it had done before failing).

This is at least somewhat reasonable. There is a fine balance between
holding the ink in and it coming out. Viscosity can be a factor as
well. Still I can't say I have never had an OEM tank leak somewhat.
If you are going with aftermarket tanks, or self refilled OEM, this
something to look out for.

But really, I can't see what the cussing is about. Modern printers
have a ink pad for over-spray when printing in borderless mode. Both
excessive use and minor leaking in transit would result in the same
issue.

Head replacement I can't say as being a big issue as these have been
shipped as advance replacements for years. This is unless you mean
referb models, which again are shipped without a head the last time I
checked.

That said, original black ink seemed to be problematic with some
obsolete Canon printer models, but not the iP3000, ip5200 so far as I
recall.

Near as I'm aware, the size of the pigment black nozzles remained
unchanged for some time. 30pl or so. I can say I have had one issue
with heavy banding using OEM in on a mp760, light banding on a ip3000
with aftermarket. The mp760 was not used as often as the ip3000, so
that explains that, and the ip3000 was replaced with an ip5200 and not
powered down properly.

There could have been an improvement in the waste station, or you
could be speaking of pre bci-3e ink.

The mechanical parts of a Canon printer (not the heads or ink or waste
ink absorber)lasted for something like 50,000 pages before succumbing to
excessive wear which, when you think about it, is a crazy amount of
printing to do with a bubblejet printer. They generally also ran for
thousands of pages before an ink absorber service was required.

I can't say i've seen 50,000. My experience base is limited to about
13 - 16 cartridge changes before head issues on OEM as well as
aftermarket. I can say according to the service manuals for the
ip4000, ip5200, mp760 and such. I don't have the manual in front of
me, but I believe either 10,000 or 20,000 is end of life or the
printhead, and the printer, where if you do the math based on their
tests, most of them using the ISO JIS-SCID, works out to be about 10
cartridge changes.

I've never hit an ink absorber error my self.

 

[Michael Johnson]

We could see what sort of effects were present in the printers where
non-Canon inks were used. For instance, they leaked in transit while the
genuine inks never did. Our impression was that head blockage was much
more prevalent when non-Canon ink was used. And so on.
And why is this? I understand that the exact formulation of
manufacturer's inks is secret. So the others must be somewhat ...
different. You work out the rest.
(You should be aware that we could access the printer's Page Count and
see how few pages it had done before failing).
That said, original black ink seemed to be problematic with some
obsolete Canon printer models, but not the iP3000, ip5200 so far as I
recall.
The mechanical parts of a Canon printer (not the heads or ink or waste
ink absorber)lasted for something like 50,000 pages before succumbing to
excessive wear which, when you think about it, is a crazy amount of
printing to do with a bubblejet printer. They generally also ran for
thousands of pages before an ink absorber service was required.

http://www.printerhelp.me.uk

I just visited your website and found a link to a seller of compatible
ink cartridges for Canon printers in the Google ad box at the top of the
page!?!? There seems to be some sort of conflict here, I just can't
figure out what it is.

FWIW, I have been using quality compatible inks in five Canon printers
for almost three years with no problems. I have replaced only one print
head on these printers and I chalk that one up to it being used
extensively in a home office or it just wasn't up to spec from the
beginning. The print head actually never failed it just had issues at
times and I saw fit to replace it after about a 1.5 years of use (with
after market ink, that is). I could have bought 20 print heads with the
money I have saved using after market ink verses OEM so I'm not complaining.

I see one common thread here when it comes to using after market inks.
The people that do use them and make sure they are buying quality,
reputable brands have no problems. Their testimonies are based on their
own personal experience over years of use.

OTOH, people who say after market ink will destroy your printer have
very little, and usually no, experience with using QUALITY after market
inks for any substantial period of time. How these people can claim to
be knowledgeable on the subject escapes me.

 

[measekite]

We could see what sort of effects were present in the printers where
non-Canon inks were used. For instance, they leaked in transit while
the genuine inks never did. Our impression was that head blockage was
much more prevalent when non-Canon ink was used. AMEN
And so on.
And why is this? I understand that the exact formulation of
manufacturer's inks is secret. So the others must be somewhat ...
different. Absolutely
You work out the rest.
(You should be aware that we could access the printer's Page Count and
see how few pages it had done before failing).
That said, original black ink seemed to be problematic with some
obsolete Canon printer models, but not the iP3000, ip5200 so far as I
recall.
The mechanical parts of a Canon printer (not the heads or ink or waste
ink absorber)lasted for something like 50,000 pages before succumbing
to excessive wear which, when you think about it, is a crazy amount of
printing to do with a bubblejet printer. They generally also ran for
thousands of pages before an ink absorber service was required.

