Access Runtime License

G

Guest

Is it true that even though Access Runtime is bundled with Office Access
2003, you still need to purchase Access 2003 Developer Extensions to
distibute it?

Obviously, with the runtime a user cannot change the structure of the
database at all, but are there any limitations on their ability to manipulate
data through the already-created functionality?

Chris
 
R

Rick Brandt

Chris said:
Is it true that even though Access Runtime is bundled with Office
Access 2003, you still need to purchase Access 2003 Developer
Extensions to distibute it?

Obviously, with the runtime a user cannot change the structure of the
database at all, but are there any limitations on their ability to
manipulate data through the already-created functionality?

Chris
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Yep. The runtime is free for *users*, not for the developer. This will be
changed for Access 2007 though.
 
A

Arvin Meyer [MVP]

Chris Wilkinson said:
Is it true that even though Access Runtime is bundled with Office Access
2003, you still need to purchase Access 2003 Developer Extensions to
distibute it?
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Yes, you need the developer extensions. No, it isn't bundled with Access.
Obviously, with the runtime a user cannot change the structure of the
database at all, but are there any limitations on their ability to
manipulate
data through the already-created functionality?
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Some of the menu items don't work, but if you develop the same functionality
within your forms, it should work OK. There are exceptions, I think
Replication is one, which only work with the full version.
 
D

David W. Fenton

Yep. The runtime is free for *users*, not for the developer.
This will be changed for Access 2007 though.
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As of tomorrow, May 15th, when it has been announced that the A2K7
runtime will be released.
 
D

David W. Fenton

in message


Yes, you need the developer extensions. No, it isn't bundled with
Access.


Some of the menu items don't work, but if you develop the same
functionality within your forms, it should work OK. There are
exceptions, I think Replication is one, which only work with the
full version.
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Of course replication will still work with the runtime. There's no
UI for it, but you'd be providing your own UI anyway, since you'd be
providing a front end to your replicated back end.
 
M

Mel

I'm a little confused by this.

We are using Access 2003.

1 - If we want our dB to run on a machine w/o Access we need a runtime
file to be on that computer... right?

2 - Do I have to go out and buy the runtime file from Microsoft (or
someone else? Who else?)

3 - How much is the runtime file or software to create it?

4 - Do I understand from David that it will be free as of tomorrow?
For Access 2003 users or just people who buy the latest version of
Access?

5 - Is the latest named A2K7?

thanks for the help.

Mel
 
D

Douglas J. Steele

Mel said:
I'm a little confused by this.

We are using Access 2003.

1 - If we want our dB to run on a machine w/o Access we need a runtime
file to be on that computer... right?
Yes.

2 - Do I have to go out and buy the runtime file from Microsoft (or
someone else? Who else?)
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For Access 2003, you need to purchase Visual Studio 2005 Tools for Microsoft
Office. That's the only legal way to acquire the Access Developer
Extensions, which is what includes the run-time.
3 - How much is the runtime file or software to create it?
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According to
http://www.microsoft.com/products/i...ge&catid=515c9859-958b-4433-b4f9-91f37258ca2f
the Full Version is $799, while the Upgrade Version is $549.
4 - Do I understand from David that it will be free as of tomorrow?
For Access 2003 users or just people who buy the latest version of
Access?
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Each version of Access since Access 2.0 has had its own run-time product.
Assuming all goes according to plan, the runtime version for Access 2007
will be released tomorrow, and it will be a free download. However, my
understanding is that it's only intended to work with applications that were
built using Access 2007 and (I'm assuming) are in the new ACCDB file format.
5 - Is the latest named A2K7?
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Yes, the latest version of Access is Access 2007, part of Office 2007.
 
D

David W. Fenton

5 - Is the latest named A2K7?
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Yes, and it can only produce A2K7 runtimes. It is free for download
beginning May 15th.

If you need to produce an A2K3 runtime, you have to buy it.
 
G

Guest

Let me get this straight. If you have an Access 2003 database and want to
make a runtime version, you have to spend $800 on the Visual Studio 2005
Tools for Microsoft Office.

