Alternatives to Keynote !?

[Lennart]

On www.tranglos.com you can read that marek stopped to develop Keynote.
That's sad, because a lot of people loves that program. He mention that
there several other and better programs. Is that true? Should we try to
start an OpenSource project or switch to an alternative?

Please share your alternatives for keynote in this thread. They should ...
* be free (F/OSS)
* even good or better than keynote (think about table support, database,
plugins)
* not discontinued

My 'tip'
http://www.bellz.org/treeline/index.html - i discovered it today. Its still
version 0.13, so it can grow to an good program. It has some database
capabilities. No tabbed interface

 

[Rednax]

Please share your alternatives for keynote in this thread. They should ...
* be free (F/OSS)
* even good or better than keynote (think about table support, database,
plugins)
* not discontinued

Butr they should have the unique features of KeyNote. There are a lot
of tree type notes programmes, but the combination of tree and tabs is
unique afaik. I agree about the table support. I don't really like
plugins. You quickly loose sight of what a programme can do. All
essential features should be contained in the programme itself.
Just my two cents worth...

BTW, a simple PIM like XDesk95 had a nice featue. You can add table
columns and multiply rows.

I really hope that KeyNote wil be continued as an open source project,
but someone will have to take responsiblity (and must have time....).

Rednax

 

[wald]

I don't really like plugins. You quickly loose sight of what a
programme can do. All essential features should be contained in
the programme itself. Just my two cents worth...

I'm all for plugins, actually. That's what makes Firefox such a
great thing, you can customize it with just those plugins that make
your life easier, and skip the rest.

Plus, a decent plugin system lowers the barrier for user
contributions. It's easier to write a plugin in some scripting-type
language, than to muddle with the source code of the program itself
to add functionality. There a whole lot more potential for
contributions with a decent plugin system, than without.

Just a thought,
Wald

 

[perro]

I have been using Neomem. While I continue to use Keynote (excellent
program), I like neomem's clean look. Check it out.

www.neomem.org

 

[perro]

Why replace Keynote when it does everything we want it to do, extremely
well. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

My thank you email to Jed for contributing to the freeware world
aficinados, supporters and users.

Jed - I know you have hang the globes for any future development of
Keynote. But I just wanted to thank you for creating such a powerful
and useful tools and giving it to us for free. You are talented and I
am sure you get these comment all the time. I have been using your
program for three years and will continue to use it. alt.freeware is
talking about replacing keynote with something else. Not here. If it
works why replace it.

Regards and many thanks.

 

[Rednax]

I have been using Neomem. While I continue to use Keynote (excellent
program), I like neomem's clean look. Check it out.

www.neomem.org

Never seen that one before. Quite cool. Would like better import and
export. When I create large data files I want to be able to migrate to
another programme if that's better suited for my requirements. The
last thing I want is to be stuck with a particular piece of software
because of its file format. With Keynote one can at least migrate to
TreePad and vice versa.
I guess a combination of the best from Keynote and Neomen would
produce an unbeatable programme (NeoNote?).

Rednax

 

[Edbro]

That one looks interesting. Do you know if it is portable? In other
words, can it be run from a USB drive without an install?

 

[mike ring]

That one looks interesting. Do you know if it is portable? In other
words, can it be run from a USB drive without an install?

According to their forum, yes.

(I'm still fanatical about Treepad Lite -prog and date on a floppy, but
this may be the memory stick equivalent!)

mike

 

[Cousin Stanley]

....

My 'tip'
http://www.bellz.org/treeline/index.html

Cousin Lennart ....

Treeline has some nice advantages ....

o Open source

o Cross-platform

o Written in Python
so I can monkey with it myself

o Can open files of several different types
including Treepad files & Mozilla bookmark files ....

Loaded my 466 KB Firefox bookmarks in 2-3 seconds
which includes a bunch of separate folders and
sub-folders ....

The bookmark links in Treeline are clickable
and opened Firefox, but a separate instance
for each one instead of a new tab ....

I've tested it a bit under Debian Linux,
but not well enough to know how it will behave
in the long run ....

