A7N8X CPU QUESTION

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Anthony

I have the original A7N8X board , REV 1.04 with bios 1008 installed..will a
AMD ATHLONXP 3200 , 400FSB work with this board? Am I correct in saying that
to get 400fsb I need to set the speed in bios at 200 and what would be the
proper cpu multiplyer settings to set this chip properly in bios ? TIA ,
please help as I want to order this chip below

http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=7354
 
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Paul

"Anthony" said:
I have the original A7N8X board , REV 1.04 with bios 1008 installed..will a
AMD ATHLONXP 3200 , 400FSB work with this board? Am I correct in saying that
to get 400fsb I need to set the speed in bios at 200 and what would be the
proper cpu multiplyer settings to set this chip properly in bios ? TIA ,
please help as I want to order this chip below

http://www.smksuperstore.com/catalog/viewitem.asp?ID=7354

You will note that smksuperstore charges $108 for the OEM 3200+
while Newegg charges $183. After the Mwave incident, where a
2500+ was remarked to look like a 3200+, I would be very hesitant
to shop for "bargain" 3200+ processors. Maybe looking for
a bargain on a much lower speed processor would be OK, as the
profit to be made by remarking the processor would be so much lower.
Stick with a store that has some kind of reputation to protect.
If they get caught remarking processors, they will act all innocent
and go "my distributor cheated me". The fact that they can offer the
processor for a ridiculously low price, means they are getting the
processor from a dubious source ("off the back of a truck, in
a dark alley").

This is the table I like for processor info:

http://www.qdi.nl/support/CPUQDISocketA.htm

The 3200+ is 2200MHz and CPU clock is 200MHz. That makes the
multiplier 11x.

I hope the 1008 BIOS allows you to achieve FSB400. The 1008 BIOS
is supposed to make FSB400 possible. Before that BIOS, the 1.04
board could typically use a 180-185MHz or so clock, and wouldn't
run at the full 200MHz for FSB400. At one time, before the BIOS
was available, some people were volt modding the CM3708
regulator, to get FSB400. I don't know how a BIOS upgrade makes
FSB400 possible.

Another alternative, is to buy an AthlonXP-M processor,
as the multiplier is unlocked, and with a bit of extra Vcore
applied, they can easily run at the equivalent of a 3200+ or
higher speeds. Read the "reviews" links on this page:

(Various mobiles - a 2500 or 2600 mobile seems popular. Only buy
the ones that say "Socket A", not the 2000+ at the bottom of the
page. The 2000+ uses the wrong socket.)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...&maxprice=&mfrcode=1028&DEPA=0&InnerManu=1028

(Some comments from a review link)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-401&depa=0

HTH,
Paul
 
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Anthony

Thx a lot for that detailed reply , on price watch there are about 20 online
stores , a lot of them BBB rated that have the chip for under 120.00 and as
far as the 1008 bios making FSB 400 work I emailed ASUS customer support to
make sure of this before I purchase the chip..thx again , I will check the
links you provided. Worse comes to worse I think there is a AMD 3200 that is
not a FSB 400 chip so I am positive I can use that one..
 
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Anthony

This is what the ASUS customer service rep told me in an email I just
recieved..

" My name is ZYC, and I would be assisting you today.

You can use max to AMD ATHLON XP3200+@400mhz fsb . If you want to update to
3200+ ,you have to reduce memory speed to dual channel ddr333 mode ot keep
system stable."

Shit so why make a bios to allow 400 FSB and then need to slow down the
memory speed to keep stability? Any opinions? Should I just settle for a
3000 which is not 400 FSB and keep my DDR 400 at max speed or does setting
it at 333 and using the 3200 a better idea?
 
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Paul

"Anthony" said:
This is what the ASUS customer service rep told me in an email I just
recieved..

" My name is ZYC, and I would be assisting you today.

You can use max to AMD ATHLON XP3200+@400mhz fsb . If you want to update to
3200+ ,you have to reduce memory speed to dual channel ddr333 mode ot keep
system stable."

