A bug in applying effects?

[Michel]

My timeline includes, in the middle of a movie, a 1 second clip that is
repeated 4 times successively:
- twice at normal speed,
- then once with the 1/2 speed effect,
- then once with the 1/2 speed effect applied twice (1/4 speed).

Then come other clips at NORMAL speed composing the rest of the movie. The
problem is that the 2 or 3 first of these other clips continue at 1/4 speed,
while it should not. MM2 seems unable to revert to normal speed (at least
before the 3 or 4th clip).

The bug occurs when playing the timeling or when saving to wmv. When saving
to dv-avi, the rendering is OK!

 

[PapaJohn \(MVP\)]

I tried it with a 6 second clip and didn't see the problem on either the
timeline or in a saved WMV movie.

 

[Michel]

PapaJohn,
I confirm the problem occurs and is reproductible.
I can send you the MSWMM file if you wish.
Michel

 

[Not just a nutter]

My timeline includes, in the middle of a movie, a 1 second clip that is
repeated 4 times successively:
- twice at normal speed,
- then once with the 1/2 speed effect,
- then once with the 1/2 speed effect applied twice (1/4 speed).

Then come other clips at NORMAL speed composing the rest of the movie. The
problem is that the 2 or 3 first of these other clips continue at 1/4 speed,
while it should not. MM2 seems unable to revert to normal speed (at least
before the 3 or 4th clip).

The bug occurs when playing the timeling or when saving to wmv. When saving
to dv-avi, the rendering is OK!

Check out "Revenge" in the video section of www.the-kellys.org. That was
made by doubling the speed for the still images many times, and switching
between speeds several times...the whole thing was made using just two
captured images

All the best.....

 

[PapaJohn \(MVP\)]

Michel,

I'd need the source clip with the project file - be glad to check it here.

 

[Michel]

OK, I have seen your nice "Revenge" movie. So what?
Do you mean that you don't beleive me and that the bug I report is just a
product of my imagination?

 

[Michel]

Problem: the source file is a 5.1 Gbytes MiniDV file!
(I will try to reproduce the problem with smaller source files)

 

[Not just a nutter]

OK, I have seen your nice "Revenge" movie. So what?
Do you mean that you don't beleive me and that the bug I report is just a
product of my imagination?

Oh dear...sorry I spoke

....

 

[Not just a nutter]

Actually, I am NOT sorry I spoke...

OK, I have seen your nice "Revenge" movie. So what?
Do you mean that you don't beleive me and that the bug I report is just a
product of my imagination?

You said...
"MM2 seems unable to revert to normal speed (at least
before the 3 or 4th clip)."

My suggestion was meant to show you that MM2 CAN revert to normal speed, it
was intended to be friendly, but I guess you are one of those New Yorkers
that can't stand unsolicited help...I am pleased to say that your type of
response was always laughed at by the majority of New Yorkers that I have
spent time with...in fact...their comment used to be, "If this is the Big
Apple, then that is the worm"

Have a nice day, why don't you ???

 

[Michel]

PapaJohn,

My source file is a 5.2 Gbytes dv-avi file, so I can not send it to you. As
I said, the problem occurs when playing the timeline or when saving to wmv,
but NOT when saving to dv-avi. I isolated the problematic timeline portion
in a apart mswmm file. The problem is still there, so it is no related to
something else on my long and complex original mswmm file.

I tried to reproduce the problem form a small wmv source file: I could'nt.
I also tired form a smaller dv-avi source file (a cut from the original 5.2
Gb dv-avi): I could'nt.

So the problem is related to my original long dv-avi file (coming form a dv
cam).
(It is not really annoying to me since I usually render to dv-avi in order
to encode to mpeg2).

Michel

 

[PapaJohn \(MVP\)]

I'll try it again using a big source file. When you say it's reproducible,
does that mean you can pick a different clip in the same file and get the
same result? or just rendering it a number of times using the same clip in
the same project file?

PapaJohn

 

[Michel]

I mean rendering it a number of times using the same clip but in various
projet files. (I will try using other clips.)

 

[PapaJohn \(MVP\)]

I thought I had a repro on it. I used a one second clip from the middle of a
13 GB source file. The first save showed the problem you described, but when
I went back into the project file I found that the long clip following the
1/4 speed one had somehow picked up the same two slow down effects. When I
cleared them and resaved the movie, it played as you would expect.

PapaJohn

 

[John Kelly]

I thought I had a repro on it. I used a one second clip from the middle of a
13 GB source file. The first save showed the problem you described, but when
I went back into the project file I found that the long clip following the
1/4 speed one had somehow picked up the same two slow down effects. When I
cleared them and resaved the movie, it played as you would expect.

Ah yes, that's happened to me and caught me out several times, I found
that it occurs when you split a clip (of any size) the effect will appear in
both clips...so I now look at the beginning of the second segment to
determine if the little blue start is there...if so I go check out the
effects.

Regards.....JK

 

[Michel]

In my case, I could not deselect the effect on the clip following the 1/4
speed one as the effect it had picked up was not shown.
Also, it is strange that the problem was only when playing the timeling or
saving to wmv and NOT when saving to dv-avi. What do you thing about that?

 

[John Kelly]

Well, some would call it an undocumented feature, others might say its one
of the wonderful nuances of Movie Maker but most would say, Its a Bug.

My solution to that would be remove all effects before splitting the clip
and then apply the effects where you want them.

 

[PapaJohn]

Michel,

Are you saying that you checked the clip and found the effect applied?

 

[Michel]

No, on the contrary, there was no "blue star" and nothing in the "video
effects" > "displayed effects" list.

 

[PapaJohn]

OK - than we didn't get the same results.