Can not format to FAT32???

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mxh

I have a large partition (115 gb) that I've been using for video files. It
is an extended partition and C:\ is the primary on this drive (5.7 gb).
Yesterday I received low disk notification so I decided to redistribute the
disk space to accomodate a larger c: drive. I copied the video files to
another drive and formatted both drives to FAT 32 via the repair console.

When I booted into XP, it showed the video partition as unformatted (C: was
fine, I restored a ghost image to the new enlarged partition and it is
FAT32). I tried to format it from Disk Management, but the only format
option was NTFS. So, I went back to the repair console and formatted to
FAT32 again. Again, upon booting into XP it shows the partition as
unformatted. Right now I am letting it format in XP to NTFS, but I'd sure
like to know why I can't go FAT 32.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Mark
 
S

Sam

Sometime on, or about Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:08:46 -0600, mxh scribbled:
I have a large partition (115 gb) that I've been using for video files. It
is an extended partition and C:\ is the primary on this drive (5.7 gb).
Yesterday I received low disk notification so I decided to redistribute the
disk space to accomodate a larger c: drive. I copied the video files to
another drive and formatted both drives to FAT 32 via the repair console.

When I booted into XP, it showed the video partition as unformatted (C: was
fine, I restored a ghost image to the new enlarged partition and it is
FAT32). I tried to format it from Disk Management, but the only format
option was NTFS. So, I went back to the repair console and formatted to
FAT32 again. Again, upon booting into XP it shows the partition as
unformatted. Right now I am letting it format in XP to NTFS, but I'd sure
like to know why I can't go FAT 32.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Mark

Fat32 can use a maximum of 32gig. It's a limitation of the system. See:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_tdrn.asp

Sam
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

In
Sam said:
Sometime on, or about Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:08:46 -0600, mxh scribbled:

Fat32 can use a maximum of 32gig. It's a limitation of the
system.


No, not quite true. Windows XP can not *create* a FAT32 partition
larger than 32GB. However it will use one without a problem if
you first create it externally, using, for example, FDISK from
Windows Me.
 
R

R. C. White

Hi, Mark.

Sam gave you the right URL, but it requires some very close reading. The
key paragraph there says:

"In theory, FAT32 volumes can be about 8 terabytes; however, the maximum
FAT32 volume size that Windows XP Professional can format is 32 GB.
Therefore, you must use NTFS to format volumes larger than 32 GB. However,
Windows XP Professional can read and write to larger FAT32 volumes formatted
by other operating systems."

Microsoft wants everybody to use NTFS, so they decided to limit WinXP's
ability to format FAT32. WinXP can USE the largest FAT32 volume you can
find, but WinXP can't do the FAT32 formatting on any volume larger than 32
GB.

If you boot from a Win98/ME boot floppy, you can use the MS-DOS program
Format.exe to format a volume as large as about 127 GB as FAT32. After
formatting, WinXP will happily use the whole thing. But WinXP can't do the
formatting itself.

To create the large volume, you can use the MS-DOS command FDISK, or you can
do it in WinXP, using Disk Management.

Unless you plan to install Win9x/ME on this computer, there's no reason that
I can see to insist on FAT32. Why do you object to using NTFS?

RC
 
M

mxh

Ken Blake said:
In
system.


No, not quite true. Windows XP can not *create* a FAT32 partition
larger than 32GB. However it will use one without a problem if
you first create it externally, using, for example, FDISK from
Windows Me.

Ah, that's the answer. I originally formatted this partition with Fdisk from
ME. Question: Why does XP have these limitations?

Thanks,
Mark
 
M

mxh

R. C. White said:
Hi, Mark.

Sam gave you the right URL, but it requires some very close reading. The
key paragraph there says:

"In theory, FAT32 volumes can be about 8 terabytes; however, the maximum
FAT32 volume size that Windows XP Professional can format is 32 GB.
Therefore, you must use NTFS to format volumes larger than 32 GB. However,
Windows XP Professional can read and write to larger FAT32 volumes
formatted
by other operating systems."

