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Anyone know of a good FREE Defrag program for vista?
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David
auslogics.Martin said:Hi
Anyone know of a good FREE Defrag program for vista?
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Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]
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Martin said:Hi
Anyone know of a good FREE Defrag program for vista?
Google auslogics.
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ray
Hi
Anyone know of a good FREE Defrag program for vista?
When the subject has been brought up in the past and I've pointed out that
in the 21st century a modern filesystem should not need constant
defragging (as Linux and MAC don't) I'm assured by the experts that your
MS system does not need it either.
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occam
How so? Why does Vista have a defragger (a shitty one at that) if itray said:When the subject has been brought up in the past and I've pointed out that
in the 21st century a modern filesystem should not need constant
defragging (as Linux and MAC don't) I'm assured by the experts that your
MS system does not need it either.
"does not need it" ?
JKDefrag (open source) has my vote. It works with all NT OSs.
S
Steve Thackery
Anyone know of a good FREE Defrag program for vista?
The one that came in the box. You don't need any other, unless you are
particularly nerdish and like watching a meaningless array of coloured boxes
shuffling around.... <grin>
Seriously, the standard Vista one should be fine. There is no evidence
anywhere to suggest that you need anything more.
SteveT
The one that came in the box. You don't need any other, unless you are
particularly nerdish and like watching a meaningless array of coloured boxes
shuffling around.... <grin>
Seriously, the standard Vista one should be fine. There is no evidence
anywhere to suggest that you need anything more.
SteveT
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occam
How so? Why does Vista have a built in defragger (a shitty one at that)ray said:When the subject has been brought up in the past and I've pointed out that
in the 21st century a modern filesystem should not need constant
defragging (as Linux and MAC don't) I'm assured by the experts that your
MS system does not need it either.
if it "does not need it" ?
JKDefrag (open source) has my vote. It works with all NT OSs.
P
Paul Randall
Steve Thackery said:The one that came in the box. You don't need any other, unless you are
particularly nerdish and like watching a meaningless array of coloured
boxes shuffling around.... <grin>
Seriously, the standard Vista one should be fine. There is no evidence
anywhere to suggest that you need anything more.
If its a two-second job, I would agree. After two seconds, if it hasn't
indicated it is finished, then you could know it is time to get some help.
It is not typically a two-second job, and gives no indication of progress.
So you have no idea what might be a normal time the first time you run it or
when to get help. Lovely. Seems to me that progress indicators were
invented a long time ago for a reason, and they are only boring when you
know you don't need them. What do you think?
-Paul Randall
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David
When the subject has been brought up in the past and I've pointed out that
in the 21st century a modern filesystem should not need constant
defragging (as Linux and MAC don't) I'm assured by the experts that your
MS system does not need it either.
total BS.
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Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]
Also, try defragging through the Command Prompt:
Try doing it through the Command Prompt:
To use the command line defrag tool in Windows Vista, you have to run the
Command Prompt as an administrator. In Vista, this is not automatic even if
you are logged in as the administrator. Click the Windows button (previously
the Start button in earlier versions of Windows), the All Programs menu item
and the Accessories menu item. Right click the "Command Prompt" button and
select "Run as administrator". A command prompt window will appear.
Everything you run in this Window will be run with administrator rights.
1.. To view a file fragmentation analysis of (say) your C: drive, type:
defrag c: -a -v
The "-a" parameter tells the defragger to perform a fragmentation analysis.
The "-v" option tells it to be verbose in its report. If you want a report
on drive D: or some other drive, substitute that drive letter in place of
c:.
Be aware that defrag may tell you that you have no fragmented files even
if you have some. On NTFS partitions, the reporting function of defrag does
not consider fragmented files with fragments greater than 64 MB as
fragmented. If you need truly detailed information, you may have to consider
getting a third party defragmenter such as those listed on the Free
Defragmentation Utilities page on thefreecountry.com.
2.. To defragment a particular drive, say C:, type:
defrag c: -v -r
The "-r" option tells the defragmentation utility to treat files that are
fragmented with 64 MB fragments or larger as though they are not fragmented.
This partial defragmentation is the default for "defrag", and it's the only
way the GUI defragmenter in Vista works.
You can also force the defragmenter to defragment everything. That is,
even if the file fragments are larger than 64MB, the Vista defragmenter will
still attempt to put the file into contiguous sectors. To do this, run the
defragger with the following options:
defrag c: -v -w
As you have probably have guessed, "-w" tells the Vista defrag tool to do a
full defragmentation. All file fragments will be consolidated where
possible.
You will still not get any feedback as to the progress of the
defragmentation with the command line tool, just as you did not with the GUI
version. However, at the beginning and the end of the defragmentation,
"defrag" with the "-v" option will give a report, much like the old Windows
XP GUI defragmentation utility. Again, though, it will not report fragmented
files with 64 MB fragments (or larger) as being fragmented.
http://www.howtohaven.com/system/vistadefragmentation.shtml
Try doing it through the Command Prompt:
To use the command line defrag tool in Windows Vista, you have to run the
Command Prompt as an administrator. In Vista, this is not automatic even if
you are logged in as the administrator. Click the Windows button (previously
the Start button in earlier versions of Windows), the All Programs menu item
and the Accessories menu item. Right click the "Command Prompt" button and
select "Run as administrator". A command prompt window will appear.
Everything you run in this Window will be run with administrator rights.
1.. To view a file fragmentation analysis of (say) your C: drive, type:
defrag c: -a -v
The "-a" parameter tells the defragger to perform a fragmentation analysis.
