An example Firefox deficiency

[RipVanWinkle]

I originally posted "Firefox not ready for primetime" and there were a lot
of responses. One post asked for specific examples of sites that did not
work properly. Here is one, for the Hotel Colon in Barcelona.
http://www.hotelcolon.es/index1.trx?Ar=OpcsCol&Opc=1&idioma=2

Notice the menu bar on the left frame. It should be in English, not
Spanish. In IE it is correctly displayed in English but in Firefox it's
stuck in Spanish. When I originally viewed this website I gave up figuring
the people who wrote the HTM code for the page made the error. But then I
came across too many other sites that evening that were also not right. By
accident, I opened IE and lo and behold, all the sites that had not worked
in Firefox worked in IE. I spent a lot of time searching for hotels and
dismissing important web sites that day because their pages were unreadable.
And it was not the hotels fault, it was Firefox.

So, I will use Firefox for websites that I know will work with it but when
surfing, Firefox is clearly not ready for prime time.

Rip NYC

 

[PB]

Notice the menu bar on the left frame. It should be in English, not
Spanish. In IE it is correctly displayed in English but in Firefox
it's stuck in Spanish. [...] it was not the hotels fault, it was Firefox.

It's the WEBMASTER'S fault for not conforming to WC3 standards. They
wrote that site to work correctly in IE only, hence why it fails in FF.

To blame Firefox is like saying a big car is not ready for primetime
because it can't fit in a small parking space. Get it through your head.

 

[colinco]

It's the WEBMASTER'S fault for not conforming to WC3 standards. They
wrote that site to work correctly in IE only, hence why it fails in FF.

To blame Firefox is like saying a big car is not ready for primetime
because it can't fit in a small parking space. Get it through your head.
[/QUOTE]
Standards are fine for OUTPUT but sometimes it doesn't hurt to be
tolerant of INPUT. There's probably more badly written web sites than
Firefox users.

 

[Harvey Van Sickle]

On 04 Aug 2004, colinco wrote

It's the WEBMASTER'S fault for not conforming to WC3 standards.
They wrote that site to work correctly in IE only, hence why it
fails in FF.

To blame Firefox is like saying a big car is not ready for
primetime because it can't fit in a small parking space. Get it
through your head.

Standards are fine for OUTPUT but sometimes it doesn't hurt to be
tolerant of INPUT. There's probably more badly written web sites
than Firefox users.[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree; but FWIW, I've been using Firefox for a goodly number
of months now, and have come across only 1 or 2 that are truly IE-
dependent.

(One of these few-and-far-between examples is an official UK government
agency site -- www.english-heritage.org.uk. If you don't identify as
IE, it slams you into their text-only "accessible" pages; if you spoof
as IE you get in, but the site is broken. I've sent them a complaint
about it, but didn't even get an acknowledgement.)

 

[Ionizer]

I originally posted "Firefox not ready for primetime" and there were a lot
of responses. One post asked for specific examples of sites that did not
work properly. Here is one, for the Hotel Colon in Barcelona.
http://www.hotelcolon.es/index1.trx?Ar=OpcsCol&Opc=1&idioma=2

The Hotel COLON? A popular vacation destination for proctologists, I'm
sure. By the way I used to be a proctologist, but I'm a nail-biter so I
had to retire early.

 

[REM]

"RipVanWinkle" <[email protected]> wrote:

I originally posted "Firefox not ready for primetime" and there were a lot
of responses. One post asked for specific examples of sites that did not
work properly. Here is one, for the Hotel Colon in Barcelona.
http://www.hotelcolon.es/index1.trx?Ar=OpcsCol&Opc=1&idioma=2

Notice the menu bar on the left frame. It should be in English, not
Spanish. In IE it is correctly displayed in English but in Firefox it's

Frames are not W3C compliant and are beiing phased out iinm.

The english (it does show correctly using Avant) page is not well written html
at all. I viewed the source from the right frame, saved it, andran it through a
validator:

"Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on lines 4, 47-48 it
contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words,
the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding).
Please check both the content of the file and the character encoding
indication."

This whole page is missing the proper heading. It should be similar to (this is
an xhtml heading:

"<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">

<head>"

The Hotel html page simply begins with:

" <head>"

As to why IE can correctly render it, I can't say. I think IE might assume
English as a default if it it not stated in the header.I think that you will
find that Firefox can render correctly formatted and written html though.


