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Bob Phillips
You are flogging a dead horse
Bob
Bob
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then Bob, How come you are still here?
Bob Phillips said:You are flogging a dead horse
Bob
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Guest
gotto sleep...I'll be back on the thread tomorrow or post it back
again...thanks a lot for your sincere participation...
again...thanks a lot for your sincere participation...
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Biff
I would occasionally "check-mark replies". I used to access through the
"old" web interface. It wasn't as bad as this newer version. When MS dumped
the older version I switched to using OE.
I think that having an MVP "endorse" or "approve" replies is a good idea.
Biff
"old" web interface. It wasn't as bad as this newer version. When MS dumped
the older version I switched to using OE.
I think that having an MVP "endorse" or "approve" replies is a good idea.
Biff
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Biff
Well, several MVP's have already replied and I agree with what they've said.
As to the subject of the post, there are no guarantees!
Biff
As to the subject of the post, there are no guarantees!
Biff
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Epinn
I am a regular user of this forum and I would like to say something.
When I first started using MS newsgroup(s), I did it through web interface. I made a point to rate the answers so as to show my appreciation. One day, I realize that most experts, MVP's etc. don't use web interface. So, I do what the experts do and I have switched to OE, Google etc. From then on, I have stopped rating the answers as there is no way to do it through OE or Google.
I always believe that the poster is free to choose from the various solutions suggested by the gurus. He/she is responsible for the consequence of his/her decision. Anyone who provides an answer is a volunteer with a helping heart. I don't pay anyone any money and therefore I don't demand. Do Excel consultants provide guarantees when clients pay them big money? I am not sure. Outside MS, I constantly find bugs in systems even when I pay for service.
About the Excel Help, I have found more mistakes than I want to. I am a fan of SUMPRODUCT which is not truly explained in the Help files. If I only confine myself to the Help files I would have missed out a lot and I mean a lot. Shall we include the SUMPRODUCT paper as part of Excel Help?
I always look for quality and I am happy with the advice and guidance I get from this forum. If one expert inadvertently made a typo, someone else would probably catch it.
I am not sure what you are *truly* after. Life is full of risks.
Off topic - The consumer report says that we shouldn't bother with extended *warranty*; it's a waste of money!
I thought I could keep quiet for a few days ......
Epinn
Considering that we are under the Microsoft Forum Domain and as a simple
excel user. I need to know what are the guarantee we can obtain from 3rd
party Add Ins or formula building in standard excel program considering the
following.
1. Excel program always upgrade itself..Will the suggested formula building
thru 3rd party suggestions be guaranteed as integral part of any excel
upgrade?
2. If there are formula suggested under this forum that are not covered by
the Help Files samples and Function description, will this microsoft forum
guarantee the CHECKED MARKS and such checked marks will be integral to all
the succeeding microsoft Upgrades. I am not foolish to obtain any suggestion
even they are CHECKED if these suggestions are not explained or distinguished
precisely by microsoft help files considering the risk in the future that I
may not able to use the old MS files, utilizing unexplained formula
structuring by the excel programmers himself or MS Support files.
I hope you can bother to give comments since excel's future is based on the
present.
thanks for any clear and guaranteed reply..
When I first started using MS newsgroup(s), I did it through web interface. I made a point to rate the answers so as to show my appreciation. One day, I realize that most experts, MVP's etc. don't use web interface. So, I do what the experts do and I have switched to OE, Google etc. From then on, I have stopped rating the answers as there is no way to do it through OE or Google.
I always believe that the poster is free to choose from the various solutions suggested by the gurus. He/she is responsible for the consequence of his/her decision. Anyone who provides an answer is a volunteer with a helping heart. I don't pay anyone any money and therefore I don't demand. Do Excel consultants provide guarantees when clients pay them big money? I am not sure. Outside MS, I constantly find bugs in systems even when I pay for service.
About the Excel Help, I have found more mistakes than I want to. I am a fan of SUMPRODUCT which is not truly explained in the Help files. If I only confine myself to the Help files I would have missed out a lot and I mean a lot. Shall we include the SUMPRODUCT paper as part of Excel Help?
I always look for quality and I am happy with the advice and guidance I get from this forum. If one expert inadvertently made a typo, someone else would probably catch it.
