Can I use my XP Pro on a new PC?

[John]

I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a full
XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting a
new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP Pro
on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?

John

 

[Patti MacLeod]

Hi John,

Yes, you can transfer the XP Pro to another workstation computer (without
charge) if you completely remove XP Pro from the former workstation
computer. Item 4 of the EULA:

"TRANSFER-Internal. You may move the Product to a different Workstation
Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Product from
the former Workstation Computer."



Regards,

 

[Rock]

I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a full
XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting a
new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP Pro
on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?

John

Yes.

 

[John]

That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old PC?
How do they know I did it?

John

 

[T. Waters]

They trust you to have enough FUD that you will remove it "just in case..."
If someone else were to run the old machine, and connect to the MS server,
there could be activation problems for you in the future.

 

[Patti MacLeod]

John,

Although MS might not personally know whether you have removed XP from your
old computer, product activation's rechecking of the activated hardware
might know:

Is there rechecking of the activation after initial activation? Is there any
secret data transfer to Microsoft?
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b

Genuine Windows Validation may fail if you try to download items from the
Microsoft Download Center using XP on the old PC:
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/do...02-e496-465a-bba9-b2f1182cdf24&displaylang=en

Currently, Genuine Windows Validation is optional, and you can opt to d/load
without performing the validation........but it is something that I could
visualize being made mandatory in the future (no, I have no "inside track"
information about it being made mandatory........just hazarding a guess).



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That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old PC?
How do they know I did it?

John

 

[Michael Stevens]

In

That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old
PC? How do they know I did it?

John

They do and they wouldn't, but I could be wrong and you could be sent to
prison or infested with a plague if you didn't. You will need to choose
between the options. ;-) XP has a one computer license; the same as the
majority of software applications.


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[John]

Thanks for the link to his page http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b

I bought a notebook about 1 year ago and it has XP Home on it. After
reading this statement below I understand I could also install my XP Pro on
it too. I would love to have everything the same on both the Desktop and
Notebook. Am I reading this right?

"Does MPA allow customers to install products on a portable computer and on
a desktop computer?

Consumers may use the terms of the product's EULA to determine if this is
allowed. Sometimes, the Microsoft EULA permits customers who are the primary
users of Microsoft programs, such as Office and Word, to install one
additional copy on their portable computers for their exclusive use. This
does not apply to product licenses that are acquired with the purchase of a
computer. These OEM licenses are single-use licenses that cannot be
transferred to another computer. Windows XP can only be installed on a
single computer. A new license is required if you install and activate the
product on a different computer."

John

 

[kurttrail]

John,

Although MS might not personally know whether you have removed XP
from your old computer, product activation's rechecking of the
activated hardware might know:

Is there rechecking of the activation after initial activation? Is
there any secret data transfer to Microsoft?
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b

And how would a computer rechecking itself figure out that it is
installed on another computer?

You are full of it. The ONLY way for MS to figure it out is for John to
tell MS.

Genuine Windows Validation may fail if you try to download items from
the Microsoft Download Center using XP on the old PC:
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/do...02-e496-465a-bba9-b2f1182cdf24&displaylang=en

Currently, Genuine Windows Validation is optional, and you can opt to
d/load without performing the validation........but it is something
that I could visualize being made mandatory in the future (no, I have
no "inside track" information about it being made
mandatory........just hazarding a guess).

LOL! Validation has been reported to fail on legitimate systems, and
work on those that are pirated. When MS goes Live with mandatory
validation, MS is just gonna create a major problem with its paying
customers.

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[Bob I]

You are confusing the Application License with the Operating System
license. Operating Systems are one computer/one license. So no Pro on
the notebook unless you buy a Pro license for it or take the retail
version Pro off of the desktop.

Thanks for the link to his page http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b

I bought a notebook about 1 year ago and it has XP Home on it. After
reading this statement below I understand I could also install my XP Pro on
it too. I would love to have everything the same on both the Desktop and
Notebook. Am I reading this right?

"Does MPA allow customers to install products on a portable computer and on
a desktop computer?

Consumers may use the terms of the product's EULA to determine if this is
allowed. Sometimes, the Microsoft EULA permits customers who are the primary
users of Microsoft programs, such as Office and Word, to install one
additional copy on their portable computers for their exclusive use. This
does not apply to product licenses that are acquired with the purchase of a
computer. These OEM licenses are single-use licenses that cannot be
transferred to another computer. Windows XP can only be installed on a
single computer. A new license is required if you install and activate the
product on a different computer."

