Asus Probe voltages fluctuate

J

jimbo

On my P4C800E-Deluxe, Asus probe shows the +3.3V line at 3.04V and every few
minutes it drops to 2.96V, where it gives off some beeps. Then back up to
3.04V. then 3.008.
The 12V graph isn't straight over time but bumpy with dips. Vcore graph line
& +5V line are solid.
What does the +3.3V provide power for? I'am having big problems with this
board, like no drives detected in bios on the southbridge, including SATA.
I've got a new 500watt PSU coming in this week so I can test it out.

Jimbo
 
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Paul


Quite true. I noticed the difference between the monitor chip
readings and my voltmeter. The voltmeter readings looked
to be very close to nominal and quite steady, while the Probe
readings were wandering around.

I still wouldn't ignore the 3.3V warning however. That could
be indicating that your ATX 20 pin power connector is loose.
Turn off and unplug the computer. Unplug the 20 pin connector
and examine it carefully. Look for melted plastic or discolored
metal on the connector pins. These could be signs of thermal
damage.

The original cause could be something as simple as
the connector not being fully seated, which causes the
resistance between the connector and motherboard to be
higher than normal. The pins get hot, and the metal
oxidizes. The plastic melts next to the pin, if they
get hot enough.

There was one model of Asus motherboard, where users noticed
the connectors fit sloppy on all the boards, implying a
quality control problem at the factory making the connectors.
I have not heard of that problem being repeated, and presumably
Asus no longer buys those connectors.

Once the surface finish of the pins is damaged, the
connection will never be the same again. Even if you
somehow had a technology to clean the pins, they would
still degrade further over time. The original finish of
the pins is very important, as the metallurgy (layers of
metal plating) are selected for long life, and if they
are disturbed, all bets are off.

If the finish of the connectors is damaged, the only way to
guarantee a fix, is replace the connectors on both ends.
That would mean soldering a new connector on the motherboard,
and installing a new mating connector on the power supply.

The other possibility, is the connectors are good, but the
power supply is weak. You will know soon enough, when you
get your 500W supply.

I can't state positively, what devices feed off the 3.3V. I
can tell you, that the board does have a number of linear
regulators (designed low dropout style, to minimize the
heat generated), constructed with MOSFETs and quad op amps.
It is possible the 3.3V is used to power the RAM (via 3.3
to 2.5V linear regulator), and then the 2.5V is further
dropped to voltages like 1.8V or 1.5V, for other chip uses.

Actually, I have some measurement data. DDR400 2-2-2-6 memory.
P4C800E-Deluxe. 2.8Ghz Northwood.

1 stick DRAM single channel - sitting idle in BIOS = 3.3V @ 8.1A
2 sticks DRAM single channel - sitting idle in BIOS = 3.3V @ 9.0A
2 sticks DRAM single channel - memtest86 = 3.3V @~10.5A
2 sticks DRAM dual channel - memtest86 = 3.3V @~11.6A
4 sticks DRAM dual channel - memtest86 (PAT on) = 3.3V @~14.4A
~ means approximate, as memtest current jumps around during
the reading and writing of blocks of data.

The 14.4 amps is spread over three connector pins. The pins
are rated for 6 amps each or 18 amps total. There would only
be a problem, if the currents were not shared fairly by the
three connector pins. Which has happened on a Tyan motherboard...

Paul
 
L

Larry Gagnon

On my P4C800E-Deluxe, Asus probe shows the +3.3V line at 3.04V and every few
minutes it drops to 2.96V, where it gives off some beeps. Then back up to
3.04V. then 3.008.
The 12V graph isn't straight over time but bumpy with dips. Vcore graph line
& +5V line are solid.
What does the +3.3V provide power for? I'am having big problems with this
board, like no drives detected in bios on the southbridge, including SATA.
I've got a new 500watt PSU coming in this week so I can test it out.

Jimbo

Jimbo: never trust software voltage and temperature readings. They are
notoriously unreliable. All you have to do is go back in history through
this newsgroup and see the variation people report between various
software monitor programs. The only true reading of voltages and voltage
variations are made with a digital VOM at the motherboard power
supply connector.

Larry Gagnon, A+ certified tech.
 
D

David H. Lipman

From: "jimbo" <[email protected]>

| On my P4C800E-Deluxe, Asus probe shows the +3.3V line at 3.04V and every few
| minutes it drops to 2.96V, where it gives off some beeps. Then back up to
| 3.04V. then 3.008.
| The 12V graph isn't straight over time but bumpy with dips. Vcore graph line
| & +5V line are solid.
| What does the +3.3V provide power for? I'am having big problems with this
| board, like no drives detected in bios on the southbridge, including SATA.
| I've got a new 500watt PSU coming in this week so I can test it out.
|
| Jimbo
|

If it is supposed to be 3.3v anf you get a nominal 3v. Then that is a 10% less than the
actual required volatge. If the volatage is 3.00v and drops to 2.96 and goes up to 3.04v
That +/- 1.3% deviation. That is good for a regulated DC voltage and could actually be a
AC ripple component. The real question is what are the voltages in both loaded and unloded
conditions. If it is supposed to provide 3.3v and unloded it is a steady 3.3v but under
load it drops to 3.0v with a +/- 1.3 varaiation, that may be out of spec.

The reason a voltmeter and the chip might show a differences would be due to the internal
impedance of the two different devices. The higher the impedance, the higher the accuracy
of the voltage reading device. The lower the impendance the less accurate it will be and
the ripple component may not show.
 
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Peacekeeper

From: "jimbo said:
| On my P4C800E-Deluxe, Asus probe shows the +3.3V line at 3.04V and every few
| minutes it drops to 2.96V, where it gives off some beeps. Then back up to
| 3.04V. then 3.008.
| The 12V graph isn't straight over time but bumpy with dips. Vcore graph line
| & +5V line are solid.
| What does the +3.3V provide power for? I'am having big problems with this
| board, like no drives detected in bios on the southbridge, including SATA.
| I've got a new 500watt PSU coming in this week so I can test it out.
|
| Jimbo
|
Jimbo out of interest what is the wattage and brand of your current supply?
Peace
 
J

jimbo

Peacekeeper said:
Jimbo out of interest what is the wattage and brand of your current
supply?
Peace
It's a Leadman Powmax Ultra 500Watt.
My new psu is due to arrive today.

Jimbo
 

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