I am not sure what you are *truly* after. Life is full of risks.
Off topic - The consumer report says that we shouldn't bother with extended *warranty*; it's a waste of money!
I thought I could keep quiet for a few days ......
Epinn
Considering that we are under the Microsoft Forum Domain and as a simple
excel user. I need to know what are the guarantee we can obtain from 3rd
party Add Ins or formula building in standard excel program considering the
following.
1. Excel program always upgrade itself..Will the suggested formula building
thru 3rd party suggestions be guaranteed as integral part of any excel
upgrade?
2. If there are formula suggested under this forum that are not covered by
the Help Files samples and Function description, will this microsoft forum
guarantee the CHECKED MARKS and such checked marks will be integral to all
the succeeding microsoft Upgrades. I am not foolish to obtain any suggestion
even they are CHECKED if these suggestions are not explained or distinguished
precisely by microsoft help files considering the risk in the future that I
may not able to use the old MS files, utilizing unexplained formula
structuring by the excel programmers himself or MS Support files.
I hope you can bother to give comments since excel's future is based on the
present.
thanks for any clear and guaranteed reply..
B
Bob Phillips
Biff said:I would occasionally "check-mark replies". I used to access through the
"old" web interface. It wasn't as bad as this newer version. When MS dumped
the older version I switched to using OE.
I think that having an MVP "endorse" or "approve" replies is a good idea.
I disagree. MVPs carry no more authority than anyone else, the award is
based upon their readiness to support communities, and the amount that they
do. Quality is an element, but there is no benchmark that I know of
associated with the award. There is no suggestion that an MVP is smarter,
better at Excel, or anything else than say you for an example.
The thought that an MVPs answer or opinion but come to be regards as the
'right' response just because they be an MVP sends a shiver down my spine.
I would also guess that there would be few MVPs who would care to be
carrying out the admin task of endorsing or approving the reply. What
happens when an MVP endorses a reply and it is wrong?
B
Bob Phillips
Because I am interested in what the others have to say. Your point is well
intentioned but misguided IMO, but I can still listen to you.
--
HTH
Bob Phillips
(replace xxxx in the email address with gmail if mailing direct)
intentioned but misguided IMO, but I can still listen to you.
--
HTH
Bob Phillips
(replace xxxx in the email address with gmail if mailing direct)
B
Bob Phillips
Well said. Encapsulates my views, but more eloquently said.
Bob
I am a regular user of this forum and I would like to say something.
When I first started using MS newsgroup(s), I did it through web interface.
I made a point to rate the answers so as to show my appreciation. One day,
I realize that most experts, MVP's etc. don't use web interface. So, I do
what the experts do and I have switched to OE, Google etc. From then on, I
have stopped rating the answers as there is no way to do it through OE or
Google.
I always believe that the poster is free to choose from the various
solutions suggested by the gurus. He/she is responsible for the consequence
of his/her decision. Anyone who provides an answer is a volunteer with a
helping heart. I don't pay anyone any money and therefore I don't demand.
Do Excel consultants provide guarantees when clients pay them big money? I
am not sure. Outside MS, I constantly find bugs in systems even when I pay
for service.
About the Excel Help, I have found more mistakes than I want to. I am a fan
of SUMPRODUCT which is not truly explained in the Help files. If I only
confine myself to the Help files I would have missed out a lot and I mean a
lot. Shall we include the SUMPRODUCT paper as part of Excel Help?
I always look for quality and I am happy with the advice and guidance I get
from this forum. If one expert inadvertently made a typo, someone else
would probably catch it.
I am not sure what you are *truly* after. Life is full of risks.
Off topic - The consumer report says that we shouldn't bother with extended
*warranty*; it's a waste of money!
I thought I could keep quiet for a few days ......
Epinn
Bob
I am a regular user of this forum and I would like to say something.
When I first started using MS newsgroup(s), I did it through web interface.
I made a point to rate the answers so as to show my appreciation. One day,
I realize that most experts, MVP's etc. don't use web interface. So, I do
what the experts do and I have switched to OE, Google etc. From then on, I
have stopped rating the answers as there is no way to do it through OE or
Google.
I always believe that the poster is free to choose from the various
solutions suggested by the gurus. He/she is responsible for the consequence
of his/her decision. Anyone who provides an answer is a volunteer with a
helping heart. I don't pay anyone any money and therefore I don't demand.
