Asrock Users?

[BoB]

Anyone?

 

[John Tindle]

No Thanks.

 

[rstlne]

Anyone?
Wont be many..
What's the problem.. What's the board..

 

[BoB]

Wont be many..
What's the problem.. What's the board..

Newest, I ordered a non-serial 400fsb k7s8xe, newegg sent the + version,
50$, no problem now, getting the ide drivers optimized was a trick, my plex
708
is burning faster than on an asus intel or via chipset mobo. SiS must be
really
getting it together.

 

[David McDonald]

Enjoy it while it lasts, see you in a years time when the warrenty runs out.

David

 

[BoB]

Try collecting any warranty after a year, the only ones I have bothered with
are high dollar hard drives, mostly ibm's.
You think Asus is gonna replace a 180$ mobo after a year, good luck!
This asrock has been a lot less hassle than the a7v333r and p4c800e-del
to set up at a third the price,
"When moving onto the Best Socket A Board Cost/Performance Ratio 2003,
ASrock with 30.5% of votes, snuck past Abit on 30.3%. Abit looked to have
this Award with the little brother of the NF7-2, the non Sata NF7. At the
last hurdle, the ASrock K7S8X-E bounded ahead, relying on the SIS 748
Chipset and its' budget price to stick a nose in front at the camera.
Reliable, speedy, and a reasonable overclocker, this Mainboard has been a
solid release for ASrock, one of the best overall Mainboard companies of
2003 in my opinion. The ECS L7S7A2, an SIS 746 Chipset product , snared
third place way down the scales on 9.9% of Members Votes."

http://www.ocworkbench.com/2004/articles/readersaward2003-2.htm

and that was the model without serial raid!!!!!!!!!

 

[Philip Callan]

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BoB wrote:
| Try collecting any warranty after a year, the only ones I have
bothered with
| are high dollar hard drives, mostly ibm's.
| You think Asus is gonna replace a 180$ mobo after a year, good luck!
| This asrock has been a lot less hassle than the a7v333r and p4c800e-del
| to set up at a third the price,

Do not compare Asrock with ASUS quality, do not compare prices between a
~ low end asrock motherboard, to a top end (p4c800-e) asus, please
compare it to the class of boards it belongs in which is 'value' chipset
boards.

Why would I need to collect a warranty? I've yet to have a ASUS fail on
me (home machines) and whenever I've had a clients board go down, I
throw in the spare, and ship the other one off, end up with a free board
when RMA does come.

You are shipping these things overseas, and there are steps they have to
go through as well, you would be suprised how many boards are RMA'd
becuase 'IT DONT WORK WITH MY WINDOWS' and they have had something
mis-configured in the BIOS, or simply lacked the driver, both of which
is remedied by READING the manual.

And the ASROCK board has 1/3 less features than the a7v33r or
p4c800e-del, of course it will be more 'hassle' to setup, there is more
to get setup properly.

RTFM, no offense intended, because in ASUS's case is
'READ THE FANTASTIC MANUAL!'

| "When moving onto the Best Socket A Board Cost/Performance Ratio 2003,
| ASrock with 30.5% of votes, snuck past Abit on 30.3%.

And edged past? .2%? what 3 more people clicked on the web poll? you
have to take how many people they polled, and discount some for those
who voted each time they went to the page (for all vendors)

If you want to see true Cost/Performance and TCO figures, you would have
to subscribe to one of the larger trade magazines, and get more reliable
figures.

Philip
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[Philip Callan]

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BoB wrote:

| Newest, I ordered a non-serial 400fsb k7s8xe, newegg sent the + version,
| 50$, no problem now, getting the ide drivers optimized was a trick, my
plex
| 708 is burning faster than on an asus intel or via chipset mobo. SiS
must be
| really getting it together.
|

I seriously doubt that a 3rd party implementation of a 'compatible'
chipset, provides better performance than the native implementation by
the designers (Intel) I wont even touch the 'VIA' issue.

If it is giving you better performance in one area, be assured it is
skimping you in another, or has higher requirements (power wise) to give
you that performance.

Philip

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[BoB]

So now the SiS serial raid controller is a clone of intel designed
standards, BULLSHIT!
If I am not mistaken they were the first true, pure serial controller!

