4GB memory

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B. Smith

B. Smith said:
Lets see...cause it don't lock up all the time.
Read on and on about 64bit issues with 32bit apps.

My 32 bit will last 10 years.
Guarenteed.

64bit is too far ahead.
They are selling them cause they are stuck with 64 bit CPU's and cheap
RAM.

Its all overstock.
That's why a 64bit 8GB RAM system comes with a 6150 in-board graphics.
Real future proof...LOL.
And only $900 bucks !

My 2 year old system smokes it.
SMOKES IT.

HP hires Yes men.
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That's 64bit OS's they are stuck with, not CPU's.
And Gateway hires Yesmen too.

LOL.

The dump truck pulled into the store while I was there.

Their computers suck.

Such crap.

No wonder users hate Vista.

If I had one of those pieces of crap...I'd hate Vista too.
 
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Spanky deMonkey, ESQ

[signious] ^ 2 said:
the number of users has nothing to do with the value and quality of a
product, nor can it reveal its future.
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Yes, the number of uses hovers around 2500. That is the total for the
planet.

The future is clear for Linux and Ubuntu. Look who they have as their
Marketing Department - Alias. Need I say more?
But I will tell you what the future is. Everything will be based on linux,
windows will be only a distant memory. Vista will be like a long forgotten
nightmare.
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The future is sticking your head back up your ass where it belongs as you
have no clue what is going on.
 
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B. Smith

Claude Hopper said:
I'll just boot to Linux so I can use all the memory 32 or 64 bit.
I've had boolean algebra. I can do base 2, base 10 and base 16 math.
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Base 10 ?
LOL.
I'd hope so.
Every 1st grader has mastered base 10.
Base 2 ?
1 -1010?
LOL.
Base 16 ?
1-A?

Excellent.

Now find a use for it.

In linux, hopefully.
Losers seem drawn to linux.
You'll need a basement...and a possessive mother.
 
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the wharf rat

600Mhz P3's run linux too.
I don't want one.
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Lol, humming away over there in the corner is a AMD K6-3 450
I've had overclocked to 600 since the day I put it together from surplus
laptop parts in 1997 or 1998. I use it for a router; it's got a bunch of
those quad port Intel NICs in it. Way faster than a P3, cause of the onboard
cache (512k!) gets overclocked too.

Oh yeah, and of course, it doesn't run Windows... :)
 
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Synapse Syndrome

the wharf rat said:
Lol, humming away over there in the corner is a AMD K6-3 450
I've had overclocked to 600 since the day I put it together from surplus
laptop parts in 1997 or 1998. I use it for a router; it's got a bunch of
those quad port Intel NICs in it. Way faster than a P3, cause of the
onboard cache (512k!) gets overclocked too.

Oh yeah, and of course, it doesn't run Windows... :)
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We did that in our student house in the academic year 2001/2002 using a 386
with no hard drive, and Smoothwall on floppy. The PSU died after a while,
after which a couple of us chipped in to buy a router with no built-in
switch, modem or WAP, and which still cost a lot those days.

ss.
 
J

James Johnson

Ken,

wonder if you could clear something up for me. I am running Vista Ultimate
64 bit. I understand the 4 GB address space limitation of the 32 bit version
and from what I've read the 64 bit version allocates 4 GB address space
using the WOW64 for 32 bit apps. Since the OS (64 bit) doesn't need to share
this space, the whole 4GB is available to the 32 bit app. if it is compiled
with a large address space switch or something of that nature.. In the
articles I've read there seems to be a lot of confusion here. Some have said
that the switch is only for apps running on the 32 bit version and that it
doesn't make any difference on the 64 bit version (I guess meaning all 32
bit apps on 64 bit will have the 4 GB space available to it). I kind of
think that the flag or switch would need to be set in either case, but I'm
not sure. One article said that most developers set that flag on their 32
bit apps as it doesn't hurt anything (I think that some other boot flag
would have to be set in conjunction with it on 32 bit systems etc.) Could
you please help clear this up for me. Seems the more stuff you read on the
web the more confused you get lol. Thanks for your help.

Jim
 
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the wharf rat

its using far way more energy (watts) than a normal router.... its costing
you more in the long run and pollutes the earth...
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Don't be silly. First of all, the longer I keep all that plastic
and heavy metal out of a landfill the better as far as pollution goes.
Secondly, a K6/3 only draws about 20 watts - it's a laptop processor after
all - and if the whole thing draws as much as 50 I'd be surprised. An ASA
5510 draws 150 watts, and you can't get 10 interfaces into one...