So far it looks pretty nice to me as well ....

 

[Lennart]

Op Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:47:26 +0200 schreef Rednax:

Butr they should have the unique features of KeyNote. There are a lot
of tree type notes programmes, but the combination of tree and tabs is
unique afaik. I agree about the table support. I don't really like
plugins. You quickly loose sight of what a programme can do. All
essential features should be contained in the programme itself.
Just my two cents worth...

BTW, a simple PIM like XDesk95 had a nice featue. You can add table
columns and multiply rows.

I really hope that KeyNote wil be continued as an open source project,
but someone will have to take responsiblity (and must have time....).

Rednax

O sure, tree & tabs combination is 'holy' for me! A lot of alternatives i
looked to, didn't pass my test because they don't support tabs & tree's.

A good coordinated plugin-support would be essential - for example one site
with al options.

 

[Lennart]

Op Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:06:22 -0500 schreef Cousin Stanley:

Cousin Lennart ....

Are we family

I like treeline to, also because it is written in Python. Now i'm learning
PHP, and after that i want to start with python. Very handy to modify
little things

 

[John Fitzsimons]

I have been using Neomem. While I continue to use Keynote (excellent
program), I like neomem's clean look. Check it out.

www.neomem.org

Would be nice if a Treepad user could do a comparison and tell us
which is best, and why. < hint hint >

 

[vestero]

I could get motivated to try if it could import Treepad files. As far
as I can see, it can not.

 

[mike ring]

Would be nice if a Treepad user could do a comparison and tell us
which is best, and why. < hint hint >

I use Treepad Lite, and I wouldn't even like to upgrade to the paid
version, because I like the sheer simplicity.

It can't do anything much but store and retrieve information, can't print
worth a damn, launch browsers, go to URLs, hold pictures, (but of course it
CAN catalogue their file numbers, classification, etc.), and it can't wake
me up or remind me of appointments. But I've got progs to do all that, some
like stickies, do miles more, but the only thing I use Stickies for is
stickies, the rest is bloat.

But it can live on a floppy *with* the data. And I can refer to or copy the
info and use one of the other progs to make it more picturesque if I like.

I'll try neomem - what looks good is it is portable (the forum says),
what's not so good is my memory stick may not work in another computer,
(W9X) - I know for sure some it doesn't, as the drivers are different.

Anmd it's not much use having a driver on the stick if the other computer
doesn't recognise it.

But anyhow, my golden rule (simplicate and add lightness) is why I love
treepad lite, I think the standard version is a retrograde step.

Looking at the neomem blog it seems it's racing to become one of those "all
things to all people" progs, but there's loads of them. It looks as if it
might turn out to be the best (bully for neomem) but then there'll be even
more redundancy and bloat on my computer.

PS. Some of my favourite progs that do just about one thing and do it right

Treepad lite
Birthday reminder
Allchars
IconRestore
Gapa
Scandefrag
nistime
windirstat
Timidity

It's a wonderful world!

mike

 

[Lennart]

Op 26 Oct 2005 10:31:40 GMT schreef mike ring:

Gapa

What is gapa?

 

[Michael Laplante]

I use Treepad Lite, and I wouldn't even like to upgrade to the paid
version, because I like the sheer simplicity.

Wise choice. I made the mistake of buying the Business Edition version
several years ago. It turned out to be extremely buggy and it hasn't
improved measurably over the years. The RTF implementation in the program is
terrible. However, the Lite version remains one of my Top Ten freeware
program on my chine.

M

 

[Edbro]

Folks, I've been trying this out and it's a keeper. There's a bit of a
learning curve but well worth the time investment. This seems to have
everything Keynote does in a much slicker interface. The ability to
create links is really nice.

 

[mike ring]

Op 26 Oct 2005 10:31:40 GMT schreef mike ring:


What is gapa?

Gamma Panel - instant adjustment of monitor profiles, nice for different
light conditions, also for arty stuff

Home page appears to have died, but it's still around

http://www.snapfiles.com/get/gammapanel.html

PS - forgot to mention PopTray!

mike

 

[J44xm]

["perro"; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:51:23 GMT]

Why replace Keynote when it does everything we want it to do, extremely
well. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

I still love Keynote. I plan to check out Neomem, but running Keynote
portably is beautiful.

