Asus A7M266 mobo now dead?

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netsniper

I recently have been having a problem with my motherboard.
Either when in Windows/Linux, I would always get some sort of
corruption issues that caused my computer to
halt/fail/segfault/shutdown. Mainly this happened during
massively intensive CPU/Memory operations such as compiling
large volumes of source code. My first thought was the memory,
so I ran memtest86+ v1.20 on both sticks. The program only gave
me errors in the 100-300 range on test #5. All other tests
passes successfully. The program only shows the first few
errors on the screen, but it seems that the low memory portions
were afected (0.7 MB - ? MB). This lead me to believe that I
had encountered some sot of BIOS corruption issue. I first
started noticing this about 3 months ago when I installed
QuickTime 6 within windows xp, obtained from a non-verifiable
source.

It would seem that I may have encountered a BIOS virus/parasite,
but I had not heard of many people encountering them. I know
that they do exist, and in fact, are discussed in detail in a
security book written by Greg Hoglund. He talks about how to
change code within the BIOS to hijack computer operations. The
difficulty of this should be that all BIOS code/operation is
different from board to board. Every PC user may have some
differing type of chipset/hardware/mobo/bios, and thus the code
to acess these devices would be different. However, there must
be some general underlying operation that is the same throughout
ALL BIOS on PC x86 architectures in recent history. Thus, it
may be possible to write a UNIVERSAL BIOS parasite that can
hijack a computer, and worse yet, modify the internal code to
prevent a BIOS flash/update that would essentially kill the
parasite. I believe I may have encountered such a thing,
although I may be completely wrong.

I have been in the computer scene a while now, and have never
encountered a bad BIOS flash in the hundreds of times I have
done them. For the first time ever, yesterday my luck ran out.
I tried flashing my Asus A7M266 mobo using the standard Asus
windows based flash utility and the latest beta BIOS 1008.2b -
and this was the wrong move by far. It may just be that the win
flashing utility was bad, but nevertheless, I am left with a
dead board that powers up and does NOTHING! WHat happened
during the flash process was rather odd though. It first backed
up the old BIOS, then erased the chip, and attempted to flash
the new beta bios. The odd thing was that during the erasing of
the BIOS (the second step), the mouse and computer were very
slow to react to my actions. It only took about 15 seconds, but
I had never seen this before. I usually do DOS based flashes,
but this utility was recommended by Asus via their website.
When it got to the third step, it failed to flash the bios with
the new one. Thus, the chip had been erased and now nothing was
on it to boot the computer after I shut it down rather naively.
In the end, I hav a dead BIOS.

My question is, what can anyone recommened to get this thing
back up and running? This BIOS chip is an EON EN29F002N
distributed by Phoenix/Award. I have thought about building a
programmer to access it from my laptop, but this may be more
work than necessary. Asus offers a reflash service for only $5
+ shipping, or replacement for $25. I have heard that they take
weeks to get the chip back however :-( I need this issue
resolved ASAP as my laptop is not for home use really, so any
suggestions are greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone could
reprogram this for me or get me a new BIOS quickly for a
moderate fee - I WOULD GLADLY PAY IT!! Please let me hear your
input...

netsniper
 
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Yousuf Khan

netsniper said:
I recently have been having a problem with my motherboard.
Either when in Windows/Linux, I would always get some sort of
corruption issues that caused my computer to
halt/fail/segfault/shutdown. Mainly this happened during
massively intensive CPU/Memory operations such as compiling
large volumes of source code. My first thought was the memory,
so I ran memtest86+ v1.20 on both sticks. The program only gave
me errors in the 100-300 range on test #5. All other tests
passes successfully. The program only shows the first few
errors on the screen, but it seems that the low memory portions
were afected (0.7 MB - ? MB). This lead me to believe that I
had encountered some sot of BIOS corruption issue. I first
started noticing this about 3 months ago when I installed
QuickTime 6 within windows xp, obtained from a non-verifiable
source.

It would seem that I may have encountered a BIOS virus/parasite,
but I had not heard of many people encountering them.

Yeah, okay, ... let's stop right there. Okay, so you found that the memtest
*did* find some errors in the RAM, and therefore you are blaming your BIOS
for what reason? Because you believe your BIOS was infected with a virus?
I have been in the computer scene a while now, and have never
encountered a bad BIOS flash in the hundreds of times I have
done them. For the first time ever, yesterday my luck ran out.

Yes, it did. If you've updated your BIOSes hundreds of times before without
a problem, then you were indeed lucky. I encountered a problem probably on
my second BIOS update ever (on a friend's computer) and have been aware ever
since that updating a BIOS is russian roulette.

It doesn't matter if it's a DOS-based flash utility or a Windows-based one,
they are all dangerous. The chances of disaster are better than 50% IMO.
Even if it says it was successful, it often may not be, and you'll only find
out once you reboot.

That's why these days you get motherboards with dual-BIOSes, just in case a
BIOS flash upgrade goes bad, there will be a backup BIOS that you can fall
back on. This is directly as a result of so many flash upgrade failures in
the past.
My question is, what can anyone recommened to get this thing
back up and running? This BIOS chip is an EON EN29F002N
distributed by Phoenix/Award. I have thought about building a
programmer to access it from my laptop, but this may be more
work than necessary. Asus offers a reflash service for only $5
+ shipping, or replacement for $25. I have heard that they take
weeks to get the chip back however :-( I need this issue
resolved ASAP as my laptop is not for home use really, so any
suggestions are greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone could
reprogram this for me or get me a new BIOS quickly for a
moderate fee - I WOULD GLADLY PAY IT!! Please let me hear your
input...

If it's necessary that quickly, then just forget it and buy a new
motherboard. Athlon XP motherboards should be really cheap these days. I
picked up one with a VIA KT400 chipset for $80 Canadian a few months back.
Yes, I know it feels bad to be abandonning a motherboard that was otherwise
perfectly good until now, but if time is so important then that's what is
necessary.

Yousuf Khan
 
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Robert Redelmeier

netsniper said:
so I ran memtest86+ v1.20 on both sticks. The program

Rather old version. Chris is at 3.1 now.
only gave me errors in the 100-300 range on test #5.
All other tests passes successfully. The program only
shows the first few errors on the screen, but it seems
that the low memory portions were afected (0.7 MB - ? MB).

_Any_ errors are bad errors! Low memory is _worst_
because MS-DOS & it's BIOS flashers use this space.
I don't know what MS-WinXP does in this space.
a programmer to access it from my laptop, but this may be
more work than necessary. Asus offers a reflash service
for only $5 + shipping, or replacement for $25. I have
heard that they take weeks to get the chip back however :-(

Well, there are ways of recovering BIOS on the net.
Sometimes hotswapping is possible. Maybe you can
find someone local with a ROM programmer.

Some BIOS have protected boot blocks that will boot the
machine (sometimes blind) from floppy and reflash.

Otherwise, the ASUS offers sound very reasonable.

-- Robert
 

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