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Deodiaus

I am trying to repair a computer with an AMD 1.7GHz chip on a Elite
K7VMM+ mb with a 300W PS, using a 20GB disk with Win2000. When it
starts up, nothing displays on the monitor (no start up sequence). The
HD, monitor and cable are fine, as I tested them on another computer.
The power supply seems to power the HD, as it spins. The lights
flicker on the mb .
Basically, I replaced the mb with an identical one I bought off ebay.
I also changed the chip with another one off ebay. I tried using a
150W watt power supply, just to see if anything would show up. Still
nothing shows up. I suppose I should try the mb & chips on another
machine?
Is it possible that the power supply is faulty, but not failing
completely?
Does anyone know of sites which offer PC diagnostics help.
 
P

philo

Deodiaus said:
I am trying to repair a computer with an AMD 1.7GHz chip on a Elite
K7VMM+ mb with a 300W PS, using a 20GB disk with Win2000. When it
starts up, nothing displays on the monitor (no start up sequence). The
HD, monitor and cable are fine, as I tested them on another computer.
The power supply seems to power the HD, as it spins. The lights
flicker on the mb .
Basically, I replaced the mb with an identical one I bought off ebay.
I also changed the chip with another one off ebay. I tried using a

Looks like you've replaced everything but the video card and the RAM
might as well try a different video card and different RAM too
 
R

Rod Speed

Deodiaus said:
I am trying to repair a computer with an AMD 1.7GHz chip on a Elite
K7VMM+ mb with a 300W PS, using a 20GB disk with Win2000.
When it starts up, nothing displays on the monitor (no start up sequence).
The HD, monitor and cable are fine, as I tested them on another computer.
The power supply seems to power the HD, as it spins.
Fine.

The lights flicker on the mb .

Not clear what this means, what lights on the mb ?

Does the system appear to boot judging by the hard
drive activity, but you just get nothing on the screen ?

What happens if you let it complete booting and then shut it
down using Alt F4, doesn it appear to shut down properly etc ?
Basically, I replaced the mb with an identical one I bought off ebay.
I also changed the chip with another one off ebay. I tried using a
150W watt power supply, just to see if anything would show up.
Still nothing shows up. I suppose I should try the mb & chips on
another machine?

Better to try another monitor off that machine first.

If its got a separate video card, and it appears to boot but
doesnt put anything on the screen, try another video card, even
something primitive like an older S3 PCI card, whatever you have.
Is it possible that the power supply is faulty, but not failing completely?
Yes.

Does anyone know of sites which offer PC diagnostics help.

You dont need any, just think thru the basics.
 
D

Deodiaus

The motherboard has some lights which are hooked to the case to
indicate that the PC is getting power.
Yes, I replaced the CPU (the chip) for $30 and the mb for $40. I have
two sticks (32MB & 256MB) of memory, so one has to work. I also tried
some DDR memory as well. I know that the monitor, VGA cable,& HD work,
as I tried it with another old system. The video card is on the k7vmm+
motherboard, see ecs web site.
http://www.ecsusa.com/downloads/k7vmm_plus.html
I didn't hear the beeps at startup, but have to double check the
wiring to make sure that they are hooked to the speakers.
Yes, it seems to power up, as the HD makes sounds which seem familiar.
Let me try to Alt F4 suggestion.
Do you think I can buy a powersupply, and if it does not work, return
it to the computer place for at least store credit? I was hoping that
someone might have a used one, as I'd feel less bad if I fried it. I
have an old 150W which I tried from the old PII 500MHz system, thinking
it might just work, but that was inconclusive.
At this rate, I should have just bought a cheap $250 new ACER system,
but it was out of stock at www.tigerdirect.com
 
R

Rod Speed

Deodiaus said:
The motherboard has some lights which are hooked
to the case to indicate that the PC is getting power.

OK, another example of what is obvious once you spell it out.
Yes, I replaced the CPU (the chip) for $30 and the mb for $40.
I have two sticks (32MB & 256MB) of memory, so one has to
work. I also tried some DDR memory as well.
I know that the monitor, VGA cable,& HD
work, as I tried it with another old system.

Yeah, didnt read that carefully enough.
The video card is on the k7vmm+ motherboard, see ecs web site.
http://www.ecsusa.com/downloads/k7vmm_plus.html
I didn't hear the beeps at startup, but have to double check
the wiring to make sure that they are hooked to the speakers.
Yes, it seems to power up, as the HD makes sounds which seem familiar.

Does the HD led activity make it look like its booting up ?
Let me try to Alt F4 suggestion.
Do you think I can buy a powersupply, and if it does not work,
return it to the computer place for at least store credit?