 

[Third_Foundation]

I just wanted to put in a little about alternatives here. I have spent
the last couple of days reviewing 8 other programs, and I'd be happy to
share my personal opinion. Of course, opinions are like ___(fill in the
blank)____; everyone has one, eh?

Also, note that these are NOT freeware, open source, or even available
for all platforms. Since I am enslaved by MS (for now), I only looked
at Windows versions. As far as all that goes... Keynote still (and may
for a long time) ROCK!

1. Ultra Recall - 2/5 stars. Integrated web browser. Example highlights
this. Weak in the strictly notes area.

2. Mybase - 4/5 stars. Can attach files to notes. Web browser.
Electronic book example in the sample database. Limited bullet styles.
Not primarily for text, but instead for many other purposes like
capturing web pages (which I use Firefox for). Weak table support.

3. MyNotes Center - 4/5 stars. Quick access toolbar (like favorites
list I guess). Auto opens previous notes. All notebooks appear under
the same tree. Fully functional ruler bar (indents, etc), Limited
numbered paragraph functions. Text collector and clipboard viewer. No
tables support.

4. Info Angel 4/5 stars. Cool tip-of-the-day. Complete paragraph
bullets and numbering options. Recycle bin. Good paragraph formatting.
No definable style lists. No ruler bar.

5. Neat Notes 2005 (4/5) - Full featured outline numbering and bullets.
Can set focused and unfocused icons for tree (cool). Bage break
control. Multiple sheet tabs. Show/hide hidden characters. Nice backup
manager. New files shown as notes on the master tree. Great tables
control. No realtime spell checking. A password manager that is
un-hideable. Does not appear to support internal linking to other
notes.

6. MyInfo 4/5- Tabs show different trees (each an individual file). No
realtime spell checker. No control over numbered or bulleted lists. No
ruler bar. Good table suport. Can tile the different trees (files) in
the main window (cool), each showing their own full tree explorer. I
just wish I had a 23-inch monitor. Opens all trees upon launching.

7. GoldenSection (GS) Notes (4.5/5): Useful hints. Full featured
outline numbering and bullets. Realtime spell checking. Can attach
files to individual nodes. Nice linking to folders, documents (of other
applications), and internal notes. Good table control tools. Has
recycle bin. Tables do NOT copy well into the application's notes.
Strange (to me) way you have "records" inside each node (note) that are
documents unto themselves. Full featured ruler bar.

8. AnyNotes (3.5/5) - Startup tips. Can attach files to notes (nodes).
Four-paned window (tree that shows root + folders only, list of
documents within selected folder, text pane, attachment pane). PocketPC
folder. Can use text pane for a folder as well a document. No tables
support. Cool looking interface. No ruler bar. Only has basic bullets
and numbering tool.

9. TreeDBNotes (5/5) - They have a freeware version. Full tables
support. Paragraph borders and paragraph background colors. Auto-backup
Explorer (cool). Realtime spelling checker, in a single file, you can
create many different trees, each shown by its own tab. Fully
functional ruler bar. Many, many toolbar buttons, although the tool
bars are not customizable. Can insert special icons for bullets. Full
featured outline numbering feature. Ruler is only in centimeters.
Switching between notes prompts to save current node (changeable, but
on by default). Offers a free "reader" that you can distribute e-books
by. Has password and contacts manager (but these need not show up on
the screen). Appears to listen to users regarding improvements needed.

So, you can tell that my favorite is TreeDBNotes. Once again, I offer
the disclaimer that this is only my opinion, and I didn't spend the
same amount of time with each and every program. As soon as I found
enough "turn offs" for me, I moved on.

Hope that helps///

["perro"; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:51:23 GMT]

Why replace Keynote when it does everything we want it to do, extremely
well. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

I still love Keynote. I plan to check out Neomem, but running Keynote
portably is beautiful.