 

[BoB]

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BoB wrote:
| Try collecting any warranty after a year, the only ones I have
bothered with
| are high dollar hard drives, mostly ibm's.
| You think Asus is gonna replace a 180$ mobo after a year, good luck!
| This asrock has been a lot less hassle than the a7v333r and p4c800e-del
| to set up at a third the price,

Do not compare Asrock with ASUS quality, do not compare prices between a
~ low end asrock motherboard, to a top end (p4c800-e) asus, please
compare it to the class of boards it belongs in which is 'value' chipset
boards.

Why would I need to collect a warranty? I've yet to have a ASUS fail on
me (home machines) and whenever I've had a clients board go down, I
throw in the spare, and ship the other one off, end up with a free board
when RMA does come.

You are shipping these things overseas, and there are steps they have to
go through as well, you would be suprised how many boards are RMA'd
becuase 'IT DONT WORK WITH MY WINDOWS' and they have had something
mis-configured in the BIOS, or simply lacked the driver, both of which
is remedied by READING the manual.

And the ASROCK board has 1/3 less features than the a7v33r or
p4c800e-del, of course it will be more 'hassle' to setup, there is more
to get setup properly.

RTFM, no offense intended, because in ASUS's case is
'READ THE FANTASTIC MANUAL!'

| "When moving onto the Best Socket A Board Cost/Performance Ratio 2003,
| ASrock with 30.5% of votes, snuck past Abit on 30.3%.

And edged past? .2%? what 3 more people clicked on the web poll? you
have to take how many people they polled, and discount some for those
who voted each time they went to the page (for all vendors)

If you want to see true Cost/Performance and TCO figures, you would have
to subscribe to one of the larger trade magazines, and get more reliable
figures.

Philip
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I have seen the numbers of boards shipped, Asrock is getting a big push from
Asus, they are a subsidiary, and as for features I have built all three and
only
2-3 come to mind that would seem significant, but hardly necessary to the
vast majority of computer users. The bios is the big difference. It's
simple.
That Asus quality and name is what blew ECS out of the water with the
Asrock line. The P4c800E-del's bios is a nightmare, ours keeps wanting to
boot to a damn external hard drive if it's powered on, bios settings or not!

 

[Philip Callan]

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| That Asus quality and name is what blew ECS out of the water with the
| Asrock line. The P4c800E-del's bios is a nightmare, ours keeps wanting to
| boot to a damn external hard drive if it's powered on, bios settings
or not!


I use 1014, 0 problems, 4 months damn near 24/7 (well, shipped 1008,
upgraded to 1010 (heard 11 had problems), waited, went to 1014 after a
few weeks, 0 problems) try shifting back.
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[Philip Callan]

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BoB wrote:

| So now the SiS serial raid controller is a clone of intel designed
| standards, BULLSHIT!
| If I am not mistaken they were the first true, pure serial controller!

Sorry, should have been more clear:

was referring to the Serial ATA standard

"Industry leaders including Intel, Seagate, Maxtor, Dell, APT
Technologies designed Serial ATA. This group is known as the Serial ATA
working group and includes over 80 companies. This innovative interface
is designed to overcome the limitations of Parallel ATA and eventually
replace it.

Serial ATA offers consumers a new level of interface scalable
performance, flexibility, and cost efficiency. Industry leaders designed
Serial ATA with customer convenience in mind by ensuring 100% software
compatibility, flexible thin cables, hot plug connectors, and improved
data reliability and protection. "

But Intel was still the first to integrate the controller into the
southbridge, freeing up resources, and taking it out of the PCI-to-SATA
realm and into the 'NATIVE' SATA Raid dept.

sorry for the confusion
Philip
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[Paul]

I have seen the numbers of boards shipped, Asrock is getting a big push from
Asus, they are a subsidiary, and as for features I have built all three and
only
2-3 come to mind that would seem significant, but hardly necessary to the
vast majority of computer users. The bios is the big difference. It's
simple.
That Asus quality and name is what blew ECS out of the water with the
Asrock line. The P4c800E-del's bios is a nightmare, ours keeps wanting to
boot to a damn external hard drive if it's powered on, bios settings or not!

