AntiVir update website?

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ms

AntiVir 6

I haven't gotten an AV update in awhile, tried through AntiVir, can't.

Went to the website, totally different. The company name has changed to Avira.
AntiVir is not obvious there.

What is the URL for direct download of the latest update to Ver. 6?

Thanks,

Mike Sa
 
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I haven't gotten an AV update in awhile, tried through AntiVir, can't.

I think you have to upgrade to the latest version 7!

Marco
 
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ms

Marco said:
I think you have to upgrade to the latest version 7!

Marco

No, in a recent thread, because of ver. 7 problems, the website was again allowing
updatss to ver. 6.

Mike Sa
 
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omega

No, in a recent thread, because of ver. 7 problems, the website was again allowing
updatss to ver. 6.

Don't know if you already dug up the following, but here it is in case (also
for others that aren't ready to leap the cliff over to the new Beta 7).

http://dl.antivir.de/down/vdf/fusebundle_en.zip

DIR
antivir.vdf 2006-03-18 19:00 6,305,280
avewin32.dl 2006-03-07 12:51 1,012,224
avguard.vxd 2006-03-07 12:51 569,367
avrep.dll 2006-03-18 18:59 1,712,168
readme.txt 2005-12-02 11:10 1,863
SETUP.FU0 2006-03-18 19:00 1,310

I copied these files (doing an overwrite) into my AntiVir directory.

Don't know if it will happen to you, but first I got an error. AntiVir
complained about my hbdev.key being too old, then abruptly shut itself down.
My hbdev.key, btw, has date 2005-03-16. So next I copied the hbdev.key from
my installation of ver 7 into the ver 6 directory.

All seems to work fine now, for running ver6, and having manual access for
getting updates of antivir.vdf.

I'm not going to speculate how long they'll provide this, of course. They
are pushing their ver7 pretty hard.

.. . . .

Incidentally, first times I tried to run their Beta 7 on this older notebook,
it kept immediately crashing and creating a fault in my video driver. Judging
by the forums, this is a somewhat common problem, at least for users of older
computers.

My fix was to change to 24bit instead of 16bit video settings, prior to
launch of AntiVir. This is workable for me, since I only use it as a manual
scanner. I call it up from a batch file that contains a command* to change
my video setting prior to launching it, then changes it back after AntiVir
has exited.


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* My command for change of video settings, I'm using this prog:

Display View and modify display settings from the command line
(resolution, frequency, bit depth)

http://www.mirkes.de/en/freeware/batch.php
 
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David

Incidentally, first times I tried to run their Beta 7 on this older notebook,
it kept immediately crashing and creating a fault in my video driver. Judging
by the forums, this is a somewhat common problem, at least for users of older
computers.

My fix was to change to 24bit instead of 16bit video settings, prior to
launch of AntiVir. This is workable for me, since I only use it as a manual
scanner. I call it up from a batch file that contains a command* to change
my video setting prior to launching it, then changes it back after AntiVir
has exited.
Surely this is unforgivable behaviour from any program. In my opinion
any program should detect the existing resolution and colour depth and
adjust itself accordingly. You should not have to change your settings
at all. If the program requires more colours then IT should adjust
your settings and change them back when it exits.
 
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omega

David said:
Surely this is unforgivable behaviour from any program. In my opinion
any program should detect the existing resolution and colour depth and
adjust itself accordingly. You should not have to change your settings
at all. If the program requires more colours then IT should adjust
your settings and change them back when it exits.

You know, it feels ridiculous to me than an av prog weould be designed
in the first place to need millions of colors. A setting of 16bit, thousands
of colors, should be more than adequate for a system protection utility.
(Btw, 16bit my preferred setting for notebook, conserve battery power, etc).

Heck, tor an AV scanner, I'd be perfectly content with straight black &
white. Plus maybe red for alerts.

Type of program might want millions of colors? Well, I expect maybe some
of the fancy 3d games. And if say Photoshop expected it, that'd be fair
to me, since if you're actually getting into graphics design, as end user,
you'll want to be on a system that delivers higher scale in that area.
Finally, if MSO 2003 demanded 24bit, then that'd be expected, given the
demanding personality of products from Redmond.

But that kind of high demand from an AV scanner? Huh?

I'm going to try to hope this is all a matter of beta, and that they will
get the final product to behave a bit better.

Though, in meantime, I note the design has changed changed for the the
worse in various other aspects, compared to the ver 6.

o Increased system resources (the 9x gdi etc) stuff. Still lighter than
its competition; but I noticed that where the ver6 had a very impressive
lightness of only a 2-3% drop in sys resources during a manual scan, the
ver 7 sucks up some 4x that much.

o Two different application windows opened for the manual scan in this
new version. And there are weird little things, example: avgctrl.exe,
if it is launched, it does not offer any exit command, and you have to
kill it via external means. (Turns out it is only a tray thingy, so I
learnt to avoid launching it.)

o One thing I really liked about ver6 is that you could set it up, as
manual scanner, to run completely green. All a local ini, choose your
directories, and no registry entries required. The new one can no longer
be config'd green. It requires registry entries. (Tho' I am relieved on
one thing, a worry I had when first setting it up: it turns out that the
dumping of files into %appdata% directory, that at least turns out to be
optional, user given choice there.)