Do Excel consultants provide guarantees when clients pay them big money? I
am not sure. Outside MS, I constantly find bugs in systems even when I pay
for service.
About the Excel Help, I have found more mistakes than I want to. I am a fan
of SUMPRODUCT which is not truly explained in the Help files. If I only
confine myself to the Help files I would have missed out a lot and I mean a
lot. Shall we include the SUMPRODUCT paper as part of Excel Help?
I always look for quality and I am happy with the advice and guidance I get
from this forum. If one expert inadvertently made a typo, someone else
would probably catch it.
I am not sure what you are *truly* after. Life is full of risks.
Off topic - The consumer report says that we shouldn't bother with extended
*warranty*; it's a waste of money!
I thought I could keep quiet for a few days ......
Epinn
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Don Guillett
I also agree and would like to point out that many times there is no
"correct" answer because, as we all know, there are many ways to do the same
thing in Excel. All correct. And, since we are all human, we all make
mistakes. I sometimes catch others mistakes and they catch mine. This is
helpful to all, including you.
"correct" answer because, as we all know, there are many ways to do the same
thing in Excel. All correct. And, since we are all human, we all make
mistakes. I sometimes catch others mistakes and they catch mine. This is
helpful to all, including you.
G
Guest
Right Don.........and many times it's not as hard to figure out an Excel
answer to an OP's question, as it is to interpret exactly what the Op is
looking for from their usually "non-excel terminology".
Vaya con Dios,
Chuck, CABGx3
answer to an OP's question, as it is to interpret exactly what the Op is
looking for from their usually "non-excel terminology".
Vaya con Dios,
Chuck, CABGx3
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Epinn
I want to add something.
Only the person asking the question sees the *entire* picture of his/her own needs (well, I am not surprised if that's not the case sometimes). A lot of times, posters answer questions based on a small piece of the puzzle. Therefore, they shouldn't be responsible for the outcome of anyone's project. The project members are responsible for *testing* the solutions suggested *in depth*.
Let's say someone gave you a wrong answer and your project fell apart and you got fired (God forbid). In what way do you expect your *guarantee* translate to? Sue someone for your loss?
About compatibility with future upgrade, I want to quote what the mutual fund companies always say, "Past performance does not guarantee future results." Maybe I/we should include this disclaimer when I/we answer posts. <g>
Although I have a lot of respect for most MVP's, I agree with Bob's view. My understanding is that the award is given based on *past* performance i.e. the performance during the previous year. It is questionable if the MVP will be re-awarded after the current year. There are a few factors that MS considers. If an MVP is not re-awarded as a result of lack of contribution due to time constraint, I don't think his/her expertise/opinion loses value just because MS doesn't *label* him/her as MVP. Also, I have seen MVP's spitting abusive comments in another forum. So, what’s in a name?
All in all, we are responsible for our own action. In closing, I want to quote Shakespeare ……
By any other word would smell as sweet."
--From Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2) <<
Epinn
Considering that we are under the Microsoft Forum Domain and as a simple
excel user. I need to know what are the guarantee we can obtain from 3rd
party Add Ins or formula building in standard excel program considering the
following.
1. Excel program always upgrade itself..Will the suggested formula building
thru 3rd party suggestions be guaranteed as integral part of any excel
upgrade?
2. If there are formula suggested under this forum that are not covered by
the Help Files samples and Function description, will this microsoft forum
guarantee the CHECKED MARKS and such checked marks will be integral to all
the succeeding microsoft Upgrades. I am not foolish to obtain any suggestion
even they are CHECKED if these suggestions are not explained or distinguished
precisely by microsoft help files considering the risk in the future that I
may not able to use the old MS files, utilizing unexplained formula
structuring by the excel programmers himself or MS Support files.
I hope you can bother to give comments since excel's future is based on the
present.
thanks for any clear and guaranteed reply..
Only the person asking the question sees the *entire* picture of his/her own needs (well, I am not surprised if that's not the case sometimes). A lot of times, posters answer questions based on a small piece of the puzzle. Therefore, they shouldn't be responsible for the outcome of anyone's project. The project members are responsible for *testing* the solutions suggested *in depth*.