It is silly to come into an enthusiast group and ask whether they are
interested in motherboards with BIOS that have no customization
capabilities. I'm sure the Asrock boards are good for volume
deployments in business desktops, and as long as you figure out
what the recipe is to get it running well, you'll save your business
a lot of money.

For enthusiasts, they don't have time and a dozen identical motherboards,
to use to test what are the best mix of components, to get a working
system. A motherboard with adjustable Vcore, Vdimm, Vagp, and
memory timing, allows marginal combinations to be tuned up, and that is
what you are paying for. (It is not the material cost of those features,
it is the price the market will bear.)

As for the behavior of the BIOS on the P4C800 and other boards
like it, you can blame that on the AMI BIOS. I don't understand the
reasons for going with AMI, but it seems to be taking an inordinate
amount of time to beat the bugs out of the UI. You'd almost swear
that AMI was fixing the mistakes, instead of Asus. The Award BIOSes
seemed to be a lot less trouble.

After playing with a motherboard with a vanilla BIOS before Christmas,
it comes as a shock not to find any adjustments. Especially if you
buy CAS2 memory, and the BIOS sets it to CAS2.5, and there is nothing
you can do about it.

As for the arguments about chipsets designed by Intel, SIS, Via and
the like, the design part of the process is the easy part. Most
of design, in terms of manpower, is the verification effort that
goes into proving all the modules in a chip work properly. In the
case of Via, and perhaps Ali, I get the impression that they
didn't know how to do high speed testing at the factory, to weed
out marginal AGP interfaces, and that is one reason the chips suck.
Also, the practice of reusing modules, from one chipset into another,
is fine if the modules actually work properly, but it is a disaster
if the same bug is propagated from chipset to chipset. The
verification part is what makes or breaks a reputation, and once
people are soured on a chipset vendor, it is very hard to earn
that trust back. SIS may be better than they used to be, but
few people are willing to find out.

As for peripheral chips, I would avoid any companies product that
has just entered a new marketplace. Like a Via RAID chip for example.

When discussing SATA interfaces, the most risky part of the
implementation, is who manufactures the chips (TSMC, IBM, etc)
and do they have a working 1.5Gbs diff driver that works well enough
to drive data error free to the disk. The logic inside the chip is
probably considered trivial by the designers, whether they are at
Intel, or elsewhere.

Paul

 

[rstlne]

It is silly to come into an enthusiast group and ask whether they are

interested in motherboards with BIOS that have no customization
capabilities. I'm sure the Asrock boards are good for volume
deployments in business desktops, and as long as you figure out
what the recipe is to get it running well, you'll save your business
a lot of money.

Actually this is alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus IE: Just another
motherboard group..
Asrock is the Cheap line Asus boards so I would say that this probably was a
good place for him to start..

 

[rstlne]

sorry for the confusion
Philip

It's okay, We know that you have no effin clue as to what's going on

 

[Philip Callan]

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rstlne wrote:
|
| It's okay, We know that you have no effin clue as to what's going on
|
I think you should go back to watching wheel of fortune.


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[BoB]

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| That Asus quality and name is what blew ECS out of the water with the
| Asrock line. The P4c800E-del's bios is a nightmare, ours keeps wanting to
| boot to a damn external hard drive if it's powered on, bios settings
or not!


I use 1014, 0 problems, 4 months damn near 24/7 (well, shipped 1008,
upgraded to 1010 (heard 11 had problems), waited, went to 1014 after a
few weeks, 0 problems) try shifting back.
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Our's needs flashing, we bought refurb, from newegg over 6 months ago.
Of course my a7v333R(also refurb), went screwy several months after
the 018 beta bios and upgrade to a amd 2400+, it's posting fine with a
amd2100+.
Color me yellow, vbg!

 

[Wes Newell]

So now the SiS serial raid controller is a clone of intel designed
standards, BULLSHIT!
If I am not mistaken they were the first true, pure serial controller!

The best thing for you to do is ignore these morons and go somewhere where
people know what they're doing. I've had MB's from probably every
manufacturer there is at one time or another. There is no difference in
quality. The difference is the features(sometimes), the name, and the
money you pay for it. I just subscribed to this group a few minutes ago,
and this is my first and last post. I don't need any help, was just
looking. Now I'm dropping this group.