Any chance of returning Vista for XP at Circuit City??

4

46erjoe

Bought a nice Gateway PC with Vista on it at Circuit City. I'm so
utterly lost with Vista I don't think I'll ever climb out of the hole
it put me in. Mostly the filing/folder system, locations, etc. I've
lost so much data I'm going crazy.

What I'd like to do is to take the Gateway back to Circuit City and
ask for a replacement equivalent unit with XP on it before the 30-day
satisfaction guaranteed promise is still valid. I'd of course have to
pull off whatever documents I've already created, but I'm just lost
with Vista.

Whatya think? Worth a try?
 
A

Alan

Hi,

If you're sure that you really don't want Vista -- and that you can get your
money back -- return the Vista machine.

If Circuit City claims they have no XP PCs left, Dell is now offering XP on
their machines again, plus I'm sure there are other brands that you can buy
that come with XP as its operating system.

Alan
 
R

Richard Urban

It is your decision. No one here can answer for Circuit City as to what
their response will be.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
O

Otto Normalverbraucher

Bought a nice Gateway PC with Vista on it at Circuit City. I'm so
utterly lost with Vista I don't think I'll ever climb out of the hole
it put me in. Mostly the filing/folder system, locations, etc. I've
lost so much data I'm going crazy.

What I'd like to do is to take the Gateway back to Circuit City and
ask for a replacement equivalent unit with XP on it before the 30-day
satisfaction guaranteed promise is still valid. I'd of course have to
pull off whatever documents I've already created, but I'm just lost
with Vista.

Whatya think? Worth a try?
Click to expand...

The filing & folder locations aren't that different to XP.
 
J

john

The filing & folder locations aren't that different to XP.
Click to expand...

They're not?? What about all these??:

XP>> = Windows XP Location
Vista>> = Windows Vista Location

===============================

XP>> \Documents and Settings
Vista>> \Users

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Documents

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Music
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Music

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Pictures
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Pictures

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Videos
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Videos

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Application Data
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Cookie
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\NetHood
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\PrintHood
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Recent
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\SendTo
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Start Menu
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Templates
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Application Data
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\History
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet
Files

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users
Vista>> \ProgramData

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data
Vista>> \ProgramData

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop
Vista>> \Users\Public\Desktop

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents
Vista>> \Users\Public\Documents

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Favorites
Vista>> \Users\Public\Favorites

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
Vista>> \ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Templates
Vista>> \ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Templates

XP>> \Documents and Settings\Default User
Vista>> \Users\Default

===============================

Why so many changes? Simple. This is by design.

All the changes, including widespread renaming of "default" folders and
apps, rearranging of menus with no rhyme or reason, and apparently for no
real purpose, confusing new graphic interface, are all necessary to make
Vista look sufficiently different from previous versions of Windows. This
only serves one purpose; to create the illusion that Vista is a new OS. Dig
deep enough and you can find dialogs and graphics leftover from Windows
3.11.
What is truly amazing is just how many people continue to fall for this old
and tired MS sales tactic.

Otherwise, people would see it for what it really is, just another XP
Service Pack, or as I prefer to call it, Windows 95 v4.0

Consider, no one will ever offer an explanation as to WHY all these
system-wide changes were implemented, much less needed. This is just another
example of how the Marketing Dept. is now the driving force at Microsoft.
 
A

Alias

Bought a nice Gateway PC with Vista on it at Circuit City. I'm so
utterly lost with Vista I don't think I'll ever climb out of the hole
it put me in. Mostly the filing/folder system, locations, etc. I've
lost so much data I'm going crazy.

What I'd like to do is to take the Gateway back to Circuit City and
ask for a replacement equivalent unit with XP on it before the 30-day
satisfaction guaranteed promise is still valid. I'd of course have to
pull off whatever documents I've already created, but I'm just lost
with Vista.

Whatya think? Worth a try?
Click to expand...

Be sure and go when there's a lot of people in the store and speak with
a loud voice so everyone can hear.

Alias
 
D

DP

Well, if they say they've got a 30-day period in which to return something,
that's gotta mean SOMETHING, right?
If you're dissatisfied with it, don't see why their satisfaction-guaranteed
promise wouldn't apply.
Do you have a copy of the policy? Have you reread it?

