2GB on P4PE

[Aggy]

Hello.

I have 2 1GB memory modules -> STD 184P DDR333
DIMM(128Mx64) (PC2700/64Mx4/2.5-3-3)

I can us both of the 1GB modules in MS-DOS but can only use 1GB
module when using win98 SE. How can I get both 1GB memory
modules to work with win98 SE.

The error message I get trying to use 2 1GB modules with win98 SE.

Insufficient memory to initialize windows. Quit one or more
memory-resident programs or remove unnecessary utilities from your
Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files, and restart your computer.

Thanks for your help man.

 

[[BnH]]

Err. . Win98SE can only effectively use upto 512mb in RAM space.
More than that .. it just useless.

re. the error, have you tried using XP or 2K ? maybe your module is
defective?

=bob=

 

[Crypto]

Hello.

I have 2 1GB memory modules -> STD 184P DDR333
DIMM(128Mx64) (PC2700/64Mx4/2.5-3-3)

I can us both of the 1GB modules in MS-DOS but can only use 1GB
module when using win98 SE. How can I get both 1GB memory
modules to work with win98 SE.

The error message I get trying to use 2 1GB modules with win98 SE.

Insufficient memory to initialize windows. Quit one or more
memory-resident programs or remove unnecessary utilities from your
Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files, and restart your computer.

Thanks for your help man.

Before someone else asks, why would you want to use 2 gig of memory
with an operating system so ancient that when they wrote it, having 2
gig of memory was not even thought of?

I would try looking at the Microsoft Knowledge Base but I think I
remember reading Win 98 has serious issues with large amounts of
memory because it simply was designed in an era when it was impossible
to have such amounts of memory in a PC.

DOS is a far more simple thing, no swapping and all.

Win 2K and XP have no problems with 2 gig. I have a P4PE myself with
1 gig but it's on XP.

 

[Vicky]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:33:10 +1100, "[BnH]" <b18ATiinetDOTnetDOTaus> wrote:

I have Win XP and it is one ugly mother.
I like using Win98 SE with 98Lite.

 

[Vince]

Before someone else asks, why would you want to use 2 gig of memory
with an operating system so ancient that when they wrote it, having 2
gig of memory was not even thought of?

I would try looking at the Microsoft Knowledge Base but I think I
remember reading Win 98 has serious issues with large amounts of
memory because it simply was designed in an era when it was impossible
to have such amounts of memory in a PC.

So I can create a supper big vramdisk.

 

[DaveW]

Win98se has a built-in limitation of being able to only recognize 512MB of
RAM. I'm not sure how you're getting it to see 1 GB...

 

[BoB]

Win98se has a built-in limitation of being able to only recognize 512MB of
RAM. I'm not sure how you're getting it to see 1 GB...

Win 98se can see 2 gigs of ram and address 2 more gigs of virtual
if my memory serves me right, the issue is vcache flooding.
Google!!!!!!!!!!!!! This issue has been well documented and I expected
more from this newsgroup.

 

[BoB]

Win 98se can see 2 gigs of ram and address 2 more gigs of virtual
if my memory serves me right, the issue is vcache flooding.
Google!!!!!!!!!!!!! This issue has been well documented and I expected
more from this newsgroup.

It's been a few years since I hung out in the ms/98 groups, but there
seemed to be just a few geeks that knew how to get it to run with 2 gigs!
As of then it hadn't been tried as mobos with 4 slots that supported 512
meg sticks had just arrived!

 

[Paul]

Hello.

I have 2 1GB memory modules -> STD 184P DDR333
DIMM(128Mx64) (PC2700/64Mx4/2.5-3-3)

I can us both of the 1GB modules in MS-DOS but can only use 1GB
module when using win98 SE. How can I get both 1GB memory
modules to work with win98 SE.

The error message I get trying to use 2 1GB modules with win98 SE.

Insufficient memory to initialize windows. Quit one or more
memory-resident programs or remove unnecessary utilities from your
Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files, and restart your computer.

Thanks for your help man.

I'm surprised that RAM configuration works. The RAM control signals
would be seeing twice the load they normally do. The (16) x4 chips
form a single bank, not two banks like a normal double sided module.

Have you tested the memory with memtest86 from memtest86.com ? I'm
interested in whether this RAM config passes or not. On the Mushkin
website, no 845PE based motherboards were listed as able to drive
that kind of 1GB module. (The proper kind of 1GB modules with x8
chips still are not available cheaply or in volume.)

