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Joost
ask L. van Beethoven about opus 111 !
Joost
ask L. van Beethoven about opus 111 !
Joost
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alex goldman
J.V.Ashby said:
Last I checked, the royalists lost. Germans too.
That's not the point though, is it? It's just sophistry if even that.
I had $1000 that I would have paypaled you, had you written "empty hollow
thud" in your message, but you didn't. Whose loss?
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Vorbr=FCggen?=
Not knowing the Stream benchmark and discussing processor performance is
Indeed
...but at least he wasn't congenitally deaf...
Jan
Indeed
...but at least he wasn't congenitally deaf...Jan
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andy
I am curious why you maintain an offensive tone in your dialogue? Do
you find it helps extract the information you seek? I can see it would
help keep a thread going but would expect the discussion to wander
somewhat.
Running numerically intensive code on a laptop would seem rather odd
and I think you are correct that manufacturers are unlikely to have
much interest in providing you with performance information beyond what
is used for marketing.
The NAS tests are widely known and used in scientific computing and so
manufacturers have often run them internally. If you talk to them they
are often prepared to provide the numbers or point you at groups that
have already run the tests. It is not really to do with clout but
asking for relevant information about their products. AMD were
certainly prepared to provide such numbers when the Opteron came out
and, as far as I can recall, they did not know me from Adam. However, I
was interested in the numerical performance of their microprocessor in
motherboards suitable for clusters and not laptops which may have
helped get a response.
you find it helps extract the information you seek? I can see it would
help keep a thread going but would expect the discussion to wander
somewhat.
Running numerically intensive code on a laptop would seem rather odd
and I think you are correct that manufacturers are unlikely to have
much interest in providing you with performance information beyond what
is used for marketing.
The NAS tests are widely known and used in scientific computing and so
manufacturers have often run them internally. If you talk to them they
are often prepared to provide the numbers or point you at groups that
have already run the tests. It is not really to do with clout but
asking for relevant information about their products. AMD were
certainly prepared to provide such numbers when the Opteron came out
and, as far as I can recall, they did not know me from Adam. However, I
was interested in the numerical performance of their microprocessor in
motherboards suitable for clusters and not laptops which may have
helped get a response.
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alex goldman
andy said:
My tone in talking to you is no more offensive than your earlier "I'm not
sure I'm wise to continue ..." remark, so please save your high-and-mighty
act for someone else.
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andy
I guess I will have to draw my own conclusions about why the tone. It
also needs at least two for a dialogue about AMD benchmarking and that
does not seem to be happening in this branch of the thread.
also needs at least two for a dialogue about AMD benchmarking and that
does not seem to be happening in this branch of the thread.
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Victor Eijkhout
Grow up. Once I start carrying a signature "this post guaranteed not
typos" then you can start nitpicking.
google for "stream benchmark".
Btw, you can also try the HPC Challenge.
V.
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alex goldman
Victor said:
You know what I think? You aren't very familiar with BLAS, hence "DGEM"
instead of "DGEMM", and you aren't much of a computer scientist, and didn't
know "stream" meant "delayed list". So you thought it's OK to throw the
word around unqualified, and others would understand you.
Now that your shortcomings have been pointed out to you, you grasp at straws
("google") and try to be insulting ("grow up").
Do I want to keep talking to you? No.
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Richard
alex said:
Yes, well done you are a very clever computer scientist.
What kind of straw? Define please or stop throwing words around qualified.
**** off then.
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toby
andy said:
He's an American: he just can't help it.
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alex goldman
toby said:
This is an obvious troll, intended to start an intercultural flamefest.
Let's snuff it before it grows: Americans no ruder than Europeans. (I've
known too few Australians to form an opinion).
Your implication that this thread is an example to the contrary is simply
wrong:
"You are an idiot" - came from Germany, posted by "Jan Vorbrüggen", who
first whined about manners in this very thread.
"**** off then" - came from UK, posted by someone calling himself "Richard".
Admittedly, under the right circumstances, someone might get me angry, but
in this case, these fellas are so obviously beneath me intellectually, that
ticking me off is way beyond their ability, or yours for that matter.
Have a nice day!
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Victor Eijkhout
andy said:
Yes and no. The linpack benchmark is also based on large matrices.
However, the basic operation (matrix-matrix multiplication) has the
potential for considerable cache reuse, so a proper implementation can
actually hide the fact that the cache is overflowing.
V.
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Victor Eijkhout
andy said:
He *is* actually getting a fair amount of follow-up.
V.
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Harmonic Software
We are in the process of incorporating AMD's optimized BLAS/LAPACK routines
into O-Matrix. We are not far enough along to provide worthy numerical
comparisons but the marketing line we got from AMD was "Using the AMD BLAS
you will get a much better MFLOP/$ ratio than with Intel". ...
Beau Paisley
Harmonic Software
www.omatrix.com
into O-Matrix. We are not far enough along to provide worthy numerical
comparisons but the marketing line we got from AMD was "Using the AMD BLAS
you will get a much better MFLOP/$ ratio than with Intel". ...
Beau Paisley
Harmonic Software
www.omatrix.com
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Victor Eijkhout
Harmonic Software said:
The two processors are rather different, so this would make sense, even
if the instruction sets are compatible.
Victor.