Shit so why make a bios to allow 400 FSB and then need to slow down the
memory speed to keep stability? Any opinions? Should I just settle for a
3000 which is not 400 FSB and keep my DDR 400 at max speed or does setting
it at 333 and using the 3200 a better idea?

I think ZYC has given you the answer for an A7N8X-VM/400. That
board needs DDR333 to keep the build-in graphics core stable.
I'm not aware of any need to slow down memory on the other
full sized A7N8X family boards. The original Anandtech review
ran the Nforce2 at DDR400 no problem. Dual channel Nforce2 chipsets
have three address busses and two data busses, which gives those
boards pretty well the best buffered DIMM slots of any
Asus motherboard. If the manual says DDR400, then it will run
DDR400.

As for settings, running processor and memory synced is best.
That means FSB400 with DDR400 and FSB333 with DDR333.

You have two pieces of information to go on. The manual that came
with your motherboard, says PC3200 memory is supported. Then, on
the cpusupport web page, it says you can use a 3200+/FSB400
processor, if your board is at least revision 1.04 (which you've
got) and at least BIOS 1004 (yours is better, as it is 1008). It
sounds to me like you are all set.

If your board really is a A7N8X-VM or A7N8X-VM/400, then there can
be issues with ram speed. For those boards, one solution is to not
use the onboard graphics and use a video card like a FX5200 or better.
For the -VM, that allows DDR400 to be used. I don't think the VM/400
has the logic in its BIOS, to benefit from the use of a video card,
and I haven't seen any user reports of what happens when you try a
separate video card with the VM/400. Since the -VM boards have no
adjustments to speak of in the BIOS, there isn't much you can do to
them.

With the A7N8X, you can always adjust the clocks on it, to get
the new processor to work. You could buy a 2500+/FSB333 and try
overclocking the thing to FSB400 (many people do that, and get the
equivalent of a 3200+ in performance, at a 2500+ price). Or,
buy your 3200+/FSB400 and if it crashes, slowly turn down the FSB
until it works.

If you go to http://www.cpudatabase.com/CPUdb and select Barton
2500+ from the AMD menu, you'll see entries like this. This
is a 2500+ running faster than a 3200+ (which is 2200MHz).

2400 1.90 AQXDA 0322 Asus A7N8X rev 1.04 watercooled

Mobile processors (AthlonXP-M in socket A package) are also
fun to overclock, but I don't know if there are any issues
with multiplier selection on your board or not. Again, you can
look at the cpudatabase web page, as mobile processors are also
listed there.

Finally, look over on nforcershq.com and read a few posts over
there. They have a search engine, and you could try A7N8X 3200+
as search terms, remembering to click the "find all terms" button,
so the terms are all found in the same message.

Even if you have trouble, if this is a legit 3200+, you can always
sell it. Or, even pick up another motherboard, if you have to. The
Abit NF7-S is highly regarded.

Paul
 
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Anthony

Thx Paul you rock dude..Just one more question , when using a 400FSB chip do
I have to change the jumper on the motherboard or leave it jumpered the way
it is now at 333/266 instead of the 200 setting.Thx again my friend.
 
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Paul

"Anthony" said:
Thx Paul you rock dude..Just one more question , when using a 400FSB chip do
I have to change the jumper on the motherboard or leave it jumpered the way
it is now at 333/266 instead of the 200 setting.Thx again my friend.

I'd say leave it, because I haven't read any posts where people had to
change it. I think that jumper is for jump starting a processor that
refuses to boot, by running it slower.

And, don't take one guys opinions or theories. I recommend Nforcershq,
as there are plenty of actual users who have tried all this stuff.

http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/search.php (Search Query, use top of
two boxes, A7N8X 3200+ , click "Search for all terms", click
"Search")

Examples:
http://nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51403
http://nforcershq.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23939 (overclocker faq)

HTH,
Paul
 
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Ralph Snart

I just upgraded to XP3200+ this weekend with an original A7N8X board (it was
so original, it has BIOS 1001... it was a pain to get it upgraded but now i'm
running on BIOS 1006 with no problems.)

