A7N8x + win95 = IOS error/win protection error?????

[Gotwings]

OK i have my new box which HAS to run 95 due to the dos environment it
provides. I can install the OS (win95). When i boot it provides
either an IOS error or Windows protection error.


I am stumped. I can load NT and run NT, but thats of no help to me.
Is there something in the bios I need to disable???

PLEEEEEEEEASE someone show me the light!!!!

 

[rstlne]

Is this some kind of joke ?

If you want to run old software, then run it on old hardware !
Why on earth have you bought a cutting-edge nForce 2 board, for WINDOWS 95
?!?!?

Hi, Dont act like a moron, he posted his reason and it's a highly valid
one..

 

[test]

OK i have my new box which HAS to run 95 due to the dos environment it
provides. I can install the OS (win95). When i boot it provides
either an IOS error or Windows protection error.

You're out of luck. There was a patch, it was mainly for the faster
AMD K62 series of processors, i.e. socket 7 CPUs . Even with the
patch there is an upper limit as to how fast Win95 will run. I've
experienced failures above the 500Mhz point, K62-500/550s, to my
knowledge there is no fix.

As one poster pointed out, far simpler to get an old beater box and
run Win95 on it.

 

[Mothra]

(e-mail address removed) (Gotwings) wrote in

OK i have my new box which HAS to run 95 due to the dos environment it
provides. I can install the OS (win95). When i boot it provides
either an IOS error or Windows protection error.


I am stumped. I can load NT and run NT, but thats of no help to me.
Is there something in the bios I need to disable???

PLEEEEEEEEASE someone show me the light!!!!

Windows 95 is not supported on most new hardware. Try Windows 98
(preferably the Special Edition) if you need a DOS environment. You
could also try Windows ME, but I think that was the point at which
microsoft started using DOS emulation instead.

You can actually run DOS programs in Windows XP, using a special wrapper
program that handles the sound emulation. That's if you can be bothered!

 

[Gotwings]

Hi, Dont act like a moron, he posted his reason and it's a highly valid
one..

Thanks fer backing me up on this! Win 95is the ONLY WINDOWS OS that
gives me the 16 bit dos environmet needed for this very imoprtant
app(did I mention its important). THe pc runs 24/7 in an
unconditioned warehouse in the midwest. So i only want to go all new
on this box re: hardware!!

I'm going to get an slower amd processor and see. I got the patch
linked above but cant install it cuz windows wont run!?

 

[Gotwings]

(e-mail address removed) (Gotwings) wrote in


Windows 95 is not supported on most new hardware. Try Windows 98
(preferably the Special Edition) if you need a DOS environment. You
could also try Windows ME, but I think that was the point at which
microsoft started using DOS emulation instead.

You can actually run DOS programs in Windows XP, using a special wrapper
program that handles the sound emulation. That's if you can be bothered!

Not sure what the "bothered thing ='s ? but i guess, ghost onto a new
HD, put the same mobo, in new box with new fans then i can consider
the pc "new" as far as any problematic or potetially aging parts
swapped out.

Thanks all!

 

[rstlne]

Oh, I just meant that you could go the route of running your DOS programs
under Windows XP with the DOS sound emulator 'if you could be bothered'
because that option is a lot more hassle compared to running Windows 98
and using the DOS mode in that.

It's not the same however, Not if you need to load dos drivers, then dos had
a much different way of how some things are monitor'd and used, NT, XP, 2K
put many restrictions on "Dos" mode..

Win 98 SHOULD be able to handle anything he needs really, If it didnt then I
would probably opt for some form of GNU.

Also, some highly advanced programs DONT WORK under windows (any version)..
Just look at something like flashing your bios and the high fail rate of
doing that from within windows.. By the arguments in this thread you should
be able to jump into a dos window and update your bios (if you try that then
the asus/award update program will tell you it MUST not run in that mode)
and I have used several current communication programs that must be run in
dos for no problems. I just dont like the idea of someone saying "Dont
tell me to upgrade, I know my system is old but it's what I need" and tons
of people say, Just go out and pay 300$ for some software that really isnt
going to work..