Microsoft wants everybody to use NTFS, so they decided to limit WinXP's
ability to format FAT32. WinXP can USE the largest FAT32 volume you can
find, but WinXP can't do the FAT32 formatting on any volume larger than 32
GB.

If you boot from a Win98/ME boot floppy, you can use the MS-DOS program
Format.exe to format a volume as large as about 127 GB as FAT32. After
formatting, WinXP will happily use the whole thing. But WinXP can't do
the
formatting itself.

To create the large volume, you can use the MS-DOS command FDISK, or you
can
do it in WinXP, using Disk Management.

Unless you plan to install Win9x/ME on this computer, there's no reason
that
I can see to insist on FAT32.
Why do you object to using NTFS?

I guess I don't, really. It's just that I've always used the FAT system and
have had no reason to convert to NTFS. However, in the interim, I've already
formatted to NTFS, so I guess I'm about to experiment with it.

Thanks for the response,

Mark


<snip>
 
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Bruce Chambers

Greetings --

By design, WinXP cannot create and format a new partition greater
than 32 Gb. This is because NTFS is the superior file system, and not
nearly as wasteful of drive space. (If you make a FAT32 partition
larger than 8 Gb, you're "throwing away" significant amounts of
storage capacity. However, the OS has no problems being installed
upon or otherwise using FAT32 a partition larger than 32 GB, as long
as that partition has been created/formatted by another OS, such as
Win98.


Bruce Chambers

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Ken Blake, MVP

In
mxh said:
Ah, that's the answer. I originally formatted this partition with
Fdisk from ME. Question: Why does XP have these limitations?


Because Microsoft believes that NTFS is better than FAT32,
especially when the partition size exceeds 32GB. I also believe
NTFS is better, but if it were me, I wouldn't have created the
limit they did.
 
M

mxh

Ken Blake said:
In


Because Microsoft believes that NTFS is better than FAT32,
especially when the partition size exceeds 32GB. I also believe
NTFS is better, but if it were me, I wouldn't have created the
limit they did.

Well, having gone ahead with the NTFS format, I'll soon find out.

Thanks again,
Mark


 
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Sam

Sometime on, or about Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:34:35 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP
scribbled:
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system.

No, not quite true. Windows XP can not *create* a FAT32 partition
larger than 32GB. However it will use one without a problem if
you first create it externally, using, for example, FDISK from
Windows Me.

You're right, of course. It had been so long since I've partitioned a drive
from DOS, that I'd forgotten about that. Thanks for the correction.

Sam
 
B

Bob Harris

A "feature" of XP is that it refuses to make FAT32 partitions greater than
32 Gig. It can use them, but it won't make them.

If you really want a big FAT32 partition, get a third-party like Partition
Magic, version 8.

However, you should ask why you want FAT32, instead of NTFS. Compatibility
with 98/ME or LINUX would be a good answer. Otherwise, NTFS is a more
robust file system. Further, it can handle very large single files, as
opposed to the 4Gig limit for FAT32. If you do any video procssing, 4Gig
can be too small.

I once thought that it was nearly impossible to recover files from NTFS,
since a DOS boot floppy can't see an NTFS partition. However, these days
there are free NTFS drivers for DOS. These are read-only, but allow copying
off of the NTFS partition to a FAT32 (or 16 or 12) partition. (Note that
the corresponding write-drivers are available, but not free.) Further,
there are recovery programs that specialize in NTFS. Finally, there are
mini-LINUX distributions that can be run from a CD that can read NTFS and
copy files off of a disk.
 
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Alex Nichol

mxh said:
I have a large partition (115 gb) that I've been using for video files. It
is an extended partition and C:\ is the primary on this drive (5.7 gb).
Yesterday I received low disk notification so I decided to redistribute the
disk space to accomodate a larger c: drive. I copied the video files to
another drive and formatted both drives to FAT 32 via the repair console.

XP will not format any partition bigger than 32GB as FAT 32. You can do
it by getting a Win98 startup floppy (if one is not to hand, download an
image to make one from www.bootdisk.com) and boot it; use its FORMAT
command, making sure that you have the correct drive letter - that may
*not* be the same as the one XP is using for the partition
 
R

R. C. White

Hi, mxh.
I've already
formatted to NTFS, so I guess I'm about to experiment with it.

