Twayne said:Ahh, the typical response of one who doesn't know what to say. Prove me
wrong and I won't be able to say those things. Go ahead, prove registry
cleaners can not do anything good and that they are all snake oil. If
you've kept track, that's the start of these threads.
If you call the expression of opinions and supporting evidence trolling,
then so be it. That's how closed minds operate. If I'm wrong, prove it.
Prove registry cleaners are no good and are snake oil.
Don Schmidt said:Seems both my and Microsoft believe in top posting (when responding, the
cursor defaults to the top of the page) and alerting the message isn't a
problem.
Twayne said:You are a troll, you have never provided any supporting documents for
your claims and all you can do is provide SPAM in your feeble attempts
to support your opinions! Registry cleaners are nothing but snake oil
promoted by snakes in the grass!
Twayne said:As I said in another response, the burden of proof is on you. So far,
you have regurgitated a sales pitch by a Russian software company..
Twayne said:I have already told you.
MS Regclean kept the size of the Win 9x registry to a size where it
would not cause the OS to crash.
NT does not crash if the registry grows, and it ignores orphaned
entries..
Registry cleaners which claim to fix registry problems more often
than not stop the OS working completely. One only has to look at
posts re registry cleaner use in these newsgroups.
Your 'education' is a regurgitation of a sales pitch used by authors
of registry cleaners. It proves nothing.
The burden of proof is on you. Find just one article where data shows
that a registry cleaner did anything more than remove stuff which
could have been left where it was, or completely stop an OS in its
tracks if all functions of the registry cleaner were brought into
play..
My guess is that you have a vested interest in a registry cleaner..
Yup; I'm aware of that one. You will notice that even MS's own SDK canTwayne said:How about these archived Google discussions:
http://tinyurl.com/5zfevg I will not click a faked URL. Who knows
where those might go? http://tinyurl.com/6elcdy
http://tinyurl.com/6dhtq8
http://tinyurl.com/5hmvrt
http://tinyurl.com/62p9n2
http://tinyurl.com/6mt37x
or these:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951950
That one's news to me, but:
Of course in your usual dense blockhead manner you will brush those
proofs aside and still insist that everyone but you have closed minds
and that the ones who originally posted their problems are lying.
We've come to expect this from you. A short while ago I asked you to
post links and prove another one of your outlandish buffoonish claims
and as usual you couldn't provide anything. Now, as if you aren't
enough of a troll, you have sunk to new lows by resorting to spam to
spread your ignorant opinions.
John
Twayne said:Where did win98 come from? Redirection attempt maybe? OK, I accept it.
That's one. But at least it's an empirical fact mostly backed by valid
information. But you can't paint the whole world based on an average of
one any more than I can paint all MVPs as ignorant because one says
registry cleaners are all bad.
And, that proves what? An improvement over 98? Duhh!
I don't know of any registry cleaner that does NOT claim to fix registry
problems.
And of the ones I have used over the years, not a single one has ever
stopped the OS from working completely. Never. On several hundred
machines total. Often they didn't help anything; but they never did harm
either, especially to the point of rendering a system unusable of
unbootable.
So ... I've expressed experience but you only expressed opinion. Got
more? I'm serious, actually. I have not yet seen a registry cleaner I've
used trash a machine - where the heck do all the myths about "more often
than not" come from anyway? I cannot find it. I *could* find it, if I
used enough junky kiddie-designed and no-rep cleaners, but ... that's a
little silly and no way to prove that ALL do the same thing.
It actually does, and if you like the word regurgitation, feel free. You
have seen some very good information and references to go along with them.
Because I'm not dishonest enough to remove links to things like a list of
the "ten best" or whatever, has little bearing on anything if the
information they present is accurate AND reflects the reaility of the
situations, which every one I have presented does do. I have had no
experiences contradictory to what those articles say. You are not saying
you have had the opposite experience either, I notice. Why is that?
No, the burden of "proof" is not upon me. You're irritated because I have
the audacity to actually say what I believe and have experienced, while
you just hide behind comments like your burden of proof. If it is that
important to you, then it is you who has the burden of proof. I already
know.