As for the OS question, I think you should be able to use any OS you
feel like. Win98 is perfectly happy with 512MB of memory, but needs
some assistance if using more than that. If more than 1GB of memory
is present in the machine, then a variable has to be set to throw
away the extra memory. This allows you to have a dual boot
configuration without having to physically remove memory every time
you boot up in Win98. The changes all go into the system.ini file.

There are two settings "MaxPhysPage" and "MaxFileCache". MaxPhysPage
is like physically removing memory from the machine, and a setting
of 20000 hex guarantees there will be no problems (as it limits the
ram win98 can use to 512MB). You add MaxPhysPage=20000 to the
[386Enh] section of the System.ini file.

If you set MaxPhysPage to values between 20000 hex and 40000 hex
(512MB to 1GB), then the Vcache fix is needed as well. Set
MaxFileCache=524288 or less in the [VCache] section of system.ini .
This prevents the Vcache from using too much address space.

Setting MaxPhysPage to more than 40000 hex (i.e. >1GB memory) will
probably result in the "Out of Memory" message. You can experiment
with it if you want, but don't expect stability if you do. In
my experiences with 4x256 sticks in my old computer, I only got a
working system when MaxPhysPage was less than 30000. Not everyone
was as unlucky as me.

And post back with the results of your memtest run... I'm curious.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&[email protected]

Good luck,
Paul

 

[Carolee]

I'm surprised that RAM configuration works. The RAM control signals
would be seeing twice the load they normally do. The (16) x4 chips
form a single bank, not two banks like a normal double sided module.

Have you tested the memory with memtest86 from memtest86.com ? I'm
interested in whether this RAM config passes or not. On the Mushkin
website, no 845PE based motherboards were listed as able to drive
that kind of 1GB module. (The proper kind of 1GB modules with x8
chips still are not available cheaply or in volume.)

I downloaded the mem test proge and ran it, but it seems like it will
take forever so i stopped it.

All i know is the win98 se shows:
Physical memory available for Windows 1,039,912 KB
System recourses 89% Free

and

ASUS PC Probe proge shows:
Total: 1039912
Free: 843612

All i know is that the P4PE User Guide that i have says that i can use
2 1GB double sided memory chips, and that is what i did.

As for the OS question, I think you should be able to use any OS you
feel like. Win98 is perfectly happy with 512MB of memory, but needs
some assistance if using more than that. If more than 1GB of memory
is present in the machine, then a variable has to be set to throw
away the extra memory. This allows you to have a dual boot
configuration without having to physically remove memory every time
you boot up in Win98. The changes all go into the system.ini file.

I am searching the web for anything and everything that has to do with
Win98 with 2GB memory and am coming up with all kind if info like
the stuff below.

There are two settings "MaxPhysPage" and "MaxFileCache". MaxPhysPage
is like physically removing memory from the machine, and a setting
of 20000 hex guarantees there will be no problems (as it limits the
ram win98 can use to 512MB). You add MaxPhysPage=20000 to the
[386Enh] section of the System.ini file.

If you set MaxPhysPage to values between 20000 hex and 40000 hex
(512MB to 1GB), then the Vcache fix is needed as well. Set
MaxFileCache=524288 or less in the [VCache] section of system.ini .
This prevents the Vcache from using too much address space.

Setting MaxPhysPage to more than 40000 hex (i.e. >1GB memory) will
probably result in the "Out of Memory" message. You can experiment
with it if you want, but don't expect stability if you do. In
my experiences with 4x256 sticks in my old computer, I only got a
working system when MaxPhysPage was less than 30000. Not everyone
was as unlucky as me.

And post back with the results of your memtest run... I'm curious.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&[email protected]

Good luck,
Paul

 

[BoB]

You can't even get a good load of win98se with that much ram,
you have to load with less and then limit vcache to prevent flooding.
Add more ram later, but that's 480$ worth of ram running on a 90$
obsolete OS, at least put W2k on it. Or learn to use the compatibility
cheater
with XP.
BTW those modules are recommended for the new 64bit mobos!
But those OS's aren't ready yet!

I'm surprised that RAM configuration works. The RAM control signals
would be seeing twice the load they normally do. The (16) x4 chips
form a single bank, not two banks like a normal double sided module.