Good decision! On a day-to-day basis, you probably won't notice any
difference at all. After a while, though, you'll realize that you haven't
had any lost clusters or bad allocation units since you switched, and you
haven't needed to run ChkDsk very often, or at all.

To clarify a phrase used often when discussing this subject, we don't
"create a FAT32 partition". We create an unformatted volume (a primary
partition or a logical drive in an extended partition), using either FDISK
from MS-DOS or WinXP's Disk Management. The volume is assigned a "drive
letter" even before it is formatted. At this point, it is neither a FAT32
volume nor an NTFS volume. Format.exe from Win9x/ME can format it as FAT32
and make it into a FAT32 volume. Disk Management can format it as NTFS or,
only if it is not larger than 32 GB, as FAT32. (Why the 32 GB limit? Just
because Microsoft designed WinXP that way.)

We often say we "create a FAT32 volume"; it's convenient shorthand and most
experienced users know what we really mean, but we need to remember the way
it really happens. First we create an unformatted volume and then we format
it, at which point it might or might not become a FAT32 volume. Instead of
saying that "WinXP cannot create a FAT32 volume larger than 32 GB", we
should say that "WinXP cannot format as FAT32 a volume larger than 32 GB".
Yes, we're "splitting hairs", but if those hairs don't get split we wind up
with misunderstandings and misstatements like those in this thread.

RC
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

In
Sam said:
Sometime on, or about Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:34:35 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP
scribbled:


You're right, of course. It had been so long since I've partitioned a
drive from DOS, that I'd forgotten about that. Thanks for the
correction.


You're welcome. Glad to help.
 
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cquirke (MVP Win9x)

Sometime on, or about Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:08:46 -0600, mxh scribbled:
Fat32 can use a maximum of 32gig. It's a limitation of the system.

RUBBISH.

It's a limitation of XP's brain-dead formatter, *NOT* FAT32 itself -
speaking as one who routinely builds with FAT32 volumes up to but no
larger than 128G. Whether you'd want to use FAT32 under such
circumstances is debatable - I do, but selectively - but it's possible

Yes, a fine bit of spin-meistering there. Read this *carefully*...

" Because FAT16 and FAT32 volumes are limited to 4 GB and 32 GB
respectively, you must use NTFS to create volumes larger than 32 GB"

As that stands, it's a flat-out lie. Better partitioners and
formatters can and do create FAT32 volumes over 32G - they will have
larger 32k clusters, of course - and XP uses them fine.

Limitations of FDisk...

Win95 original, SP1: 2G (FAT16, no FAT32 support)
Win95 SR2.x, Win98, Win98SE: between 40G and 60G
WinME, bug-fixed FDisk for Win98xx: up to 99G

After 99G, FDisk (even the fixed one) won't display sizes properly or
give you an input field large enough to enter the extra digit required
to roll up from 99 999 to 100 000.

So I use BING (www.bootitng.com) instead. It's way faster and more
powerful than FDisk and Format, and you don't have to install it as a
boot manager to use it as a partition management tool.


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cquirke (MVP Win9x)

Good decision! On a day-to-day basis, you probably won't notice any
difference at all. After a while, though, you'll realize that you haven't
had any lost clusters or bad allocation units since you switched, and you
haven't needed to run ChkDsk very often, or at all.

Maybe you'd want to know a bit more about why that is.

There are broadly two problems; those that afflict file system logic,
and those related to the actual disk surface.

Since MS-DOS 6, Scandisk has been used as the tool to address both
problems. First, it checks disk logic, and stops when it finds errors
to ask you waht to do about them (with a "more info" to tell you what
it's planning on doing). Then it can optionally check the surface of
the disks for errors as well.

Before Scanisk, ChkDsk was used instead. This doesn't ask you waht to
do; it either does nothing and reports what it finds, or "fixes"
everything without offering you the chance to back out.