Speaking fron the standpoint of industrial ecology it's generally
true that reuse is more efficient than replacement. A brand new Honda
generates much less pollution than a 69 VW Beetle, but the environmental
impact of building that Honda and bringing it to market outweighs the
extra environmental cost of operating the Bug. Computers are like that,
too.
get rid of it
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Nahhh, it's way cool! K6/3's were pretty rare, it's like the
ultimate Socket 7 machine! Lol :) Anyway, it's pretty hard to find a
system I can fit ten ethernet ports into. (It's actually got 13, but
one of the cards is one of those wierd Dlink hub cards where it's got
4 ports but only one is an actual NIC, the other 3 are a hub...)
 
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Tim Slattery

Bob Campbell said:
No 32 bit OS can use more than 4 GB. It is mathematically impossible. If
you are talking about PAE, that is 36 bits, and Windows can do that to.
But it is not 32 bits. It is also a kludge.
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Only Windows Server OSs can use PAE to access more than 4GB or RAM.
Vista and XP cannot do that.
 
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the wharf rat

Isn't amazing how many people have "old computers running Linux as a
router"? Is that all it's good for? You could install Windows 2000 on
such a machine and do the same thing. What would be the point? You can
buy a router for $40.
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Well, not, you can't use Windows 2000 the same way. For one
thing there's no firewall. VLANs require third party software. You can
only build PPTP VPNs. You can't do traffic shaping. Monitoring traffic
requires third party software. You can't easily set up multiple routes
to the same subnet (with different weights, for redundancy). Multiple
default routes are impossible. Remote administration sucks.

Oh, and, of course, the Windows 2000 license costs 10 times
what the box is worth...

I guess when I said "router" you heard "ICS", huh?
 
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the wharf rat

my modem router uses less than 10 watts and it's a modem as well as a router
so its 2 in one
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Well, cool. Does it use extra power when you need to bring up
an IPSEC tunnel to a remote site? Sometimes the encryption overhead
pushes those tiny little CPUs pretty hard. And is the second modem - you
know, the one that provides the redundant connection - built in? Because
if it's not you're cheating if you don't count its power consumption too.

Oh, and while I'm sure a fancy unit like yours doesn't have this
problem, most of those 2 in one 7 watt modem router thingies don't deal
with the idea of having multiple subnets behind the LAN interface very
well. In fact, they don't deal with it *at* *all* no matter HOW many
watts you throw at it. I guess you could just get one for each subnet.
And a cable connection too. It's still less power until you hit connection
number five. Of course, the subnets won't be able to talk to each other
very well, hmmmm. Maybe that's just the price of being green.

I guess when I said "router" you heard "ICS", huh?
if you don't think 50 watts is too much for a stupid "cool" router..
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It's not a stupid router! It's a very very smart router with
all kinds of ports and slots and it didn't cost me 2700 dollars just
for the hardware either.
 
P

Peter Foldes

This I also want to hear. How so? I am posting from a 32 bit OS W2K3 with well over
4 Gigs of RAM and never had an issue with no drivers or kludging as you interpret
the word.

At least admit to yourself that you are completely wrong here
 
B

Bill Yanaire

B. Smith said:
An 8 GB RAM system with a NV6150 onboard graphics solution is wasted RAM.
Even with that ...64-bit Windows runs like a slug.
Consumer scamming is never a good idea.
Cheap RAM is the reason for that set-up...not the consumer.
You are dismissed.
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Must have had a bad experience in the Armed Services. You certainly dismiss
quite a few around here. Now drop to the floor and give me 20
 
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the wharf rat

Drivers that don't support PAE will crash, and most in the ecosystem don't
support it. This is why it was removed from the client releases.
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Why does it work so well for server systems then? 99% of the
time the use the same drivers...

Frankly if this is an accurate description it's a mis-design.
Initmate details of memory management should never escape the guts of
the kernel. No reason for a driver to crash because it's mapped to a
virtual space.
 
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Debby Hanoka

My PC has 6000 GB of RAM.

My goodness, that's a lot of RAM! More than I ever imagined!

All I have is 2 GB. I feel so deprived.

Debby
 

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