400w PSU run hotter than 300w PSU with same system?

K

Kerry

Hi,

I'm buying a new power supply for my system, but all the other parts are
staying the same.

If I buy a 400w power supply will it run hotter and use more electricity
than a 300w power supply when powering the same components?


Thank you,

-Kerry
 
M

Matt

Kerry said:
Hi,

I'm buying a new power supply for my system, but all the other parts are
staying the same.

If I buy a 400w power supply will it run hotter and use more electricity
than a 300w power supply when powering the same components?

It will produce about the same amount of waste heat, unless its
efficiency is very different. Unless I am wrong, there is not a huge
difference in efficiencies of different PSUs.
 
C

callsignviper

Kerry said:
Hi,

I'm buying a new power supply for my system, but all the other parts are
staying the same.

If I buy a 400w power supply will it run hotter and use more electricity
than a 300w power supply when powering the same components?

Since "all the other parts are staying the same" the 400 Watt P/S will
supply the same amount of power that your 300 Watt P/S was sending to your
system. Just because a P/S is "rated" at 400 Watts or whatever its rating
does not mean it supplies a constant 400 Watts. It supplies what a system
needs up to its capacity. If the P/S's capacity is exceeded it will
hopefully shut down gracefully without damaging itself or any supplied
components.


If the new P/S has more efficient heatsinks than your older P/S it might
actually run somewhat cooler than the old one for the *same* load.



--
callsignviper


The truth is out there. You just have to look in the right places and ask
the right questions.
 
W

w_tom

A reply to Kerry who did not appear in my newsgroup:
Quite possible that a 300 watt supply could also provide
more power than a 400 watt supply for numerous reasons. Power
consumption would be about same. But a 400 watt supply may,
functionally, not provide as much power. Too many look a
price and total wattage - and therefore end up with an
inferior supply. For example, look at the wattage that
responsible engineers put inside properly designed systems.
Something on the order of 200 watts. However when power
supplies are mismarked, overhyped, missing essential
components, etc, then cloners hype the "Home Improvement"
concept of more power.

Suggest reviewing a previous discussion in
alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt entitled "GOOD power supply
for under $40?" starting 20 Jan 2004 or
http://tinyurl.com/3h6wa

Some have emotional attachments to myths which is why watts
and price rather then specifications and value are promoted.
Most important, does your new supply claim to include those
all so important functions that were even defacto standard 30
years ago - and so often missing in many 'discount' power
supplies with more watts.
 
H

Hawk

If I buy a 400w power supply will it run hotter and use more electricity
than a 300w power supply when powering the same components?
If the new P/S has more efficient heatsinks than your older P/S it might
actually run somewhat cooler than the old one for the *same* load.

Power is Power. If you have two supplies of equal efficiency powering a
given load they will both be generating the same amount of heat. It does
not matter that one supply has 400W capability and the other 300W , so long
as the load does not exceed 300W (or none of the individual power rails
exceed its individual power rating).

If you have a more efficient heat sink on a given component, that component
will indeed run cooler assuming the air flow is the same...but it will still
be dissipating the same amount of power (igoring the miniscule changes in
conductance due to temp of course).


(*>
 
J

jeffc

Kerry said:
Hi,

I'm buying a new power supply for my system, but all the other parts are
staying the same.

If I buy a 400w power supply will it run hotter and use more electricity
than a 300w power supply when powering the same components?

No.
 
J

jeff findley

jeffc said:

This is only true if you assume the new power supply has the same, or
better, efficiency.

The heat generated is a function of the power being drawn and the
efficiency of the power supply. A less efficient power supply will
generate more heat for the same amount of power being drawn by the
PC's components.

This has nothing to do with the maximum rating (in watts) of the
supply.

Jeff
 
M

Martin

w_tom said:
A reply to Kerry who did not appear in my newsgroup:
Quite possible that a 300 watt supply could also provide
more power than a 400 watt supply for numerous reasons.

A 330w supply will not supply any more power than a 400w supply when
connected to the same system.

<Snip adolescent lecture on issue that wasn't raised by OP>

Martin
 
J

jeffc

jeff findley said:
This is only true if you assume the new power supply has the same, or
better, efficiency.

I assumed "all else being equal" went without saying :)
 
J

jeff findley

jeffc said:
I assumed "all else being equal" went without saying :)

Unfortunately, I doubt the original poster knew this. If his goal is
to replace his power supply without increasing the heat output of the
power supply, then looking at the efficiency of the power supply is
the only way to do this. I don't think it's easy to get this sort of
information about a power supply (which is why assuming "all else being
equal" is the easiest thing to do).

http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20040122/

For the computer geek that can't stop reading about new hardware, the
above article not only reviews 15 power supplies, but gives some
guidelines about what to look for when buying a power supply. ;-)

Jeff
 
W

w_tom

One first must learn how to select a power supply (what
specifications are important) to understand, for multiple
reasons, that a 400 watt supply is capable of supplying less
power compared than a 300 watt supply. These 'insufficient
power' problems are directly traceable to those who never
learned facts such as these citations:
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/guides/power/default.asp

http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/02q4/021021/powersupplies-15.html

Provided above is background information necessary to select
power supplies. Failure to learn basic technical facts are
why some 400 watt supplies cannot even output sufficient power
whereas a 300 watt supply could. Demonstrated are functions
of load and of how that wattage is speced. Essential reading
for anyone who would insult others before learning. Being
technically ill informed is common among 'computer experts'
who recommend only on price or total wattage.

Kerry should be asking what essential functions are
necessary in the supply since total wattage and efficiency are
irrelevant. Information in those above citations demonstrate
just some of what is important in power supplies - which is
why a 300 watt supply could even provide more useful power
than a 400 watt supply. Forget about efficiencies and total
wattage. Worry about what a power supply must really do and
whether necessary functions are included. Worry first most if
that supply even provides a long list of numeric
specifications.

Only the misguided believe 400 watt supplies will always
output more power. Depends even on how they are playing
specmanship games. Martin should have known about these
common power supply vendor problems before posting
inaccurately - a subtle hint, Martin, that you probably have a
few less decades of professional experience.
 
K

Ken

I'm buying a new power supply for my system, but
all the other parts are staying the same.
If I buy a 400w power supply will it run hotter
and use more electricity than a 300w power supply
when powering the same components?

No.
 

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