Let's say someone gave you a wrong answer and your project fell apart and you got fired (God forbid). In what way do you expect your *guarantee* translate to? Sue someone for your loss?
About compatibility with future upgrade, I want to quote what the mutual fund companies always say, "Past performance does not guarantee future results." Maybe I/we should include this disclaimer when I/we answer posts. <g>
Although I have a lot of respect for most MVP's, I agree with Bob's view. My understanding is that the award is given based on *past* performance i.e. the performance during the previous year. It is questionable if the MVP will be re-awarded after the current year. There are a few factors that MS considers. If an MVP is not re-awarded as a result of lack of contribution due to time constraint, I don't think his/her expertise/opinion loses value just because MS doesn't *label* him/her as MVP. Also, I have seen MVP's spitting abusive comments in another forum. So, what’s in a name?
All in all, we are responsible for our own action. In closing, I want to quote Shakespeare ……
By any other word would smell as sweet."
--From Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2) <<
Epinn
Considering that we are under the Microsoft Forum Domain and as a simple
excel user. I need to know what are the guarantee we can obtain from 3rd
party Add Ins or formula building in standard excel program considering the
following.
1. Excel program always upgrade itself..Will the suggested formula building
thru 3rd party suggestions be guaranteed as integral part of any excel
upgrade?
2. If there are formula suggested under this forum that are not covered by
the Help Files samples and Function description, will this microsoft forum
guarantee the CHECKED MARKS and such checked marks will be integral to all
the succeeding microsoft Upgrades. I am not foolish to obtain any suggestion
even they are CHECKED if these suggestions are not explained or distinguished
precisely by microsoft help files considering the risk in the future that I
may not able to use the old MS files, utilizing unexplained formula
structuring by the excel programmers himself or MS Support files.
I hope you can bother to give comments since excel's future is based on the
present.
thanks for any clear and guaranteed reply..
G
Guest
zzzzzzzz?
Epinn said:I want to add something.
Only the person asking the question sees the *entire* picture of his/her own needs (well, I am not surprised if that's not the case sometimes). A lot of times, posters answer questions based on a small piece of the puzzle. Therefore, they shouldn't be responsible for the outcome of anyone's project. The project members are responsible for *testing* the solutions suggested *in depth*.
Let's say someone gave you a wrong answer and your project fell apart and you got fired (God forbid). In what way do you expect your *guarantee* translate to? Sue someone for your loss?
About compatibility with future upgrade, I want to quote what the mutual fund companies always say, "Past performance does not guarantee future results." Maybe I/we should include this disclaimer when I/we answer posts. <g>
Although I have a lot of respect for most MVP's, I agree with Bob's view. My understanding is that the award is given based on *past* performance i.e. the performance during the previous year. It is questionable if the MVP will be re-awarded after the current year. There are a few factors that MS considers. If an MVP is not re-awarded as a result of lack of contribution due to time constraint, I don't think his/her expertise/opinion loses value just because MS doesn't *label* him/her as MVP. Also, I have seen MVP's spitting abusive comments in another forum. So, what’s in a name?
All in all, we are responsible for our own action. In closing, I want to quote Shakespeare ……
By any other word would smell as sweet."
--From Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2) <<
Epinn
Considering that we are under the Microsoft Forum Domain and as a simple
excel user. I need to know what are the guarantee we can obtain from 3rd
party Add Ins or formula building in standard excel program considering the
following.
1. Excel program always upgrade itself..Will the suggested formula building
thru 3rd party suggestions be guaranteed as integral part of any excel
upgrade?
2. If there are formula suggested under this forum that are not covered by
the Help Files samples and Function description, will this microsoft forum
guarantee the CHECKED MARKS and such checked marks will be integral to all
the succeeding microsoft Upgrades. I am not foolish to obtain any suggestion
even they are CHECKED if these suggestions are not explained or distinguished
precisely by microsoft help files considering the risk in the future that I
may not able to use the old MS files, utilizing unexplained formula
structuring by the excel programmers himself or MS Support files.
I hope you can bother to give comments since excel's future is based on the
present.
thanks for any clear and guaranteed reply..
K
Ken Johnson
Handy for forcing a row to the bottom of a sorted list.p said:zzzzzzzz?
