Are hard drives hermetically sealed?

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fenceerx

Are hard drives hermetically sealed?

Reason I ask is I use an air purifier that puts out neg. ions and ozone. And
ozone will corrode computer parts, make them brittle. Especially a rubber
drive belt in a CD or DVD player. I think most components are impervious
enough and computer will be obsolete before the part fails.

But I wonder about hard drives. No one wants to have one fail. So I don't
want the ambient air entering the vitals of the hard drive.



Many thanks
Fens
 
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Al Dykes

Are hard drives hermetically sealed?

Reason I ask is I use an air purifier that puts out neg. ions and ozone. And
ozone will corrode computer parts, make them brittle. Especially a rubber
drive belt in a CD or DVD player. I think most components are impervious
enough and computer will be obsolete before the part fails.

But I wonder about hard drives. No one wants to have one fail. So I don't
want the ambient air entering the vitals of the hard drive.



Many thanks
Fens


This was talked to death a couple of months ago in a usenet group,
either pc-hardware or storage related. Google will dig it all up.

The short answer is that disks have a single tiny hole with a
micron-level filter that serves to keep air pressure equilibrium
between the inside and the world. The net amount of air that gets thu
it is zero.

If the ozone level is high enough to rot rubber you're living
in a toxic zone;

" Ozone is highly injurious and lethal in experimental animals at
concentrations as low as a few parts per million (Stokinger
1957/Ex. 1-97) ........."

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pel88/10028-15.html
 
F

fenceerx

I shall check out the google archives. Many thanks. Ozone is a bit
different, killing the CD/DVD player drive belt over years of exposure and
maybe not at all.

Fens
 
T

Timothy Daniels

fenceerx said:
Are hard drives hermetically sealed?


Maxtor's ATA hard drives are not hermetically sealed.
I called Maxtor, and I talked the technical support
supervisor into contacting their engineering staff at
headquarters. An hour later I got this answer by
telephone call-back:

Maxtor's drives are not hermetically sealed.
They have access to ambient air via a filter.
The altitude restriction is 10,000 feet.
The reason is for cooling.


*TimDaniels*
 
D

dg

I wonder why they said it is for cooling? Not much, if any, air moves
through this filter.

--Dan
 
A

Al Dykes

I wonder why they said it is for cooling? Not much, if any, air moves
through this filter.

The altitude limit is common for lots of sophisticated electronic
equipment. Circulating air's ability to remove heat is a function of
density (ie altitude.)

Heat has to be disapated from the spinning disk. ISTR that at 10K rpm,
for instance, essentially all the wattage that goes into the motor
gets turned into heat via aerodynamic drag on the surface of the disk.
I've also heard that, for some disks, a certain amount of air density
is necessary to float the flying heads.

There is essentially zero airflow thru the filter. It just keeps the
pressure equal to the ambient.
 
T

Timothy Daniels

Al Dykes said:
The altitude limit is common for lots of sophisticated electronic
equipment. Circulating air's ability to remove heat is a function of
density (ie altitude.)

Heat has to be disapated from the spinning disk. ISTR that at 10K rpm,
for instance, essentially all the wattage that goes into the motor
gets turned into heat via aerodynamic drag on the surface of the disk.
I've also heard that, for some disks, a certain amount of air density
is necessary to float the flying heads.

There is essentially zero airflow thru the filter. It just keeps the
pressure equal to the ambient.


There is another reason for altitude restrictions, but they apply
for higher voltages such as those found in a switching power supply.
This has to do with arcing. When the air separating two electrical
potentials is dense, any ionization caused by cosmic rays will
quickly be quenched before the ionized gas particles can accelerate
to a speed (i.e. before they can attain a kinetic energy high enough)
to cause more ionization in an effect known as "avalanche discharge".
When the air gets rarified, though, this quenching effect diminishes,
and at some point of rarification, it is not enough to prevent
avalanching, and the electrical circuitry is effectively short-circuited.
This avalanching and hermetic seals to prevent it (along with cooling
requirements) are important engineering problems for designers of
electronic gear used in high-altitude airplanes and spacecraft. In the
case of a hard disk drive, there is the added requirement of air density
high enough to sustain separation of the flying read/write head above
the surface of the spinning platter. Which requirement - cooling or
head levitation - is really responsible for the 10,000 ft. requirement
may have been lost in the translation between Maxtor's engineering
staff and its technical support supervisor. The website for the
Keck observatory on Hawaii's 13,800 ft. high Mauna Kea does
mention that air pressure there is only 60% of that at sea level. An
interesting statement is this:

"A four-wheel-drive vehicle is required beyond the 9,200 foot
level as the air is too thin to adequately cool a vehicle's brakes
upon descent."

*TimDaniels*
 
P

Peter

I was looking into a project some time ago in which a hard drive was
required to operate at high atmospheric pressure and I was concerned
about how the aerodynamic design of the platter/head would be
affected. Low pressure at 10,000 feet would similarly upset the drive
if my concern was with any merit.

Does anyone have any knowledge in this issue?
 
T

Timothy Daniels

Peter said:
I was looking into a project some time ago in which a hard drive was
required to operate at high atmospheric pressure and I was concerned
about how the aerodynamic design of the platter/head would be
affected. Low pressure at 10,000 feet would similarly upset the drive
if my concern was with any merit.

Does anyone have any knowledge in this issue?

I just called the assistant administrator at the Keck Observatory
in Waimea, Hawaii. He says that they haven't had any problems
with PCs operating at the observatory at the summit (almost 14,000 ft).
On the other hand, the temperature at the observatory is considerably
lower than at sea level, and cooling problems may be compensated by
the effects of the lower temperatures. The administrator said that he
knew of no head crashes due to altitude in their PC hard drives.

*TimDaniels*
 
M

Michael Cecil

I shall check out the google archives. Many thanks. Ozone is a bit
different, killing the CD/DVD player drive belt over years of exposure and
maybe not at all.

DVD and CD players don't have anything as sloppy as rubber drive belts, do
they? I don't remember any on the ones I've taken apart.
 
J

J. Clarke

Peter said:
I was looking into a project some time ago in which a hard drive was
required to operate at high atmospheric pressure and I was concerned
about how the aerodynamic design of the platter/head would be
affected. Low pressure at 10,000 feet would similarly upset the drive
if my concern was with any merit.

Does anyone have any knowledge in this issue?

I don't have any specific information about the aerodynamic issue however
there are hermetically sealed drives available that are primarily used for
military applications. One of those may suit your purpose better than one
of the mass-market drives. Contact the manufacturers.
 
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Al Dykes

I was looking into a project some time ago in which a hard drive was
required to operate at high atmospheric pressure and I was concerned
about how the aerodynamic design of the platter/head would be
affected. Low pressure at 10,000 feet would similarly upset the drive
if my concern was with any merit.

Does anyone have any knowledge in this issue?

You might find that different models have different
max altitude specs. It's on the manufacturer's web site.

I'm guessing that 2.5 inch disks may have wider operating
regions since most of them go into portable consumer equipment.
 
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fenceerx

Michael Cecil said:
DVD and CD players don't have anything as sloppy as rubber drive belts, do
they? I don't remember any on the ones I've taken apart.



My fault for not being accurate. I had a DVD player that failed 3 years ago.
Took it apart and there was a drive belt for the eject mechanism.

Not a belt for driving the CD or DVD, making it spin.

Fens
 
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nuke

<< Not a belt for driving the CD or DVD, making it spin.

Fens >><BR><BR>


Some do, believe it or not.

Surprisingly, belt drives are not bad or sloppy for this job.
 

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