Here is a good validator should you want to play with it. Note that you cannot
list an external page with frames though, like the URL you list above. You must
run the individual frame html through the validator.

http://validator.w3.org/

Both Netscape and Ie started running wild with what was allowable in html and
the possibilites were endless. The link above is the correct way to check
documents for being correct in 'standardized' html, or xhtml/css.

stuck in Spanish. When I originally viewed this website I gave up figuring
the people who wrote the HTM code for the page made the error. But then I
came across too many other sites that evening that were also not right. By
accident, I opened IE and lo and behold, all the sites that had not worked
in Firefox worked in IE. I spent a lot of time searching for hotels and
dismissing important web sites that day because their pages were unreadable.
And it was not the hotels fault, it was Firefox.

So, I will use Firefox for websites that I know will work with it but when
surfing, Firefox is clearly not ready for prime time.

With so many people writing html it's a given that you will find incorrectly
written pages. If that page was in a language other than English I'll bet IE
would have choked too.

 

[scroob]

Frames are not W3C compliant and are beiing phased out iinm.

Thank the Lord. I've hated this stupid idea ever since it came out. Take
away 1/3 of my precious screen space with a stupid sidebar. In my book,
frames rank right up there with <BLINK>. Eye candy for the ignorant. Who
the hell needs frames when links can be at both the top and bottom of pages
and can be gotten to by a simple <CTRL UP> or <CTRL DN>?

 

[Conor]

I originally posted "Firefox not ready for primetime" and there were a lot
of responses. One post asked for specific examples of sites that did not
work properly. Here is one, for the Hotel Colon in Barcelona.
http://www.hotelcolon.es/index1.trx?Ar=OpcsCol&Opc=1&idioma=2

Notice the menu bar on the left frame. It should be in English, not
Spanish. In IE it is correctly displayed in English but in Firefox it's
stuck in Spanish. When I originally viewed this website I gave up figuring
the people who wrote the HTM code for the page made the error. But then I
came across too many other sites that evening that were also not right. By
accident, I opened IE and lo and behold, all the sites that had not worked
in Firefox worked in IE. I spent a lot of time searching for hotels and
dismissing important web sites that day because their pages were unreadable.
And it was not the hotels fault, it was Firefox.

Firefox is not broken. The websites do not conform to the WWW standards
therefore it is the websites that are broken.

 

[bambam]

I originally posted "Firefox not ready for primetime" and there
were a lot of responses. One post asked for specific examples of
sites that did not work properly. Here is one, for the Hotel
Colon in Barcelona.
http://www.hotelcolon.es/index1.trx?Ar=OpcsCol&Opc=1&idioma=2

Notice the menu bar on the left frame. It should be in English,
not Spanish.

Yup, I see this also with Firefox.

In IE it is correctly displayed in English but in
Firefox it's stuck in Spanish.

No, I don't see this at all.
I fired up IE ver 6.0.2800.1106 and the page is identical to the page
displayed in Firefox ver 0.9.1 except that the background of the
spinning email symbol is blue in Firefox and red in IE.

So, I will use Firefox for websites that I know will work with it
but when surfing, Firefox is clearly not ready for prime time.

Try harder.

 

[REM]

Thank the Lord. I've hated this stupid idea ever since it came out. Take
away 1/3 of my precious screen space with a stupid sidebar. In my book,
frames rank right up there with <BLINK>. Eye candy for the ignorant. Who
the hell needs frames when links can be at both the top and bottom of pages
and can be gotten to by a simple <CTRL UP> or <CTRL DN>?

I couldn't agree more! The sites that use frames, in frames, in frames, leaving
a keyhole to peek in are really bad. I want to see the content, not a bunch of
frames.

 

[Mike Echo]

The Hotel COLON? A popular vacation destination for proctologists, I'm
sure. By the way I used to be a proctologist, but I'm a nail-biter so I
had to retire early.

ROFLMFAO!

 

[georgepds12]

Firefox is not broken. The websites do not conform to the WWW standards
therefore it is the websites that are broken.

On the security sites, some fellow would always bring up the site of
an on line compliance checker to see if there were "holes" in the
website under question. I've lost track of the site

Anyone here recall the named of the site that checks websites for
conformance? (FWIIW, it is on line free ware)

 

[dadiOH]

REM wrote:

With so many people writing html it's a given that you will find
incorrectly written pages.