Oh Yeah.

But you goota be careful when you post with member of the church of the
inky stinkies. You cannot win any discussion with them. Beware that
many are in the business of selling the crap ink or have some
association with them while others have something else to gain.

That said I will say that Canon (all -OEM- others as well) is way
overpriced. I wish there would be a reputable company who would make
branded non OEM ink sold in carts for about $5.00 that would be on the
same level as OEM and sold through off marketing venues so one could
track the brand and know of the problems. These crap ink vendors sell
who knows what (they will not tell you) under a variety of names so you
cannot track them. There are a few that have multiple websites under
different names selling the same thing under different names and even at
different prices. Holy mackeral Great Guga Muga Let me otta here,

 

[Frank]

measekite wrote:


-----------all lies and bs deleted------------

Get a life you idiot!
Frank

 

[Frank]

Oh Yeah.

But you goota be careful when you post with member of the church of the
inky stinkies.

No, you gotta be careful about taking the advice of a ****wit moron know
nothing blowhard like you!

You cannot win any discussion with them. Beware that

many are in the business of selling the crap ink or have some
association with them while others have something else to gain.

Beware that meashershithead is a shill, a plant for overpriced oem ink
suppliers.

----stupid lying crap deleted------

Get a life you jerk.
Frank

 

[Irwin Peckinloomer]

The Kingfish, circa 1952
Holy mackerel
"Stranded in The Jungle" circa 1959
Great Guga Muga Let me otta here,

 

[Mickey]

GeoffC wrote: .....

FWIW, I have been using quality compatible inks in five Canon printers
for almost three years with no problems. I have replaced only one print
head on these printers and I chalk that one up to it being used
extensively in a home office or it just wasn't up to spec from the
beginning. The print head actually never failed it just had issues at
times and I saw fit to replace it after about a 1.5 years of use (with
after market ink, that is). I could have bought 20 print heads with the
money I have saved using after market ink verses OEM so I'm not
complaining.

I see one common thread here when it comes to using after market inks.
The people that do use them and make sure they are buying quality,
reputable brands have no problems. Their testimonies are based on their
own personal experience over years of use.

OTOH, people who say after market ink will destroy your printer have
very little, and usually no, experience with using QUALITY after market
inks for any substantial period of time. How these people can claim to
be knowledgeable on the subject escapes me.

Have to agree with Michael's comments.

I started this thread when I first noticed a hint of a problem while
printing out full page photo's. I Was thinking and someone suggested
the problem could be the tanks if old. They were, (the originals,
refilled many times)I replaced the tanks and now all seem to be back
working again. Let's see, the printer is at least 3 yrs old, still
using the original tanks and a week ago I noticed for the first time any
problems. Damn, I had been warned by our troll this would happen and I
didn't listen. Note to self, gotta start listening to the trolls. HA!

Let's see, how much money have I saved before I ever noted a hint of a
problem?

As for OEM ink formulations, they may not be published, but secret, I
think not. Any decent chem lab could tell what's in a sample.

Mickey

 

[zakezuke]

Have to agree with Michael's comments.

I started this thread when I first noticed a hint of a problem while
printing out full page photo's. I Was thinking and someone suggested
the problem could be the tanks if old. They were, (the originals,
refilled many times)I replaced the tanks and now all seem to be back
working again. Let's see, the printer is at least 3 yrs old, still
using the original tanks and a week ago I noticed for the first time any
problems. Damn, I had been warned by our troll this would happen and I
didn't listen. Note to self, gotta start listening to the trolls. HA!

Let's see, how much money have I saved before I ever noted a hint of a
problem?

As for OEM ink formulations, they may not be published, but secret, I
think not. Any decent chem lab could tell what's in a sample.