Ken Johnson
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Epinn
Please note that
TryHarder
driller
4pinoy
art
romelsb
p
are the same person.
Please check out post #9 by Bob
http://groups.google.ca/group/micro...6bdfc?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#4cfaa3b1a326bdfc
Epinn
Ken Johnson
TryHarder
driller
4pinoy
art
romelsb
p
are the same person.
Please check out post #9 by Bob
http://groups.google.ca/group/micro...6bdfc?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#4cfaa3b1a326bdfc
Epinn
Handy for forcing a row to the bottom of a sorted list.zzzzzzzz?
Ken Johnson
B
Bob Phillips
Epinn,
Best to just ignore them. Responding perpetuates the problem.
Bob
Please note that
TryHarder
driller
4pinoy
art
romelsb
p
are the same person.
Please check out post #9 by Bob
http://groups.google.ca/group/microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions/bro
wse_frm/thread/d93736b818eb1bb9/4cfaa3b1a326bdfc?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#4cfa
a3b1a326bdfc
Epinn
Ken Johnson
Best to just ignore them. Responding perpetuates the problem.
Bob
Please note that
TryHarder
driller
4pinoy
art
romelsb
p
are the same person.
Please check out post #9 by Bob
http://groups.google.ca/group/microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions/bro
wse_frm/thread/d93736b818eb1bb9/4cfaa3b1a326bdfc?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#4cfa
a3b1a326bdfc
Epinn
Handy for forcing a row to the bottom of a sorted list.zzzzzzzz?
Ken Johnson
E
Epinn
Yes, I did say I would keep quiet. My goal was not to respond but to alert the folks out there so that they won't waste their time. What is a good way?
Epinn
Epinn,
Best to just ignore them. Responding perpetuates the problem.
Bob
Please note that
TryHarder
driller
4pinoy
art
romelsb
p
are the same person.
Please check out post #9 by Bob
http://groups.google.ca/group/microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions/bro
wse_frm/thread/d93736b818eb1bb9/4cfaa3b1a326bdfc?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#4cfa
a3b1a326bdfc
Epinn
Ken Johnson
Epinn
Epinn,
Best to just ignore them. Responding perpetuates the problem.
Bob
Please note that
TryHarder
driller
4pinoy
art
romelsb
p
are the same person.
Please check out post #9 by Bob
http://groups.google.ca/group/microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions/bro
wse_frm/thread/d93736b818eb1bb9/4cfaa3b1a326bdfc?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#4cfa
a3b1a326bdfc
Epinn
Handy for forcing a row to the bottom of a sorted list.zzzzzzzz?
Ken Johnson
B
Bob Phillips
There isn't one.
--
HTH
Bob Phillips
(replace xxxx in the email address with gmail if mailing direct)
Yes, I did say I would keep quiet. My goal was not to respond but to alert
the folks out there so that they won't waste their time. What is a good
way?
Epinn
Epinn,
Best to just ignore them. Responding perpetuates the problem.
Bob
Please note that
TryHarder
driller
4pinoy
art
romelsb
p
are the same person.
Please check out post #9 by Bob
http://groups.google.ca/group/microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions/bro
wse_frm/thread/d93736b818eb1bb9/4cfaa3b1a326bdfc?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#4cfa
a3b1a326bdfc
Epinn
Ken Johnson
--
HTH
Bob Phillips
(replace xxxx in the email address with gmail if mailing direct)
Yes, I did say I would keep quiet. My goal was not to respond but to alert
the folks out there so that they won't waste their time. What is a good
way?
Epinn
Epinn,
Best to just ignore them. Responding perpetuates the problem.
Bob
Please note that
TryHarder
driller
4pinoy
art
romelsb
p
are the same person.
Please check out post #9 by Bob
http://groups.google.ca/group/microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions/bro
wse_frm/thread/d93736b818eb1bb9/4cfaa3b1a326bdfc?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#4cfa
a3b1a326bdfc
Epinn
Handy for forcing a row to the bottom of a sorted list.zzzzzzzz?
Ken Johnson
G
Guest
Excuse me....literally - please don't mess with this thread for the MVP and
Guru's....and try not to embellish this thread for any advertising tricks.
Guru's....and try not to embellish this thread for any advertising tricks.
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