NT split off before MS-DOS 6 when ChkDsk was the norm. To this day,
NT (Win2000, XP) lack an interactive ScanDisk, providing only ChkDsk.
If you are on FATxx., you can use a FAT32-aware Win9x DOS mode's
Scandisk from DOS mode; if NTFS, you're stuck with ChkDsk.


AFAIK, it was the original Windows 95 that started automatic disk
checks following bad exits or surface defects. It works like this; a
pair of flags exist for each volume, and if one or other of these is
set when Windows starts, Scandisk automatically checks the file system
and possibly surface too.

One flag is set when file operations are in progress and cleared when
done; if still set at boot time, a "bad exit" happened and a logic
check is performed for that volume.

The other flag is set whenever an attempt to access disk fails; if set
at boot time, a logic and surface check is done on all volumes that
reside on that physical hard drive.


Over the years, the default settings for automatic Scandisk have
become more geared to reduce support calls than protect your data.
Initially, the automatic Scandisk would prompt, but the Scandisk.ini
in Win98 changed the default to auto-"fix" without prompting and
delete recovered file flargments (lost cluster chains). WinME did
away with Scandisk.ini's detailed control and uses a single checkbox
that tesds to revert to the same auto-fixing default.

XP's even more cavalier; in fact, you cannot set the AutoChk to check
for errors without fixing them automatically. It's either trust it to
"fix" without prompting (and it doesn't pause at the end to show you
what it'd done, either) or (with some difficulty, i.e. RegEdit)
suppress the auto-checking facility altogether.

So far, everything I've mentioned applies equally to FATxx and NTFS;
the variations are those between OSs, and NTFS loses out only because
you can't use Scandisk to interactively control what gets "fixed".

But the trend to "fix" the file system even if this loses data
continues within NTFS itself. The good news is that NTFS formalizes
the process of rolling back interrupted transactions to the previous
state; the bad news is that this happens automatically, and may happen
even if automatic checking (AutoChk) is disabled.

MS's own documentation on NTFS is very clear on this: NTFS rollback
does NOT preserve user data. What it does is maintain file system
integrity. If you glitched the end of saving a 500-page Word .doc
you'd have preferred to recover as broken text, too bad; it's gone.

NTFS also "fixes" surface errors on the fly, much as the modern HD
does internally, rather than only when you electively do a surface
check. Once again, the results are buried in the NT logging system,
and not exactly waved in your face as an alert.

So yes - you will see less smoke, but the fire's still there.

In fact what you may notice is data simply vanishing after it's been
"fixed" (rolled back) or a sudden HD collapse without any "you have
bad clusters" warning. The latter can happen anyway, but there's a
real risk that NTFS can mask warning signs when failure is gradual.


You'll note I always put quotes around the word "fix". That's because
logic errors are detected by a divergence of different information
items that describe the damaged file or directory, and the "fix" has
to guess which one to choose. Some errors will always result in data
corruption (e.g. cross-links) whereas others may or may not, depending
if the fixer guesses right. Either way, the cue that marked the file
or directory as damaged is lost - that's why it's so important to see
what these processes do, and keep an accessible log thereof.

When it comes to surface defects, the situation is more serious. A
failing disk is a crisis waiting to explode (given that the HD's own
internal defect management is already hiding newly-developing
defects), so "out of sight, out of mind" is a really bad idea.

Not all file system errors are the result of interruption of normal
file operations, as is typically assumed by repair tools. Bad
hardware is equally likely to currupt FATxx as NTFS; it's a problem
that isn't amenable to "fixing" by designing the file system
differently, unless it's to add extra redundancy.

By the same token, malware that writes "under" or "through" the file
system can destroy data in ways that file system design is powerless
to fix. Witty has demonstrated that raw code malware can indeed trash
raw disk, irrespective of NTFS's much-vaunted "permissions" etc.


Because NTFS cannot be read from DOS mode, you can't use DOS-based
virus scanners to formally clean NTFS volumes. Bart's PE Builder
provides bootable XP on a CDR, and there are bootable Linux CDRs that
can access NTFS too. But while there are three free or
free-for-evaluation DOS-based av, I know of none that will operate
from a Bart PE or Linux boot disk.