Mickey

A chem lab could duplicate a given ink, but ink formulas and
cartridges are protected by patents. But it's not an issue to make
ink with similar color and specification. This could have an effect
on print head life, positive or negative. Given OEM canon is rated at
about 10 cartridge changes before end of life (based on numbers in
their service manual), anything above and beyond OEM or otherwise is a
bonus.

 

[measekite]

I just visited your website and found a link to a seller of compatible
ink cartridges for Canon printers in the Google ad box at the top of
the page!?!? There seems to be some sort of conflict here, I just
can't figure out what it is.

FWIW, I have been using quality compatible inks in five Canon printers
for almost three years with no problems. I have replaced only one
print head on these printers and I chalk that one up to it being used
extensively in a home office

Just like I said. Very heavy use will help mitigate the print clogging
risk. Using it as home under normal load is risky. And using it for
photos that fade and give less than OEM results is a waste. Now here
comes the rationalizations.

or it just wasn't up to spec from the beginning. The print head
actually never failed it just had issues at times and I saw fit to
replace it after about a 1.5 years of use (with after market ink, that
is). I could have bought 20 print heads with the money I have saved
using after market ink verses OEM so I'm not complaining.

If you wanted sub standard photos that fade. Maybe with heavy usage

I see one common thread here when it comes to using after market inks.
The people that do use them and make sure they are buying quality,
reputable brands

The companies that sell the stuff will not tell you what the brand is so
they are not reputable.

have no problems. Their testimonies are based on their own personal
experience over years of use.

OTOH, people who say after market ink will destroy your printer have
very little, and usually no, experience with using QUALITY

The only quality aftermarket ink is from Pantone and that is only for
Epson and costs more than Epson. Their clients are professional people.

 

[Burt]

Have to agree with Michael's comments.

I started this thread when I first noticed a hint of a problem while
printing out full page photo's. I Was thinking and someone suggested the
problem could be the tanks if old. They were, (the originals, refilled
many times)I replaced the tanks and now all seem to be back working again.
Let's see, the printer is at least 3 yrs old, still using the original
tanks and a week ago I noticed for the first time any problems. Damn, I
had been warned by our troll this would happen and I didn't listen.
Note to self, gotta start listening to the trolls. HA!

Let's see, how much money have I saved before I ever noted a hint of a
problem?

As for OEM ink formulations, they may not be published, but secret, I
think not. Any decent chem lab could tell what's in a sample.

Mickey

Mickey - I'm still using a set of the original bci-6 carts that came with my
i960 four years ago. They are in rotation with three additional sets of
carts and I have purged them a few times. They still work great. so does
the i960 with one replacement of printhead about a year ago. It has had
pretty high volume photo printing.

 

[Meghan Noecker]

We could see what sort of effects were present in the printers where
non-Canon inks were used. For instance, they leaked in transit while the
genuine inks never did. Our impression was that head blockage was much
more prevalent when non-Canon ink was used. And so on.
And why is this? I understand that the exact formulation of
manufacturer's inks is secret. So the others must be somewhat ...
different. You work out the rest.

I first started refilling ink on my Canon s800. I used it for 3 years
before the black started getting a tad blurry. I used refill ink that
whole time.

My parents have been using a Canon 560 for about 2 years now with
refilled ink, not a single problem yet. The money we saved on ink
woudl have bought several new printers easily. The risk of ruining the
printer is nothing compared to the money saved on the ink.

I use 4 printers, all with the refilled ink. I did have one printhead
that has clogged twice. I was able to clean it and have it back to
normal in half an hour. No biggy. Compressed air was enough to clear
it out.

I do replace the individual tanks when they need it, but that's only a
couple per color each year. I buy real canon tanks, and use those for
my refills.

 

[Meghan Noecker]

Mickey - I'm still using a set of the original bci-6 carts that came with my
i960 four years ago. They are in rotation with three additional sets of
carts and I have purged them a few times. They still work great. so does
the i960 with one replacement of printhead about a year ago. It has had
pretty high volume photo printing.

How do you purge them?

I've got a few that I was planning to toss, but I'm willing to give it
a try.

 

[Burt]

How do you purge them?

I've got a few that I was planning to toss, but I'm willing to give it
a try.

The Nifty Stuff Forum has lots of info on purging carts after several
refills. the info is abstracted to the following link:
http://www.nifty-stuff.com/docs/canon-BCI-6-cartridges.php
Check out this forum for lots of info and tricks on refilling.