Varys with the store. Yes, the better ones will do that.
I was hoping that someone might have
a used one, as I'd feel less bad if I fried it.

That shouldnt happen.
I have an old 150W which I tried from the old PII 500MHz
system, thinking it might just work, but that was inconclusive.

Yeah, doesnt prove much, its a bit puny for an AMD cpu.
 
K

kony

I am trying to repair a computer with an AMD 1.7GHz chip on a Elite
K7VMM+ mb with a 300W PS, using a 20GB disk with Win2000.

That board might have bad capacitors, examine them for signs
of swelling or leakage.

What make and model of PSU? If it is a very low end 300W
PSU it may not be suitable for long term use and has failed.


When it
starts up, nothing displays on the monitor (no start up sequence).

Classic "no POST" scenario. Unplug PSU from AC for 10
minutes, while you have the battery removed (or use clear
CMOS jumper while AC is still disconnected).

When was system last working, how long had it worked and
what had changed? Did it just work everyday with no changes
then one day it wouldn't turn on, or?

Examine cables, cards, fans, etc, trying to find a failed
part.

The
HD, monitor and cable are fine, as I tested them on another computer.

Which "cable"?

Don't even hook up the hard drive, try to get system running
in a bare minimum configuration (towards POSTing).
You then only need 1 memory module, CPU, heatsink/fan and
video - except video appears to be integrated on this board?
If so, use the integrated video or you could try a PCI video
card but avoid using a higher powered AGP card if your PSU
is straining itself.

The power supply seems to power the HD, as it spins. The lights
flicker on the mb .

If you have a multimeter, it wouldn't hurt to take voltage
readings, especially of 5V, 12V, 3.3V, and 5VSB.


Basically, I replaced the mb with an identical one I bought off ebay.

Bad way to test because we can't be sure the one bought off
ebay is working. I mean, would work even if everything else
does. If a board sits around the battery may drain (check
it's voltage too, AND make sure the clear CMOS jumper is in
the right position- sometimes ECS ships boards with the
jumper in the "clear" position and the installer has to
change it).


I also changed the chip with another one off ebay.

This is another unknown variable, ideally you would only
swap in known good parts (or have another way to prove they
work).


I tried using a
150W watt power supply, just to see if anything would show up.

150W PSU may easily be insufficient capacity, it is
"possible" your 150W PSU works fine but can't power this
parts combination, and your other PSU is bad. We can't
conclude this though, there are still a lot of other
possibilities.


Still
nothing shows up. I suppose I should try the mb & chips on another
machine?

Yes if possible, though try the things I'd mentioned above,
and leave all cards, cables, etc, disconnected from the
board and PSU for the time being, and use a screwdriver or
similar to turn the board on by carefully shorting together
the power-on pins (see motherboard manual if you can't tell
which two pins.

Is it possible that the power supply is faulty, but not failing
completely?


yes, possible but not enough evidence to know one way or the
other yet. If you wanted to consider odds, the odds are the
original failure was your motherboard or PSU, unless the CPU
fan had failed or the heatsink fell off. You can then rule
out other parts by disconnecting from board and PSU as
mentioned above, then clear CMOS again with AC disconnected
before retrying them.
Does anyone know of sites which offer PC diagnostics help.

Besides what I've mentioned, there's not a lot more you can
try before swapping known good and viable (in the case of a
PSU with decent quality and capacity) parts into that system
or swapping the questionable parts into a known good system.

You might leave your PSU disconnected from AC for a few
minutes and open and inspect it, some faults are visible
(like capacitors, particlarly on the cheaper PSU they will
fail first if the fan didn't (or especially if the fan did).
 
J

Jos

Deodiaus said:
I am trying to repair a computer with an AMD 1.7GHz chip on a Elite
K7VMM+ mb with a 300W PS, using a 20GB disk with Win2000. When it
starts up, nothing displays on the monitor (no start up sequence). The
HD, monitor and cable are fine, as I tested them on another computer.
The power supply seems to power the HD, as it spins. The lights
flicker on the mb .
Basically, I replaced the mb with an identical one I bought off ebay.
I also changed the chip with another one off ebay. I tried using a
150W watt power supply, just to see if anything would show up. Still
nothing shows up. I suppose I should try the mb & chips on another
machine?
Is it possible that the power supply is faulty, but not failing
completely?
Does anyone know of sites which offer PC diagnostics help.

my thinking it is power supply. You should get a cheap but reliable
psu like FSP, sparkle.
 

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