John

 

[T. Waters]

It's a question of can vs may.
No, you may not use one OS license on two machines.
Microsoft's Windows Product Activation puts a few obstacles in your path if
you try.
Still, it can be done, and you stand no chance of being persecuted by MS if
you do.
The point to keep in mind is that, once 120 days have passed since an
activation, MS cannot know if the software activated on a second machine is
still being used on the first.
Some people get upset at this breach of the EULA and some call it fair use.

wrote:

 

[kurttrail]

Thanks for the link to his page
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302878#3b
I bought a notebook about 1 year ago and it has XP Home on it. After
reading this statement below I understand I could also install my XP
Pro on it too. I would love to have everything the same on both the
Desktop and Notebook. Am I reading this right?

"Does MPA allow customers to install products on a portable computer
and on a desktop computer?

Consumers may use the terms of the product's EULA to determine if
this is allowed. Sometimes, the Microsoft EULA permits customers who
are the primary users of Microsoft programs, such as Office and Word,
to install one additional copy on their portable computers for their
exclusive use. This does not apply to product licenses that are
acquired with the purchase of a computer. These OEM licenses are
single-use licenses that cannot be transferred to another computer.
Windows XP can only be installed on a single computer. A new license
is required if you install and activate the product on a different
computer."

Depends on who is the king of your castle, YOU, or some corporation
whose product was sold to you. Only you can decide that, since MS is
unwilling to legally prove their CLAIMS that they can tell you what you
can and cannot do in your home with your copy of Windows XP.

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

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[Bruce Chambers]

I have an older computer that came with Windows 98se. I then bought a full
XP Pro CD and did a clean install on my computer. I'm thinking of getting a
new computer that only comes with XP home, but I would like to put my XP Pro
on the new computer. The old PC would be junked out so no one would be
using the XP Pro with it. Will MS let me install it on a new PC without
charging me since it will still only be on 1 computer?

John

Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable),
simply remove WinXP from the computer it is currently on and then
install it on the new computer. If it's been more than 120 days since
you last activated that specific Product Key, the you'll most likely be
able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been less,
you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


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[Bruce Chambers]

That's great news! Does MS trust me to remove the XP Pro off the old PC?
How do they know I did it?

Microsoft assumes you're honest. They don't have any way to "know" if
you're not.


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[Alias]

Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable),

Yes they are if you wait 120 days since the last activation. You mean to say
MS doesn't *want* you to transfer an OEM.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Microsoft assumes you're honest. They don't have any way to "know" if
you're not.

Using one's paid for software as one chooses is "honest". Putting an EULA
that you can only read after opening the shrink wrap and thus voiding any
possiblity of a refund is "dishonest".

In YOUR case, telling people they can't do something as though it isn't
technically possible is also dishonest.

Alias

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Using one's paid for software as one chooses is "honest".

If that use is in compliance with the terms of the software license and
pertinent copyright law, certainly. Otherwise, no.

Putting an EULA
that you can only read after opening the shrink wrap and thus voiding any
possiblity of a refund is "dishonest".

That's true, but it doesn't apply to any Microsoft products that I've
seen. And is it a Microsoft product we're discussing here. There's a
prominent notice on the outside of each package stating that license
terms apply. If the consumer is too lazy to determine in advance
whether or not the terms of said license are acceptable to him/her, it's
hardly Microsoft's fault. Do *you* need corporate hand-holding? Do you
believe everyone else does?

In YOUR case, telling people they can't do something as though it isn't
technically possible is also dishonest.

I said that the OEM *license* is not transferable. This is true. Read
the EULA. The technical fact that the software may or may not be
installed on another computer is irrelevant. There would be no
legitimate *license* in place on the second computer. To assert that a
successful installation equates to a legitimate license, as you seem to
be implying, is the equivalent of saying that an uncaught thief is the
legitimate owner of whatever property he's stolen.



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[Patti MacLeod]

Responses posted inline.


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And how would a computer rechecking itself figure out that it is
installed on another computer?

You are full of it. The ONLY way for MS to figure it out is for John to
tell MS.