You might want to check, though, for the dreaded "restocking fee." They may
actually charge you something to take it back.
 
D

Dave Cox

They're not?? What about all these??:

XP>> = Windows XP Location
Vista>> = Windows Vista Location

===============================

XP>> \Documents and Settings
Vista>> \Users

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Documents

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Music
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Music

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Pictures
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Pictures

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Videos
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Videos

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Application Data
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Cookie
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\NetHood
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network
Shortcuts

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\PrintHood
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer
Shortcuts

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Recent
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\SendTo
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Start Menu
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Templates
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Application
Data Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\History
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files Vista>>
\Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet
Files

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users
Vista>> \ProgramData

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data
Vista>> \ProgramData

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop
Vista>> \Users\Public\Desktop

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents
Vista>> \Users\Public\Documents

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Favorites
Vista>> \Users\Public\Favorites

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
Vista>> \ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Templates
Vista>> \ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Templates

XP>> \Documents and Settings\Default User
Vista>> \Users\Default

===============================
Click to expand...


Folder/File structure is still exactly the same, just organized
differently. Personally I prefer the way it is in Vista.

Does it really matter if you have to go to a Documents folder to get
to a user, or a User Folder to get to a document?

I 'd rather go to a User folder to get to a document myself.

As stated before with indexing you really don't need to use explorer
anymore anyways to find a file. just type it in the search box.
Granted there are certain situation where you need to use Explorer
but on the most part you dont need to anymore.
 
J

John Barnes

Agreed. When I returned on many years ago, they had a 15% restocking fee if
you couldn't find something else to replace it with at a higher price. Even
then it was a hassle.
 
F

Frank

john said:
They're not?? What about all these??:

XP>> = Windows XP Location
Vista>> = Windows Vista Location

===============================

XP>> \Documents and Settings
Vista>> \Users

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Documents

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Music
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Music

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Pictures
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Pictures

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\My Documents\My Videos
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\Videos

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Application Data
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Cookie
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\NetHood
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Network Shortcuts

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\PrintHood
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Printer Shortcuts

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Recent
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Recent

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\SendTo
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Start Menu
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Templates
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Templates

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Application Data
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\History
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\History

XP>> \Documents and Settings\$USER$\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
Vista>> \Users\$USER$\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet
Files

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users
Vista>> \ProgramData

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data
Vista>> \ProgramData

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Desktop
Vista>> \Users\Public\Desktop

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents
Vista>> \Users\Public\Documents

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Favorites
Vista>> \Users\Public\Favorites

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu
Vista>> \ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

XP>> \Documents and Settings\All Users\Templates
Vista>> \ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Templates

XP>> \Documents and Settings\Default User
Vista>> \Users\Default

===============================

Why so many changes? Simple. This is by design.

All the changes, including widespread renaming of "default" folders and
apps, rearranging of menus with no rhyme or reason, and apparently for no
real purpose, confusing new graphic interface, are all necessary to make
Vista look sufficiently different from previous versions of Windows. This
only serves one purpose; to create the illusion that Vista is a new OS. Dig
deep enough and you can find dialogs and graphics leftover from Windows
3.11.
What is truly amazing is just how many people continue to fall for this old
and tired MS sales tactic.

Otherwise, people would see it for what it really is, just another XP
Service Pack, or as I prefer to call it, Windows 95 v4.0

Consider, no one will ever offer an explanation as to WHY all these
system-wide changes were implemented, much less needed. This is just another
example of how the Marketing Dept. is now the driving force at Microsoft.
Click to expand...


It's apparent that you're easily confused and have no real understanding
of Windows, MS or Vista or even computers.
Don't you think it's about time for you to switch to something more
er...childishly designed like Ubuttoo.
I hear that flipping that cubie thing is not very challenging at all and
really fun!
(smirk, snort, belch)
Frank
 
R

R. McCarty

You may not have much recourse with Circuit City - However,
you are entitled to run/use a previous Operating System in place
of Vista. ( Part of the licensing of Microsoft Operating Systems ).
I would pick up the phone and call Gateway. Returning the whole
PC just to rid yourself of Vista is a little extreme but it may be the
only practical way to get new hardware with XP pre-installed.
 
J

John Barnes

A previously owned operating system, as with an upgrade. They do not
provide an earlier operating system which was never owned and licensed.
 
