C:\Documents and Settings\LocalService

[urbane.tiger]

What is the purpose of this folder ?

Should I back it up ?

Same questions apply to "C:\Documents and Settings\NetworkService" and
"C:\Documents and Settings\c4"

 

[Jim]

What is the purpose of this folder ?

Should I back it up ?

Same questions apply to "C:\Documents and Settings\NetworkService" and
"C:\Documents and Settings\c4"

Local Service and Network Service are ID's for portions of XP. Leave such
things alone except for the usual backup.
I don't know anything about the c4 folder.
Jim

 

[urbane.tiger]

Jim,

I know that the xxxService directories are for the "exclusive" use of XP,
that's why they have the System attribute set.

However if I knew what they were used for then I would know whether or not I
need to care for them, XP wont "care" for them ie there is no backup server
in the sky.

By way of example, I know that PrintHood and NetHood are used to store the
shared folder and shared printer links within the context of workgroups. I
don't use workgroups in my office so, in that context, I don't "care" about
these folders. However, in situations where workgroups are used then I do
"care" about them - e.g. a couple of community based organisations in which
I lend a hand, use workgroups to share printers and folders, in that context
I do care about what's under the hoods.

My suspicion is that the xxxService folders are related to the network
browser lists. I guess I'll have to take them apart on a machine that's in
a workgroup to find out.

As for the c4 user directory; there's a "thing" called the C4 Engine in
VS2008, given that I recently put VS2008 Pro on my office system I suspect
its a remnant of that install. I think the C4 engine is part of VB, I
didn't install VB so I suspect that's why its been left lying around - i.e.
its normally cleaned up after then VB install, which didn't happen because I
opted not to install it.

BTW - I do not like being told to "leave things alone" with respect to my
property. I may not own the XP IPR, but I do have the right to know what
information it is storing on MyComputer, in which I do have full and
unambiguous property rights.

FYI - prior to retiring, I spent more than 30 years working in IT, which is
possibly more years than you've been on the planet.

rgds phil

 

[Jim]

Jim,

I know that the xxxService directories are for the "exclusive" use of XP,
that's why they have the System attribute set.

However if I knew what they were used for then I would know whether or not
I need to care for them, XP wont "care" for them ie there is no backup
server in the sky.

By way of example, I know that PrintHood and NetHood are used to store the
shared folder and shared printer links within the context of workgroups.
I don't use workgroups in my office so, in that context, I don't "care"
about these folders. However, in situations where workgroups are used
then I do "care" about them - e.g. a couple of community based
organisations in which I lend a hand, use workgroups to share printers and
folders, in that context I do care about what's under the hoods.

My suspicion is that the xxxService folders are related to the network
browser lists. I guess I'll have to take them apart on a machine that's
in a workgroup to find out.

As for the c4 user directory; there's a "thing" called the C4 Engine in
VS2008, given that I recently put VS2008 Pro on my office system I suspect
its a remnant of that install. I think the C4 engine is part of VB, I
didn't install VB so I suspect that's why its been left lying around -
i.e. its normally cleaned up after then VB install, which didn't happen
because I opted not to install it.

BTW - I do not like being told to "leave things alone" with respect to my
property. I may not own the XP IPR, but I do have the right to know what
information it is storing on MyComputer, in which I do have full and
unambiguous property rights.

FYI - prior to retiring, I spent more than 30 years working in IT, which
is possibly more years than you've been on the planet.

rgds phil

No Phil, on May 22, I will be 78 years old. I also worked in IT for quite a
few years.

Jim

 

[Jim]

Jim,

I know that the xxxService directories are for the "exclusive" use of XP,
that's why they have the System attribute set.

However if I knew what they were used for then I would know whether or not
I need to care for them, XP wont "care" for them ie there is no backup
server in the sky.

<snip>
On page 312 of "Microsoft Registry Guide, Second Edition", a description of
the Local Service account and the Network Service account
is the following:

"Local Service. This profile folder is for the built-in LocalService
account which Service Control Manager uses to host service that don't need
to run under the LocalSystem account"
<snip>
"Network Service. This profile folder is for the built-in NetworkService
account which Service Control Manager uses to host network services that
don't need to run under the LocalSystem account"

Both of these folders are super-hidden, and you mess with them at your own
risk.

Jim

 

[urbane.tiger]

Thanks for the information re purpose of Local and Network Service folders,
my guess as to their purpose was obviously off beam. I try to get copy of
book you reference

you wrote

Both of these folders are super-hidden,

What's "super hidden", if it's that they have their respective Hidden and
System attribute bits set, then what's so super about that, I'm sure I don't
need to tell you about WindowsExplorer->Tools->FolderOptions->View tab ...

Now if the data were in a named stream (aka ADS) in the D&S\<username>
folder (folder's can have multiple data streams - just like any other NTFS
object), you might say that was super hidden, because Windows does not
provide any WIMP tools to look at streams, one has the know about fsutil, a
command line program.

and you mess with them at your own risk.