 

[me]

OK i have my new box which HAS to run 95 due to the dos environment it
provides. I can install the OS (win95). When i boot it provides
either an IOS error or Windows protection error.

I am stumped. I can load NT and run NT, but thats of no help to me.
Is there something in the bios I need to disable???

PLEEEEEEEEASE someone show me the light!!!!

If you are running more than 512 meg of ram you need to limit vcache to
512 meg or vcache=524288, in the system.ini file. Also, if you have more
than 1 gig of ram win 95 will also give you those errors. Win98se is no
different and has the same limitations.

 

[The General]

98/95 cannot run cpu > 2.1 GHz; need updated ver of ndis driver--ME ver
will do.

 

[me]

98/95 cannot run cpu > 2.1 GHz; need updated ver of ndis driver--ME ver
will do.

I have 98se running an XP 3200 400 fsb just perfect. My machine does not
even know what a blue screen is!

 

[Nom]

Yeah, you did But I don't understand why you need win95 for a
16bit-dos-environment... Win98 comes with one as well, but if you only
need dos, why not just install dos6.22 or something like that?

Same question from me ?

 

[test]

Thanks fer backing me up on this! Win 95is the ONLY WINDOWS OS that
gives me the 16 bit dos environmet needed for this very imoprtant
app(did I mention its important). THe pc runs 24/7 in an
unconditioned warehouse in the midwest. So i only want to go all new
on this box re: hardware!!

I'd find some old hardware to run this in a warehouse type setting.
Dust, Dirt, extreme temperature swings. You new hardware won't last
very long. They don't build it like they used to...

I'm going to get an slower amd processor and see. I got the patch
linked above but cant install it cuz windows wont run!?

You're going to have to find a processor so slow it won't run in that
board.

The way to apply the patch, it was small and would fit on a 1.44 Floppy
disk, was to copy the patch in DOS mode, i.e. boot floppy, F8 then
select Safe mode command prompt only. Then bring the unit up in safe
mode and run the patch. Then re-start the machine.

 

[Gotwings]

If you are running more than 512 meg of ram you need to limit vcache to
512 meg or vcache=524288, in the system.ini file. Also, if you have more
than 1 gig of ram win 95 will also give you those errors. Win98se is no
different and has the same limitations.

what a long pita this has been!! THanks fer all the input guys.
Here's what I did to get this project on wheels and moving ahead.
1. ghosted onto a new Hard drive
2. transplanted the mobo/p3 processor into new box using new fans and
new power supply.

what this special app does is downloads a file from an as/400. The
as400 file has pick orders for a warehouse line. ~if your order has
52 cartons of marlboro lt box king then a lcd screen shows 52 and an
led comes on till a picker pulls the 52 cartons and hts the button to
kill the light.

anyway after in win 95 it gets the file and runs a parse; it swaps
autoexec's and reboots into pure dos, with this propietary software
that MUST HAVE the 64k?? base memory or whatever straight dos uses,
and the com1 port connects the pc to the picking line then. so 98/xp
etc will allow the software to open but not in full dos where the
software and comport can function 100% .

Its the last version before they went to full unix basex , which would
run us $70,000 cuz EVERYTHING would have to be upgraded so this is the
only alternative we got.

THanks again!

 

[rstlne]

ouch
a nice analog plc system could probably do that for less than a grand

 

[Bill]

I had Windows '95 running on my A7N8X (non deluxe). What you need to
get
is the AMD update for K6s faster than 350 mhz. Google should find it.
if not, remove the first "d" (change kdhamann to khamann) in my email
address and send me an e-mail and I'll reply with the file as an
attachment. It may be tough to install. Underclocking any socket A
cpu below 350 may be impossible. I moved a Win95 OSR2 partition to
the drive for the A7N8X which had the K6 update installed on a K6-450
and deleted all the old drivers on the slower machine, then moved the
drive to the new machine and installed drivers (I couldn't find any
nforce2 ide drivers though).

Good luck!

An option that might work is VMware.

http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/ws_specs.html

Bill

 

[DanO]

Have you tried Win98SE instead of Win95? The DOS mode should be about the
same in both of them. Win95 is now approaching its 8th birthday! I think
it's time we actually laid it to rest....