Advice re Core 2Duo

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antioch

A friend is buying a computer from a well know 'off the shelf' builder.
It has the latest Intel ViiV technology Core 2Duo E4300 CPU.
He has NO tech knowledge re overclocking.
The GPU start level on customise is an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator
3000.
His main use for a system will be to play DVD films and music, browse the
net and emails.
He will not be downloading video or film editing of any kind - just using
the DVD RW to store digital photos.
Re the DVD playing, will an accelerator be sufficient for purpose or should
he have at least the entry level GPU card as offered.
Rgds
Antioch
 
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peter

Everything I have read on that Graphics Chipset points to a pretty decent
Video Output......but there are better Video Cards available.The Intel is
able to use 386 RAM,,,so your friend needs to have a fair amount because
that amount will be "subtracted" from total RAM and set aside for video
use.If his mobo supports PCI-E he can in the future buy a PCI-E video card
if he finds the onboard not to his liking......Which mobo is he looking at
using??
peter
 
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Paul

antioch said:
A friend is buying a computer from a well know 'off the shelf' builder.
It has the latest Intel ViiV technology Core 2Duo E4300 CPU.
He has NO tech knowledge re overclocking.
The GPU start level on customise is an Intel Graphics Media Accelerator
3000.
His main use for a system will be to play DVD films and music, browse the
net and emails.
He will not be downloading video or film editing of any kind - just using
the DVD RW to store digital photos.
Re the DVD playing, will an accelerator be sufficient for purpose or should
he have at least the entry level GPU card as offered.
Rgds
Antioch

If the builder is flexible on the OS, and the build is to be low end,
use WinXP, as it needs less resources. Vista runs better when it has a
lot of RAM. WinXP can get by with less RAM.

An E4300 is 1.8GHz, with an FSB of FSB800.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9TB

Using the chart here, they don't list the E4300. But this particular
benchmark chart is scalable. The E6400 runs at 2.13GHz and benches at
19562. Scaling down to E4300 level, that would be 16531. The dual core
Pentium D 830 is the older technology, and runs at 3GHz, and it benches
at 13530. So the E4300 is at least as good as a 3GHz dual core of the
old "Netburst" design.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=433&model2=447&chart=158

Even the GMA3000 will have IDCT acceleration, for playback of content.
Which will help a little bit. That doesn't mean every stage of playback
is accelerated, just the one stage, and IDCT (Inverse Discrete Cosine
Transform) has been available on graphics designs for at least 5 years or
so.

If using WinXP, for my own use I'd put 1GB of memory in the machine.
512MB would also be usable, but tighter. If you are forced to use
Vista, 512MB will make it feel sluggish.

For 2D work, the GMA3000 would need room for frame buffers, but
other than that, doesn't have to bite into system memory that hard.

Try it without a separate graphics card first. Make sure the computer
has expansion slots, like a slot for a video card. On machines like
Dell/HP/Gateway etc, the lowest cost machines sometimes ship without
a good slot for a graphics card, making upgrading later difficult.
So, to prevent that error from being made, verify the machine does
have a slot for a separate graphics card. On older motherboards,
that would have been AGP 8X, while on newer it would be PCI Express x16.
The reason for specifying AGP 8X, and not something less, is not
the performance end of things, it is for compatibility with as many
modern AGP cards as possible. Similarly, on the PCI Express end
of things, you could run a video card even on a PCI Express x1 slot,
but the connector is too small for the majority of video cards.
Having a x16 slot, with its large connector, ensures that there are
a couple hundred options for video card upgrades later.

The power supply does not have to be beefed up too much for low
end graphics cards like 7300GT or 7600GS, so your main worry with
those, is the slot to hold the card. Those cards are in the 30W range,
and the power supply probably already has enough room for that. If
you were adding a $600 8800 series card, those use 145W of power, and
may be too much for whatever power supply ships with the system.

Working with High Definition content, is a separate issue. But you
aren't likely to be attempting that with a low end system anyway, as
the optical drive for either HD-DVD or Blueray would be quite
expensive. There are probably better articles than this one, as
this is just a quick preview.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2798&p=3

Paul
 
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Paul

<<snip>>

There is mention here, of GMA x3000 and GMA 3000. Apparently there is
more to this thing than just IDCT. In general, I'm always suspicious of
integrated graphics, so I'd want to see benchmarks of how much of a
difference it makes to video, before I would get excited.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2837

So apparently a G965 is more desirable than a Q965, for the motherboard
chipset and the built-in graphics. Maybe that "ViiV" moniker means
something. (I try not to drink the Kool-Aid, and that is why I don't
keep track of what stuff like ViiV means.)

http://support.intel.com/personal/shopping-assistant/pop-up/why-viiv.htm

"Unbelievably rich media. Watch crystal clear video playback with
sharper images and precise color control with Intel Clear Video
Technology combined with high-definition (HD) video playback
capabilities and support for up to 7.1 surround sound."

Yeah, assuming there is software that actually works. Usually there is
a big gap between hardware availability, and software that works well
enough for anyone to use.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chipsets/display/ig965-gf6150_3.html

And this page of the article, compares G965 with other integrated
graphics. The new Intel features make a slight difference to
CPU utilization. Still, it isn't hitting 100% CPU, so it works.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chipsets/display/ig965-gf6150_13.html

Paul
 
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antioch

Peter
Thank you for your input - observations intertwined/spliced

peter said:
Everything I have read on that Graphics Chipset points to a pretty decent
Video Output......but there are better Video Cards available.

Agreed - it does seem decent for what it is. And there are 2 GPUs in
addition to select.
His budget is £500 max
The Intel is able to use 386 RAM,,,so your friend needs to have a fair
amount because that amount will be "subtracted" from total RAM and set
aside for video use.If his mobo supports PCI-E he can in the future buy a
PCI-E video card if he finds the onboard not to his liking......
Which mobo is he looking at using??

With this builder you never see the Mobo specs.
It seems strange that the customising options give a non-ViiV cpu with same
specs - but if chosen, a conflict is shown with the OS which is Vista Home
Premium as the ONLY!! option.
This is the link to the system concerned - should have put it in before.

http://configure.euro.dell.com/dell...E06a&rbc=D03E06a&s=dhs&sbc=ukdhsftdppdesktop2

As I see it, the only heavy use will be playing film/music DVDs on the
20inch monitor he has set his sights on - any system he wants has to be
built round this 20 inch - 19inch not good enough - this is what is cramping
his budget. But as he has to spend most of the day on a bed, and I cant
argue against it.
Rgds
Antioch
 
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antioch

Paul
Thank you for the info and links.
I had been to Toms in the hope of seeing the E4300, but as you say it does
not feature.
Re the OS, only Vista Home Premium is on offer?
I have given a link to the system in question in my reply to Peter.
The system will have 1024MB RAM.
Having read your links and a couple of others, the CPU and GMA set-ups seem
to be more for small business systems than home use.
All in all, it would seem to me that with 1024MB Memory he will be OK
watching DVD films etc as long as he does not run a McAffe scan at the same
time as watching 'Gone With The Wind' :) :).
Many thanks for yours and Peters help and info.
It does seem strange that this system is quite a lot cheaper than a standard
home entry system from this particular builder.
I will try and get him to spend another £47 on the GPU (256MB Ati Radeon
X1300Pro - I am sure that would cope with no problems.
Rgds
Antioch
 

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