So true. Give's one pause when one realizes the same thing is true with
programs...

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[Susan Bugher]

georgepds12 wrote:

Anyone here recall the named of the site that checks websites for
conformance? (FWIIW, it is on line free ware)

http://validator.w3.org/

it's listed on the Webware page:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Webware.php

Susan

 

[dszady]

On the security sites, some fellow would always bring up the site of
an on line compliance checker to see if there were "holes" in the
website under question. I've lost track of the site

Anyone here recall the named of the site that checks websites for
conformance? (FWIIW, it is on line free ware)

If you run it through W3C Validation it doesn't pass.
<quote>
No Character Encoding Found! Falling back to UTF-8.

I was not able to extract a character encoding labeling from any of the
valid sources for such information. Without encoding information it is
impossible to reliably validate the document. I'm falling back to the
"UTF-8" encoding and will attempt to perform the validation, but this is
likely to fail for all non-trivial documents.

So what should I do? Tell me more...

Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on lines 4, 47-48 it
contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other
words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character
Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character
encoding indication. </quote>

 

[John]

I originally posted "Firefox not ready for primetime" and there were a lot
of responses. One post asked for specific examples of sites that did not
work properly. Here is one, for the Hotel Colon in Barcelona.
http://www.hotelcolon.es/index1.trx?Ar=OpcsCol&Opc=1&idioma=2

Notice the menu bar on the left frame. It should be in English, not
Spanish. In IE it is correctly displayed in English but in Firefox it's
stuck in Spanish. When I originally viewed this website I gave up figuring
the people who wrote the HTM code for the page made the error. But then I
came across too many other sites that evening that were also not right. By
accident, I opened IE and lo and behold, all the sites that had not worked
in Firefox worked in IE. I spent a lot of time searching for hotels and
dismissing important web sites that day because their pages were unreadable.
And it was not the hotels fault, it was Firefox.

So, I will use Firefox for websites that I know will work with it but when
surfing, Firefox is clearly not ready for prime time.

Rip NYC

Maybe this way .

How to have Firefox pass itself off as IE?
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=109077

 

[splattershot]

Here is one, for the Hotel Colon in Barcelona.
http://www.hotelcolon.es/index1.trx?Ar=OpcsCol&Opc=1&idioma=2

Notice the menu bar on the left frame. It should be in English, not
Spanish. In IE it is correctly displayed in English but in Firefox it's
stuck in Spanish....

That's the page coder's fault, not Firefox.

The Flash is encoded into the page with two separate tags, OBJECT
(which IE recognizes) and EMBED (which Moz-based browsers recognize).

Look at the Flash source URL for each tag -- they're different. The
OBJECT source is "flash/MenuIngles.swf" and the EMBED source is
"flash/Menu.swf". Firefox displays a Spanish menu because that's what
it's being *told* to display... by the page author.

 

[Christopher Jahn]

I originally posted "Firefox not ready for primetime" and
there were a lot of responses. One post asked for specific
examples of sites that did not work properly. Here is one,
for the Hotel Colon in Barcelona.
http://www.hotelcolon.es/index1.trx?Ar=OpcsCol&Opc=1 &idioma=
2

Jeez, this page has so many errors I don't know where to
start.

Run it through the validator yourself:
http://validator.w3.org/

This is a case of a web page being poorly coded, not FF's
ability to render it.

--
Christopher Jahn
:-(

http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some
have
entertained angels unawares.

 

[Christopher Jahn]

On the security sites, some fellow would always bring up
the site of an on line compliance checker to see if there
were "holes" in the website under question. I've lost track
of the site

Anyone here recall the named of the site that checks
websites for conformance? (FWIIW, it is on line free ware)

http://validator.w3.org/

--
Christopher Jahn
:-(

http://home.comcast.net/~xjahn/Main.html

In marriage, as in war, it is permitted to take every
advantage
of the enemy.

 

[MLC]

mercoledì 04/ago/2004 _Susan Bugher_ in

http://validator.w3.org/

Hi Susan,
speaking of that, there's a leftover </A> tag in the home page, after the
link for Pricelessware 2004.
I know you seek the perfection ;-))