So you had better hope NTFS wards off traditional malware infection,
because cleaning it up may be tricky or impossible. I see far too
many "just wipe and start over" advice posts in response to "my XP is
infected!"; this should not be the only recourse, and isn't, in Win9x.
To clarify a phrase used often when discussing this subject, we don't
"create a FAT32 partition". We create an unformatted volume (a primary
partition or a logical drive in an extended partition), using either FDISK
from MS-DOS or WinXP's Disk Management. The volume is assigned a "drive
letter" even before it is formatted. At this point, it is neither a FAT32
volume nor an NTFS volume. Format.exe from Win9x/ME can format it as FAT32
and make it into a FAT32 volume. Disk Management can format it as NTFS or,
only if it is not larger than 32 GB, as FAT32. (Why the 32 GB limit? Just
because Microsoft designed WinXP that way.)

MS seems to have deliberately broken the product to push it's own
agenda. It's not as if the formatter refuses to format a FAT32 > 32G,
by saying "XP Cannot Format FAT32 > 32G". Nope; it starts formatting
away, screwing up whatever was there as formatting does, and after
taking time to get to 32G, it fails with a "too big" error.

Needless to say, this wasn't fixed in SP1, and needless to say, I
regularly see advice posters extending the misinformation that it's a
defect of FAT32 that XP can't format > 32G as FAT32.
We often say we "create a FAT32 volume"; it's convenient shorthand and most
experienced users know what we really mean, but we need to remember the way
it really happens. First we create an unformatted volume and then we format
it, at which point it might or might not become a FAT32 volume. Instead of
saying that "WinXP cannot create a FAT32 volume larger than 32 GB", we
should say that "WinXP cannot format as FAT32 a volume larger than 32 GB".
Yes, we're "splitting hairs", but if those hairs don't get split we wind up
with misunderstandings and misstatements like those in this thread.

Yep. OTOH, when creating a primary partition of logical volume on an
extended partition, one has to specify the file system - and an
appropriate boot record is created. But until the volume is
formatted, the file system is invalid.

Primary partitions contain one volume, which effectively "is" the
partition. So it's meaningful to speak of FAT32, FAT16 or NTFS
primary partitions. Extended partitions are different; they can
contain anything from none to numerous logical volumes, and those
volumes can be a mixture of FAT16, FAT32 or NTFS.

BING can create and format in one swell foop, and can skip the surface
testing altogether (so you can do that later via other tools). Nice.


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cquirke (MVP Win9x)

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:56:39 -0500, "Bob Harris"
A "feature" of XP is that it refuses to make FAT32 partitions greater than
32 Gig. It can use them, but it won't make them.

Unfortunately, that hasn't been true in my experience. Instead, XP
will start to format the volume, but (eventually) fail if it's "too
big". It's almost a deliberate attempt to make FAT32 look flaky and
create FUD, and posters here do not help dispell this. Only
begrudgingly do they clarify that FAT32 works fine up to 128G, but
they never really state just how broken XP's formatter is (if you
can't dio it, why start and wipe the disk in the process?)

In the case that started this thread, the user in question was
successfully browbeaten into going NTFS, even though that was not what
was originally intended. That sucks, IMO.
If you really want a big FAT32 partition, get a third-party like Partition
Magic, version 8.

BING's cheaper: www.bootitng.com (free evaluation)
However, you should ask why you want FAT32, instead of NTFS. Compatibility
with 98/ME or LINUX would be a good answer. Otherwise, NTFS is a more
robust file system. Further, it can handle very large single files, as
opposed to the 4Gig limit for FAT32. If you do any video procssing, 4Gig
can be too small.

Yes - there are downsides to FAT32 on large volumes; 32k clusters, and
larger RAM overhead to hold the whole of the FAT. On this scale, you
are likely to either have a large number of small files (if in the
same directory, NTFS's indexed directory structure speeds access) or
very large files (FAT32's limited to 4G max per file) or both.
I once thought that it was nearly impossible to recover files from NTFS,
since a DOS boot floppy can't see an NTFS partition. However, these days
there are free NTFS drivers for DOS. These are read-only, but allow copying
off of the NTFS partition to a FAT32 (or 16 or 12) partition. (Note that
the corresponding write-drivers are available, but not free.)