Therefore the use of the word "might" rather than the use of the words
"would definitely" or "would certainly". If I am full of it, then so be it.

LOL! Validation has been reported to fail on legitimate systems, and
work on those that are pirated. When MS goes Live with mandatory
validation, MS is just gonna create a major problem with its paying
customers.

Again, the use of the word "may" instead of the word "will".
I don't see where it was that I said that Validation was absolutely
infallible.

Just attempting to let John know that there *may* (note the use of the word
"may" and not the use of the word "will") be potential issues, if not
immediate then perhaps down the road some time, if he violates the EULA (and
no, that doesn't mean that I want to get into a EULA vs. Fair-use
debate........I simply don't have enough free time on my hands for that).
When the first pirated corporate edition copies of XP were circulating and
being installed by home users, those who had installed these copies of XP
had no problems d/loading and installing the critical and security patches,
etc., from Windows Update.......until SP1 came along. Then yes, I know, ways
of circumventing the inability to install SP1 started circulating, etc.,
etc. That is *possibly* one of the reasons that Genuine Windows Validation
(as fallible as it is in its current state) was conceived.

 

[Alias]

If that use is in compliance with the terms of the software license and
pertinent copyright law, certainly. Otherwise, no.

Not true. Your opinion. I believe that using what one paid for and using it
for what it was designed for is honest.

That's true, but it doesn't apply to any Microsoft products that I've
seen.

Huh? There is no EULA outside the box.

And is it a Microsoft product we're discussing here. There's a prominent
notice on the outside of each package stating that license terms apply.

But not saying what those terms are is *dishonest*. You have to open it to
read it and you are not entitled to a refund if you open it. Catch 22 and
all that scammy jazz you are so in love with.

If the consumer is too lazy to determine in advance whether or not the
terms of said license are acceptable to him/her, it's hardly Microsoft's
fault. Do *you* need corporate hand-holding? Do you believe everyone
else does?

Um, it is not a requirement to search the net for an EULA to buy software.
Money is. I have yet to have a store clerk ask me if I read and agreed to
the EULA before he or she would sell it to me. When they do that, you have a
point. Insisting that people seach the unsearchable MS data base is
unreasonable and supercilious on your part.

I said that the OEM *license* is not transferable. This is true. Read
the EULA. The technical fact that the software may or may not be
installed on another computer is irrelevant.

You state it as though it is tecnically impossible and that, my friend, is a
lie and *dishonest*.

There would be no legitimate *license* in place on the second computer.

So what? I think it's "legitimate" and could give a rats ass if MS agrees
with me. No court has MS up and until they do, the EULA isn't work the
pixels it's written with.

To assert that a successful installation equates to a legitimate license,
as you seem to be implying, is the equivalent of saying that an uncaught
thief is the legitimate owner of whatever property he's stolen.

Um, there you go again with the "thief" nonsense. I paid for the software. I
can do what I want with it. The fact that I may be breaching the EULA is not
theft. Installing it on another computer is fair use, regardless of what the
EULA that you never see until it's too late says.

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

Responses posted inline.





Therefore the use of the word "might" rather than the use of the words
"would definitely" or "would certainly". If I am full of it, then so
be it.

You are full of it. Just like saying there might be leprechans, would
be full of it!

Again, the use of the word "may" instead of the word "will".
I don't see where it was that I said that Validation was absolutely
infallible.

Just attempting to let John know that there *may* (note the use of
the word "may" and not the use of the word "will") be potential
issues, if not immediate then perhaps down the road some time, if he
violates the EULA (and no, that doesn't mean that I want to get into
a EULA vs. Fair-use debate........I simply don't have enough free
time on my hands for that). When the first pirated corporate edition
copies of XP were circulating and being installed by home users,
those who had installed these copies of XP had no problems d/loading
and installing the critical and security patches, etc., from Windows
Update.......until SP1 came along. Then yes, I know, ways of
circumventing the inability to install SP1 started circulating, etc.,
etc. That is *possibly* one of the reasons that Genuine Windows
Validation (as fallible as it is in its current state) was conceived.

And a meteor that will kill all life *MAY* drop on the earth in the next
24 hours.

Talk about PROBABILITY not POSSIBILITY.

There is a possibility that I may be the devil, but the probability is
not all that likely.

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