Have you tested the memory with memtest86 from memtest86.com ? I'm
interested in whether this RAM config passes or not. On the Mushkin
website, no 845PE based motherboards were listed as able to drive
that kind of 1GB module. (The proper kind of 1GB modules with x8
chips still are not available cheaply or in volume.)

I downloaded the mem test proge and ran it, but it seems like it will
take forever so i stopped it.

All i know is the win98 se shows:
Physical memory available for Windows 1,039,912 KB
System recourses 89% Free

and

ASUS PC Probe proge shows:
Total: 1039912
Free: 843612

All i know is that the P4PE User Guide that i have says that i can use
2 1GB double sided memory chips, and that is what i did.

As for the OS question, I think you should be able to use any OS you
feel like. Win98 is perfectly happy with 512MB of memory, but needs
some assistance if using more than that. If more than 1GB of memory
is present in the machine, then a variable has to be set to throw
away the extra memory. This allows you to have a dual boot
configuration without having to physically remove memory every time
you boot up in Win98. The changes all go into the system.ini file.

I am searching the web for anything and everything that has to do with
Win98 with 2GB memory and am coming up with all kind if info like
the stuff below.

There are two settings "MaxPhysPage" and "MaxFileCache". MaxPhysPage
is like physically removing memory from the machine, and a setting
of 20000 hex guarantees there will be no problems (as it limits the
ram win98 can use to 512MB). You add MaxPhysPage=20000 to the
[386Enh] section of the System.ini file.

If you set MaxPhysPage to values between 20000 hex and 40000 hex
(512MB to 1GB), then the Vcache fix is needed as well. Set
MaxFileCache=524288 or less in the [VCache] section of system.ini .
This prevents the Vcache from using too much address space.

Setting MaxPhysPage to more than 40000 hex (i.e. >1GB memory) will
probably result in the "Out of Memory" message. You can experiment
with it if you want, but don't expect stability if you do. In
my experiences with 4x256 sticks in my old computer, I only got a
working system when MaxPhysPage was less than 30000. Not everyone
was as unlucky as me.

And post back with the results of your memtest run... I'm curious.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=uILOzAjmDHA.1728@ TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl

Good luck,
Paul

 

[Paul]

I downloaded the mem test proge and ran it, but it seems like it will
take forever so i stopped it.

All i know is the win98 se shows:
Physical memory available for Windows 1,039,912 KB
System recourses 89% Free

and

ASUS PC Probe proge shows:
Total: 1039912
Free: 843612

All i know is that the P4PE User Guide that i have says that i can use
2 1GB double sided memory chips, and that is what i did.

Carolee

If you put 2GB in the machine, why would win98 show roughly 1GB free?
Did you only install one stick for that test ? Was that 1GB free after
you set one of the two system.ini variables I was talking about ?

It is a real good idea to spend the time testing memory. That is the
only way you'll know the system is reliable enough to use. You could
run some kind of application to do a test, but the beauty of memtest86
is that it tests the entire memory. It even "lifts itself up" and
sweeps underneath. I wish other memory test programs were as thorough...

Memtest86 is a good thing to leave running overnight.

Paul

 

[Robert Hancock]

You have to change a setting in the system.ini file, I believe, to get more
than 512MB of RAM to work in Windows 9x/Me. Anything above 1GB is not
supported, Windows 98 was not designed for this amount of RAM at all.

Why in God's name do you want to run Windows 98 on this motherboard anyway?

 

[gja1]

I saw this fix in PC magazine. Look in system.ini for thr header
[VCache]. If there is no sentence below, add this line,
Maxfilecache=524288. Save the file and restart your system. This should
fix the problem if the memory is not defective.

 

[Robert Hancock]

That will work for up to about 1GB of RAM, but 2GB will still not work
properly with that fix.

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I saw this fix in PC magazine. Look in system.ini for thr header
[VCache]. If there is no sentence below, add this line,
Maxfilecache=524288. Save the file and restart your system. This should
fix the problem if the memory is not defective.

Hello.

I have 2 1GB memory modules -> STD 184P DDR333
DIMM(128Mx64) (PC2700/64Mx4/2.5-3-3)

I can us both of the 1GB modules in MS-DOS but can only use 1GB
module when using win98 SE. How can I get both 1GB memory
modules to work with win98 SE.

The error message I get trying to use 2 1GB modules with win98 SE.

Insufficient memory to initialize windows. Quit one or more
memory-resident programs or remove unnecessary utilities from your
Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files, and restart your computer.

Thanks for your help man.