I have used two of these for recovery, and one in the context of
formal virus scanning.

From www.systeminternals.com is a free NTFS driver TSR. Franlkly,
it's not much use for virus scanning, because:
- it takes 300k DOS memory, leaving little room for av (F-Prot OK)
- it can't recurse the directory tree properly

The latter is a killer. If you can't be sure that your formal av scan
has in fact scanned all files, it's not exclusionary - and when I
tried this, I found whole chunks of subtrees were skipped. Note that
this was a "normal" NTFS volume; no encryption, hard links, dynamic
drives, sparse files or other tricks that could throw off 3rd-party
support and thus be exploited as hiding places by malware. As it is,
malware already exploits NTFS's alternate streams, and I doubt whether
these 3rd-party NTFS drivers can access or manage those.

The "pro" version actually shells the HD's native driver code. That's
great for file system compatibility (NTFS is undocumented, subject to
change, and in fact does change even within the lifetime of the same
OS) but as the code it runs could include the malware, you no longer
have a truly formal scanning process.

Another problem arises with the free NTFS TSR in the context of data
recovery; Long File Name support. As you know, LFNs aren't supported
in DOS mode, but Odi's free LFN tools provide "L" replacements for the
internal file system commands that are LFN aware. I've often used...

LCopy D:\* C:\BAD-DRV /A /S

....to scoop an entire HD volume to a host drive from DOS mode. But
these tools won't work through an add-in driver such as required with
NTFS, so you lose LFNs unless you run the NTFS TSR within a Windows 9x
GUI environment (where the API supports LFNs).

From www.NTFS.com comes the free ReadNTFS, which lets you view and
copy off files. unlike Recovery Console, it will copy subtrees, but
you can't use wildcards or select multiple items. It's also very slow
to pull up each directory you look at, and doesn't "remember" ones it
has done - so that navigating the bowels of the awful "Documents and
Settings" structure is extremely tedious (and may be impossible if any
one of the layers gets bonked).
Further, there are recovery programs that specialize in NTFS.

More on this, please - especially if there are any that are free.
Does the current Norton Utilities include an NTFS counterpart to the
DOS mode based NDD, UnErase and DiskEdit tools? If so, are they also
DOS mode based or do they need Windows?

Windows ME and later are problematic as recovery hosts, to to Systrem
Restore puking on the at-risk volumes you are trying to recover from.
Finally, there are mini-LINUX distributions that can be run from a CD
that can read NTFS and copy files off of a disk.

I'd rather not have to learn a whole new OS, in addition to wrestling
with an undocumented and ever-changing file system, if you don't mind!
OTOH, if I did figure out Linux, I might not come back :)


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mxh

cquirke (MVP Win9x) said:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:31:24 -0600, "R. C. White" <[email protected]>
Yep. OTOH, when creating a primary partition of logical volume on an
extended partition, one has to specify the file system - and an
appropriate boot record is created. But until the volume is
formatted, the file system is invalid.

Primary partitions contain one volume, which effectively "is" the
partition. So it's meaningful to speak of FAT32, FAT16 or NTFS
primary partitions. Extended partitions are different; they can
contain anything from none to numerous logical volumes, and those
volumes can be a mixture of FAT16, FAT32 or NTFS.

BING can create and format in one swell foop, and can skip the surface
testing altogether (so you can do that later via other tools). Nice.


Thanks for all the indepth info. I have been using the "mistakenly" NTFS
formatted partition now for 3 or 4 days (this partition is exclusively for
video) and have not run into any issues. I also like being able to record
files larger than 4gb (except for the fact that I can't copy these across
the network to a FAT32 partition, but that's really not that big of a deal).

After reading your comments, I've also DL'ed BING to check it out. but the
real question here is, if chkdsk and Scandisk do such a poor job, what
recommendations are there for a third party solution for chkdisk/scandisk?

Thanks,
Mark
 

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