The "-v" option tells it to be verbose in its report. If you want a report
on drive D: or some other drive, substitute that drive letter in place of
c:.
Be aware that defrag may tell you that you have no fragmented files even
if you have some. On NTFS partitions, the reporting function of defrag does
not consider fragmented files with fragments greater than 64 MB as
fragmented. If you need truly detailed information, you may have to consider
getting a third party defragmenter such as those listed on the Free
Defragmentation Utilities page on thefreecountry.com.
2.. To defragment a particular drive, say C:, type:
defrag c: -v -r
The "-r" option tells the defragmentation utility to treat files that are
fragmented with 64 MB fragments or larger as though they are not fragmented.
This partial defragmentation is the default for "defrag", and it's the only
way the GUI defragmenter in Vista works.
You can also force the defragmenter to defragment everything. That is,
even if the file fragments are larger than 64MB, the Vista defragmenter will
still attempt to put the file into contiguous sectors. To do this, run the
defragger with the following options:
defrag c: -v -w
As you have probably have guessed, "-w" tells the Vista defrag tool to do a
full defragmentation. All file fragments will be consolidated where
possible.
You will still not get any feedback as to the progress of the
defragmentation with the command line tool, just as you did not with the GUI
version. However, at the beginning and the end of the defragmentation,
"defrag" with the "-v" option will give a report, much like the old Windows
XP GUI defragmentation utility. Again, though, it will not report fragmented
files with 64 MB fragments (or larger) as being fragmented.
http://www.howtohaven.com/system/vistadefragmentation.shtml
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ray
How so? Why does Vista have a built in defragger (a shitty one at that)
if it "does not need it" ?
JKDefrag (open source) has my vote. It works with all NT OSs.
Goes to prove my point - this IS the 21st century - a properly designed
file system should not need regular defragmenting.
O
occam
ray said:When the subject has been brought up in the past and I've pointed out that
in the 21st century a modern filesystem should not need constant
defragging (as Linux and MAC don't) I'm assured by the experts that your
MS system does not need it either.
How so? Why does Vista have a built in defragger (an inferior one at
that) if it "does not need it" ?
JKDefrag (open source) has my vote. It works with all NT OSs.
D
dennis@home
occam said:How so? Why does Vista have a built in defragger (an inferior one at that)
if it "does not need it" ?
Unlike FAT NTFS will continue to work even if it isn't defraged just like
Linux and Mac.
Mac has a built in defrager that runs all the time.. just google for
hotfiles and you will find details of how it works.
All disk based file systems will run faster if you optimize the file layout
which is what defraggers do.
This is especially true if you fill the file system as that forces
fragmentation on all the above mentioned file systems.
(Which is why on some unix systems you can't fill them as some space is
always reserved to minimize fragmentation.)
JKDefrag (open source) has my vote. It works with all NT OSs.
The vista one works very well if you enable it and forget it.
It doesn't defrag all files but it doesn't need too.
All it does is optimize the fragments so that the system can access them
quicker.
It doesn't need to totally defrag them to do that.
S
Steve Thackery
If its a two-second job, I would agree. After two seconds, if it hasn't
Here's what I think: it runs automatically once a week in the background.
Why on earth would you want to run it manually?
OK, suppose you do want to run it manually (for the sake of the argument).
A progress indicator is only relevant if you have to wait for something to
complete. With Vista's defrag you don't - you set it going and carry on
with your other work.
Any other approach to defragging is making much more of a big deal of it
than it warrants. It's just a low-level, background, housekeeping task,
like many others that run in Vista (and Linux, and virtually every other
OS).
SteveT
indicated it is finished, then you could know it is time to get some help.
It is not typically a two-second job, and gives no indication of progress.
(snip)
What do you think?
Here's what I think: it runs automatically once a week in the background.
Why on earth would you want to run it manually?
OK, suppose you do want to run it manually (for the sake of the argument).
A progress indicator is only relevant if you have to wait for something to
complete. With Vista's defrag you don't - you set it going and carry on
with your other work.
Any other approach to defragging is making much more of a big deal of it
than it warrants. It's just a low-level, background, housekeeping task,
like many others that run in Vista (and Linux, and virtually every other
OS).
SteveT
M
Martin ©¿©¬
Thank you
Lots of useful utilities here
M
Martin ©¿©¬
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David
HOw about if you want defragging to be over and done within the next 30Steve said:Here's what I think: it runs automatically once a week in the
background. Why on earth would you want to run it manually?
OK, suppose you do want to run it manually (for the sake of the
argument). A progress indicator is only relevant if you have to wait
for something to complete. With Vista's defrag you don't - you set it
going and carry on with your other work.
Any other approach to defragging is making much more of a big deal of
it than it warrants. It's just a low-level, background, housekeeping
task, like many others that run in Vista (and Linux, and virtually
every other OS).
SteveT
minutes (or far less,depending on level of fragmentation and size of
drive), instead of 2-3 days (windows defrag is slower than molasses in
February). Go have a cup of coffee while a 3rd party defrag like
Auslogics works its magic, or (SHOCK!) continue to use the PC (what a
novel idea!) as Auslogics does its thing.
One less process to run in the background is a byproduct of switching to
an on-demand defragger.
Dave
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occam
Martin said:Thank you
It takes ages to defrag though?
Try JKDefrag, from http://www.kessels.com/JkDefrag/
Fast and thorough.
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NoStop
Martin said:Hi
Anyone know of a good FREE Defrag program for vista?
format C:\
Cheers.
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