F

Frank

Bought a nice Gateway PC with Vista on it at Circuit City. I'm so
utterly lost with Vista I don't think I'll ever climb out of the hole
it put me in. Mostly the filing/folder system, locations, etc. I've
lost so much data I'm going crazy.

What I'd like to do is to take the Gateway back to Circuit City and
ask for a replacement equivalent unit with XP on it before the 30-day
satisfaction guaranteed promise is still valid. I'd of course have to
pull off whatever documents I've already created, but I'm just lost
with Vista.

Whatya think? Worth a try?
Click to expand...

I seriously doubt you've permanently lost (as in deleted) any data.
You just don't know where to find it.
This is actually the one biggest complaint about Vista...that is it has
changed the location of various folders and some users (like yourself)
have become very frustrated.
I feel your pain but giving up is not the solution because Vista ain't
going away. It is the future and once you become accustomed to it, all
will be ok.
Try solving your problems one at a time and before you know it they'll
all be solved.

And try and use this ng for real help...like posting one problem,
getting help to solve it, then post another. And don't listen to the
airhead losers in this ng. They've already given up and are even more
frustrated than you are.
It will work if you work it.
Frank
 
O

Otto Normalverbraucher

john said:
They're not?? What about all these??:
Click to expand...

No they're not.
Apply a little common sense & it's real easy to locate where things have
moved to.
As to "losing" data. lol.
 
J

John Barnes

The end user has no rights, the retailer has no rights, but can approach the
system builder in limited circumstances for downgrades. You are correct on
that and a few system builders have gone back for replacements. Most won't
as can be seen by the posts here. Hope the OP has the correct version,
cooperative retailer and system builder and I don't have oem to see what the
terms are anyway. Do you know that they include downgrade to XP or as
Microsoft has indicated only to lower versions of the same OS. IE XP Pro to
Home, not Win98 or WinME.
 
C

Charlie Wilkes

And try and use this ng for real help...like posting one problem,
getting help to solve it, then post another. And don't listen to the
airhead losers in this ng. They've already given up and are even more
frustrated than you are.
It will work if you work it.
Frank
Click to expand...

You know what they say about denial, Frank? It's de longest river in de
world.

Your beloved Vista operating system is rapidly acquiring a reputation as
a bloated, unwieldy, suck-ass piece of shit.

Charlie
 
C

Charlie Wilkes

What I'd like to do is to take the Gateway back to Circuit City and ask
for a replacement equivalent unit with XP on it before the 30-day
satisfaction guaranteed promise is still valid. I'd of course have to
pull off whatever documents I've already created, but I'm just lost with
Vista.
Click to expand...
I'd say contact Gateway directly and tell them what you think of Vista,
and ask them what they can do to solve your problem. Millions of Vista
customers are thoroughly dissatisfied and disgusted, and it's important
for OEMs like Gateway to hear their comments. Enough people have
contacted Dell that they have gone back to selling systems with XP
instead of Vista.

You might also want to consider Linux, which has improved by leaps and
bounds over the past couple of years. After about 15 years as a
Microsoft customer, I have made the switch to Linux and I doubt if I'll
be going back. Linux might be a good choice for you, too, if you are not
too wedded to specific Windows applications.

Good luck.

Charlie
 
F

Frank

Charlie Wilkes wrote:

Millions of Vista
customers are thoroughly dissatisfied and disgusted, a
Click to expand...

Really? You've counted each and every one of the "thoroughly
dissatisfied and disgusted" and it adds up to millions?
I don't thinks so. Not even close
You might also want to consider Linux, which has improved by leaps and
bounds over the past couple of years. After about 15 years as a
Microsoft customer, I have made the switch to Linux and I doubt if I'll
be going back. Linux might be a good choice for you, too, if you are not
too wedded to specific Windows applications.
Click to expand...

Oh, now I get it. You're another roaming linux loser troll from trash dot.
If you want to be of any real help, scoop your trollin ass back over to
the linux forums and help all of the millions and millions of thoroughly
dissatisfied and disgusted linux loser users over there.
Good riddance!
Frank
 
R

Richard Urban

Million's of dissatisfied users? You are blowing smoke out of your rear
orifice.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 

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