Or, you go out and buy Access 2007 for about $200, upgrade the 2003 database
to 2007 format, and then get the runtime generator for free.

Is my math wrong here. Unless there is something special about the 2003
format of Access, why not just move to 2007. That's a $500 saving plus the
latest version of Access to boot.

Am I missing something?
 
R

Rick Brandt

Peter said:
Let me get this straight. If you have an Access 2003 database and
want to make a runtime version, you have to spend $800 on the Visual
Studio 2005 Tools for Microsoft Office.

Or, you go out and buy Access 2007 for about $200, upgrade the 2003
database to 2007 format, and then get the runtime generator for free.

Is my math wrong here. Unless there is something special about the
2003 format of Access, why not just move to 2007. That's a $500
saving plus the latest version of Access to boot.

Am I missing something?
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Companies sometimes decide to no longer charge for something that they
previously did. MS has decided with Office 2007 to no longer charge for the
Access developer's tools. This does not indicate any sort of qualitative
difference between the 2007 developer's tools and the older versions.

The 2007 version is not yet available by the way. It was "released" for a
few days and then the download was removed due to an issue that was
discovered. It should be available again in a few weeks.

Also, the assumption that the newer version of Access is always the superior
version of Access does not have a very good track record.
 
G

Guest

I only have a few users of an Access 2000 application and I managed to get by
because they all had the Pro of Office version so they can run the app
without the runtime. We're all using Office Pro 2003, and it still runs the
Access 2000 format just fine. However, I may need to distribute the Access
app to other users who may not have the Pro version of Office. So I need the
developer's extensions. I am not in a rush to upgrade to Office Pro 2007.
When I saw that I have to buy the $800 Visual Studio package to get the
extensions, or just get a copy of Access 2007 (I am the only one who needs to
full version) and get the extensions for free, it seemed like a no brainer.
Yes, I know Access 2007 could present compatibility problems. I would be
converting an Access 2000 app to 2007, which is a jump.

Regarding the extensions, I downloaded them yesterday. Is there now a
problem?
 
S

Scott McDaniel

Let me get this straight. If you have an Access 2003 database and want to
make a runtime version, you have to spend $800 on the Visual Studio 2005
Tools for Microsoft Office.
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Right, if you want to keep in in the 2003 format. As Doug said, if you want to use the free 2007 runtime, you _might_
have to use the 2007 ACCDB/ACCDE format - I'm not sure of this, and haven't seen anything specific about it, but
generally the runtime is only guaranteed to function with that specific version of Access. That said, I've seen plenty
of 2000 apps running on 2002/2003 runtimes ....
Or, you go out and buy Access 2007 for about $200, upgrade the 2003 database
to 2007 format, and then get the runtime generator for free.

Is my math wrong here. Unless there is something special about the 2003
format of Access, why not just move to 2007. That's a $500 saving plus the
latest version of Access to boot.
Click to expand...

There are some significant changes to 2007. From my standpoint I'm not sure that it's a good thing, but admittedly I
haven't used it very much.

Am I missing something?
Click to expand...

Scott McDaniel
scott@takemeout_infotrakker.com
www.infotrakker.com
 
G

Guest

I would assume this to be the case, but does the free runtime come with
Access that is bundled with MS Office Pro 2007?

I need to test this new version of Access to see if we will have no issues
in the conversion to the new file format. Figure I could buy Office Pro 2007
and if Access 2007 didn't work out, at least my software purchase wouldn't be
a total loss.

Thanks.
 
D

Douglas J. Steele

The runtime doesn't come with Access: once it's released, it will be a free
download from http://download.microsoft.com (it was officially released last
week, but Microsoft was forced to pull it off the download site due to a
problem that was discovered after its release)

I'm not sure how the free runtime has any bearing on "if Access 2007 didn't
work out, at least my software purchase wouldn't be a total loss." AFAIK,
you won't be able to use the free runtime to package an application unless
you also have Access 2007 installed.
 

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