I am considering whether or not I should back them up, ntbackup will set
archive attribute bits off, I do not regard that as "messing with",
deleting, changing or adding to the content of the folders in question now
that would be "messing"

Finally - re the c4 folder - its not a remnant of VS 2008 install, its
created by VS 2008 itself - if I delete the folder and start VS then the
folder is created - problematic as VS2008 might be, I don't think it would
be fair to call it a virus. BTW you never did give me the reference that
indicated that a c4 folder in D&S was indicative of a viral infection.

 

[Redeye Dog]

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Posted as a reply to:

Re: C:\Documents and Settings\LocalService

Thanks for the information re purpose of Local and Network Service folders,
my guess as to their purpose was obviously off beam. I try to get copy of
book you referenc

you wrot

What's "super hidden", if it's that they have their respective Hidden and
System attribute bits set, then what's so super about that, I'm sure I don't
need to tell you about WindowsExplorer->Tools->FolderOptions->View tab ..

Now if the data were in a named stream (aka ADS) in the D&S\<username>
folder (folder's can have multiple data streams - just like any other NTFS
object), you might say that was super hidden, because Windows does not
provide any WIMP tools to look at streams, one has the know about fsutil, a
command line program

I am considering whether or not I should back them up, ntbackup will set
archive attribute bits off, I do not regard that as "messing with",
deleting, changing or adding to the content of the folders in question now
that would be "messing

Finally - re the c4 folder - its not a remnant of VS 2008 install, its
created by VS 2008 itself - if I delete the folder and start VS then the
folder is created - problematic as VS2008 might be, I don't think it would
be fair to call it a virus. BTW you never did give me the reference that
indicated that a c4 folder in D&S was indicative of a viral infection


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[David B.]

Another useless post from egghead.

 

[Malke]

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Posted as a reply to:

Re: C:\Documents and Settings\LocalService

Thanks for the information re purpose of Local and Network Service
folders, my guess as to their purpose was obviously off beam. I try to get
copy of book you reference

you wrote


What's "super hidden", if it's that they have their respective Hidden and
System attribute bits set, then what's so super about that, I'm sure I
don't need to tell you about WindowsExplorer->Tools->FolderOptions->View
tab ...

Now if the data were in a named stream (aka ADS) in the D&S\<username>
folder (folder's can have multiple data streams - just like any other NTFS
object), you might say that was super hidden, because Windows does not
provide any WIMP tools to look at streams, one has the know about fsutil,
a command line program.


I am considering whether or not I should back them up, ntbackup will set
archive attribute bits off, I do not regard that as "messing with",
deleting, changing or adding to the content of the folders in question now
that would be "messing"

Finally - re the c4 folder - its not a remnant of VS 2008 install, its
created by VS 2008 itself - if I delete the folder and start VS then the
folder is created - problematic as VS2008 might be, I don't think it would
be fair to call it a virus. BTW you never did give me the reference that
indicated that a c4 folder in D&S was indicative of a viral infection.

Thanks for the information, but no one knows to whom you are giving this
information since you are not posting on a real forum as you think you are
and you didn't quote any of the thread to which you are replying. You are
using a web interface that leeches Usenet posts and most of the rest of us
are using real newsreaders. We don't see what you do. If you want to
participate in Usenet, the better way is to set up a newsreader. This is
very easy to do and I'll give you information about that below. If you
prefer to use a forum, then here are two excellent ones:

http://forum.aumha.org/index.php
http://http://computerhaven.info/

Since you are using a web interface, you may not realize that this is really
a newsgroup. You will get far more out of this resource if you learn to use
a newsreader. There are many good newsreaders for Windows, but you can use
Outlook Express (XP) or Windows Mail (Vista) since you already have it. Here
are some links to information about newsgroups:

About Usenet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ - Usenet FAQs from the Internet FAQ Archives
http://www.usenetmonster.com/infocenter/
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Usenet - a brief explanation
of newsgroups

Outlook Express/Windows Mail as Newsreader:
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
http://rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm
http://vistasupport.mvps.org/accessing_newsgrousp_with-windows_mail.htm

How to Post:
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Usenet
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 - How to Ask a Question
http://users.tpg.com.au/bzyhjr/liszt.htm - How Not to Get Technical Help on
Usenet


http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your newsreader is working
properly
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/munad.htm - how to munge email address
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting - crossposting
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting

Other Newsreaders for Windows:
http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php - Forte
http://www.mozilla.org - Thunderbird

Malke

 

[Anteaus]

Another useless post from egghead.

True, a very poorly-framed response, though I'd agree with the principle
that if an Administrator is being prevented from seeing the contents of a
folder, then that constitutes a rootkit.

For security reasons that I shouldn't need to explain, rootkits are Damn Bad
News. I just wish Microsoft would come to their collective senses over this.

Sadly, experiences with Windows 7 and Server 2008 suggests that they are
taking the opposite approach, and indulging in even more 'smoke and mirrors'
tactics with the filing-system.