Besides making sure the lock on your mind is solidly connected, you
have done absoutely nothing to show yourself or anyone else that your
contentions are correct. It's interesting because it is so incredibly
simple to do and yet you fail to do so, along with your other cohorts and
fellow yearly "pledgers" to the ROC. With your background you should know
better IMO. I do assume that you at least are one who has a current/valid
MVP title. I have no idea whether you are or not and dont' really care
anyway. For the most part it would appear to me that MVPs are freebie
labor for Microsoft so they don't have to bother with "peons". MS also
claims they check into the groups now and then but in the years I've been
here, I've never seen one. If they do check in, they are sure to hide.
But I digress, which is something I don't like.
lol, really? Well, in a way that's true: I DO have an INvestment in a
registry maintenance program, and the other fav one I use is a freebie
that costs nothing. Both are excellent applications and no matter what
windows machine I run them on, perform flawlessly. There are several
others I would have no problem seeing people use too, and a bunch I know
nothing about which I'd suggest not be used, but ... that's all true with
any application, not just registry maintenance.
Twayne said:lol, and so far you have lied and provided misinformation with your
contradictory statement. I suspect you don't even had a good idea of how
a "cleaner" works or how it functions to decide whether and how to present
ojbects for possible repair. You have little to no background, experience
or knowledge of the subject at hand and show that ignorance over and over
in the last few posts. Mayhaps you should reread the "pledge" you took
otherwise known as the Code of Conduct amongst a few other interesting
connotations I've seen MVPs refer to. IF you're an MVP you're not a good
one and you don't follow the rules - or you would go on subject with your
posts.
Also I can only assume your comment about a "Russian..." is prejudice
clear and simple. As in, they are not capable of doing such a thing
because ... ? Is that what you meant? What other meaning can I apply to
the comment? Over my career I hired a total of 4 Russians, and they all
turned out to be excellent employees, not devoid of intelligence or ethics
in any way. One in fact was awarded many recognitions for his out of box
thinking, though it wasn't called that then.
Now, let's talk about what you've regurgitated: Nah, too easy. And
you're not showing anything to be worthy of the time.
Twayne said:Yup; I'm aware of that one. You will notice that even MS's own SDK can
cause the same problem if you actually know anything about it.
Also: Not all registry maintenance programs caused the problem, MS
did something they shouldn't have, and it has little to do with whether
such programs are useful or not.
That one's news to me, but:
did you read that one too? That's about their own buggy registry
cleaner; a failed event from the git-go in a lot more areas than just
that one.
A good "fix" for the sig issues/cursor start positions etc., with OE is
"OE-quotefix". It fixes the top-positioning of the cursor problem
(actually it's programmable), color codes quotes and a few other handy
fixes that OE left out for use on newsgroups. Makes it a lot more
compatible including managing sigs, etc.. If you believe MS, OE was never
intended for public use; only internal. If you're interested it's
available here:
http://www.insideoe.com/resources/tools.htm
I'm not certain it's supported any longer but what is there works
reasonably well and doesn't break anything. I've had it for years and
like it.
No need!
You have already shown yourself to be a total fool.
Twayne said:I like and recommend OE-QuoteFix too, but unfortunately it hasn't been
upgraded to work with the Vista equivalent of OE, Windows Mail.
Although I'm using OE on my laptop at the moment, normally I don't
use it at all.
More insinuations and still not one piece from you where it clearly
shows that Registry cleaner has value..
I am not irritated at all, but I will try to ensure that computer
users don't fall foul of registry cleaners.
As you have two of them, presumably you can produce data to show that
they do what they claim..
Re my contentions.. read the posts in newsgroups over the years and
you come across more than a few who have fallen foul.
All you state is a sales pitch which makes claims that can't be
substantiated at all. I believe that it is called FUD..
Now we get to the insults.. way to go..
Twayne said:You'll get the best data when your supreme closed mind answers my initial
questions. Until then all you get is little things I come cross here &
there. I have provided information even if you are incapable of
understanding any of it. But there has never been a single viable
response from the other camp. But you continue to impart your spew about
the uselessness of any registry cleaner completely without justification
or backing of any kind. I can not help with reading comprehension
problems.
foul of registry cleaner claims..
You insinuated stuff. In my books, that is resorting to insults..
I have used registry cleaners in the past, but I still maintain that
they are dangerous and, in the case of the Windows NT family,
unnecessary.
We are still waiting for definitive proof that a registry cleaner is
any good with respect to the Windows NT family. Please post some
actual results.
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