But back to the important isssue. The incompatibility with video cards
and video settings (and maybe other hardware needs too?) -- the higher
demands of version 7. It is very unfortunate to witness such a design
change coming from AntiVir, since this produc had always been highly
acclaimed for was how good it was for compatibilty and gentleness on
older machines.

http://forum.antivir-pe.de/thread.php?threadid=1681&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=2

: there is a known problem between Avir 7 and older drivers for older
: sound- and graphics-Cards(f.e. vodoo3-Cards and so on). The problem was
: also reported for drivers which have the WHQL-Logo.
:
: Users which have an older Equipment and drivers from perhaps the year
: 2000 should not install the Version 7 of Avir till this issue is fixed
: (or newer drivers can be installed).
: Use instead Version 6 of AVir and update only the vdf-files. Avir6 can
: work also with the newest vdf-files.
:
: Michael_Mann
: Moderator

As mentioned, I got a workaround by the temp setting for 24 bit. However,
I'm guessing that the majority of AntiVir users prefer to have the program
run as a resident scanner. So if they have circa ~2000 machines? Some users
won't have the incentive to do the tracking down manual updates for ver6.
That which I expect to not be offered for too long in any case.

I wonder if AntiVir will devote R&D towards achieving better compatibilty
with older machines in their new ver7 (and to fix that absurd 24bit req),
or will they just decide such users are SOL?

Or, maybe their R&D time is all used up with focus on their new practice of
putting "buy now" popups in the faces of their user base. That which is in
fact the most disappointing news of all the rest, concerning the direction
AntiVir is taking. I'd been a serious fan of this product for years, loved
it, so am none too happy if they go breaking my heart like this.
 
M

ms

omega said:
You know, it feels ridiculous to me than an av prog weould be designed
in the first place to need millions of colors. A setting of 16bit, thousands
of colors, should be more than adequate for a system protection utility.
(Btw, 16bit my preferred setting for notebook, conserve battery power, etc).

Heck, tor an AV scanner, I'd be perfectly content with straight black &
white. Plus maybe red for alerts.
That rules out AntiVir in the future for my old P166, just for general speed, I have
to limit to 256 colors, Ver. 6 ran fine.

Mike Sa
 
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omega

ms said:
That rules out AntiVir in the future for my old P166, just for general speed, I have
to limit to 256 colors, Ver. 6 ran fine.

When AntiVir does abandon us and stop updated definitions for ver 6, at
least there will still be the alternative option: the steadfast FProt DOS.

Except, didn't you run into some problem with FProt (something to do an
error in the memory it accessed, some technical bug situation? I'd not
followed details)? Did it ever get resolved/fixed?

Btw, speaking of DOS scanners. That was another change in AntiVir ver 7
from the ver 6. The new one no longer supports DOS. It has a commandline
module, but win32 only -- no longer one supporting actual DOS mode (for
eg booting from emergency floppy, etc).

Not that I've ever had habit of using AntiVir's commandline scanner.
In the freeware version, it is crippled, in that it does not scan
recursively. I'd thought about experimenting with how things would come
out if using it from batch file, with ForInDo / Sweep type command
to overcome the single directory limit. But not got around to it, not
found out whether there would result messiness with prompts, or multiple
logs, etc.
 
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omega

ms said:
omega wrote:
[Antivir ver 6 updates. VDF definition file + updated DLLs:]
Thanks, Karen. Late reply as this was while I was off the net.

A related alternative download for v6's definition updates is this one:
http://www.avup.de/updates/personal/vdf/antivir.vdf

That said, I'm thinking it is the fusebundle_en.zip which would be more
useful between the two. Its included DLLs, even when redundant with earlier
download, they are not too big, relatively. And my impression is that the
v6 DLLs are currently (for now) getting updated fairly often.
 
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ms

omega said:
ms said:
omega wrote:

[Antivir ver 6 updates. VDF definition file + updated DLLs:]
Thanks, Karen. Late reply as this was while I was off the net.


A related alternative download for v6's definition updates is this one:
http://www.avup.de/updates/personal/vdf/antivir.vdf

That said, I'm thinking it is the fusebundle_en.zip which would be more
useful between the two. Its included DLLs, even when redundant with earlier
download, they are not too big, relatively. And my impression is that the
v6 DLLs are currently (for now) getting updated fairly often.
Thanks, Karen.

That will help update my V6 for the old computer, but I will try Avast on my new
computer, have seen good comments about it.

I gave up on F-Prot when it labeled several normal files virus and stopped scanning
there. The author said that was difficult to fix, I moved on.

Mike Sa
 

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