The CPU multiplier is 11x and the FSB is 200mhz (400mhz DDR). Should work fine
with your board, which is clearly newer than mine.
You will note that smksuperstore charges $108 for the OEM 3200+
while Newegg charges $183. After the Mwave incident, where a
2500+ was remarked to look like a 3200+, I would be very hesitant
to shop for "bargain" 3200+ processors. Maybe looking for
a bargain on a much lower speed processor would be OK, as the
profit to be made by remarking the processor would be so much lower.

I usually buy all my components from newegg but their price for the 3200+
was so out of line that I decided to risk getting one of the $108 ones.
According to all the diganostics I've thrown at it, it's a genuine AMD
3200+. I don't know why newegg's price is so high for that item.

I've been running it for five days continuously now and no problems so
I'm feeling happy with my purchase.
I hope the 1008 BIOS allows you to achieve FSB400. The 1008 BIOS
is supposed to make FSB400 possible. Before that BIOS, the 1.04
board could typically use a 180-185MHz or so clock, and wouldn't
run at the full 200MHz for FSB400. At one time, before the BIOS
was available, some people were volt modding the CM3708
regulator, to get FSB400. I don't know how a BIOS upgrade makes
FSB400 possible.

Hmmm, I have a really old A7N8X board but after the BIOS flash
it claims that it's 400mhz all the way down the line. How would I
objectively verify that?

-rs-
 
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Paul

[email protected] wrote: said:
I usually buy all my components from newegg but their price for the 3200+
was so out of line that I decided to risk getting one of the $108 ones.
According to all the diganostics I've thrown at it, it's a genuine AMD
3200+. I don't know why newegg's price is so high for that item.

-rs-

But the ID part of it is what bothers me so much. As far as I can
tell from doing research during the recent Mwave remarking issue,
the info inside the processor chip is enough to tell you it is a
Barton (model 10), but that is all. Since one silicon die is used
for all the Barton speed grades, no info finer grained than that
is stored in the silicon itself. It is all coded with bridges,
like whether it is a mobile chip or not, for example.

So, if I mess about with the bridges on the top of the chip, the
BIOS will dutifully report the new chip ID.

The only thing that stops remarking processors:

1) Idiot remarks processor, but doesn't check whether it actually
boots and runs stable at the new speed. That is what tweaked
the poor user in the Mwave incident. The 2500+ or whatever they
used, wouldn't run at 3200+.
2) Poor cosmetic work. Sloppy label with bad fonts. Bridge mods
visible to the naked eye.

One user in this group, reported his processor was running at
1.85 volts, implying the bridges that control VID had been
adjusted to request extra voltage from the Vcore circuit. This
_could_ be an attempt by a remarker, to get enough Vcore to run
a balky 2500+ at 3200+ speeds. The default Vcore should be
lower than that.

At one time, I wouldn't have really cared if someone on this
group said they wanted to buy a 3200+, but if there really
isn't any way to tell they are genuine, maybe people are better
off buying a 2500+ and overclocking it themselves by bumping
the FSB. So, I hope you are right about the diagnostics, and
that there is some way to tell they are genuine.

I noticed on some older AMD products, that the particulars of
the chip were printed on the die itself, on the protective
coating on the outside of the die. I don't see that label
in pictures any more, so I guess they stopped doing that ?

Paul
 
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Ralph Snart

The only thing that stops remarking processors:

1) Idiot remarks processor, but doesn't check whether it actually
boots and runs stable at the new speed. That is what tweaked
the poor user in the Mwave incident. The 2500+ or whatever they
used, wouldn't run at 3200+.
2) Poor cosmetic work. Sloppy label with bad fonts. Bridge mods
visible to the naked eye.

damn, i wish i had taken a picture of the chip before i installed it.
i've seen my fair share of AMD chips and this one looked genuine,
it said 3200+ on it and there was nothing visibly weird about the
bridges.

can you recommend a good benchmark tool to test processor speed and
memory throughput?

-rs-
 

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