XXCOPY vs. Karen's Replicator

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If one does NOT need the ability to clone a boot sector exactly, but
simply wants to make an image of a non-booting partition, is there any
particular reason to use one vs. the other of the subject programs?

TIA
 
If one does NOT need the ability to clone a boot sector exactly, but
simply wants to make an image of a non-booting partition, is there any
particular reason to use one vs. the other of the subject programs?

TIA

In that case you don't need either. Simply copy the files and
directory structure into a new directory on another disk. I suggest a
new directory in order not to contaminate the new disk with the
settings from the old drive. I often do this when repairing a damaged
system.
 
If one does NOT need the ability to clone a boot sector exactly, but
simply wants to make an image of a non-booting partition, is there
any particular reason to use one vs. the other of the subject
programs?

TIA

Karen's Replicator does not make images. It merely copies individual
files and maintains folder structures identical to the source.
 
If one does NOT need the ability to clone a boot sector exactly, but
simply wants to make an image of a non-booting partition, is there any
particular reason to use one vs. the other of the subject programs?

TIA

Hi.

I'm the author of XXCOPY. So, my opinion is obviously biased.
If you are not intimidated by command-line programs, XXCOPY
can do a lot of different things for you. But, if you are afraid of
the so-called "DOS Box", then, GUI products such as
Karen's Replicator may be good for you.

But, we also have an interesting product for novices:

http://www.xxclone.com

This is a GUI version of XXCOPY and is specifically written for
those who want simplicity. We offer a Freeware version for
personal use .

It allows you to clone the whole volume, making a self-bootable
clone of the Windows system volume. Or, you may clone
the whole contents of a non-system volume. Give it a try.

Kan Yabumoto
The author of XXCopy and XXClone
 
Hi.

I'm the author of XXCOPY. So, my opinion is obviously biased.
If you are not intimidated by command-line programs, XXCOPY
can do a lot of different things for you. But, if you are afraid of
the so-called "DOS Box", then, GUI products such as
Karen's Replicator may be good for you.

But, we also have an interesting product for novices:

http://www.xxclone.com

This is a GUI version of XXCOPY and is specifically written for
those who want simplicity. We offer a Freeware version for
personal use .

It allows you to clone the whole volume, making a self-bootable
clone of the Windows system volume. Or, you may clone
the whole contents of a non-system volume. Give it a try.

Hi Kan. I'm a long time user of XXCOPY for Win 98 and ME. Last year I
started using Win 2K Pro. I opted for FAT 32. Logged in as Admin,
I found that 22 system files wouldn't copy. So I gave XXCLONE a try
and it does a great job of creating bootable clones for me. Since
the free version doesn't do incremental cloning, I've modified my
backup strategy to just very rarely re-cloning. My cloned drive
is strictly for emergency use so I don't have to ever reinstall
Windows plus the huge # of updates for '2K + sp4. I use a different
drive for routine data backup. They plug into a removeable tray.

So, is it true that XXCOPY is useless for cloning the NT based
versions of Windows?

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
xxcopy said:
Hi.

I'm the author of XXCOPY. So, my opinion is obviously biased.
If you are not intimidated by command-line programs, XXCOPY
can do a lot of different things for you. But, if you are afraid of
the so-called "DOS Box", then, GUI products such as
Karen's Replicator may be good for you.

But, we also have an interesting product for novices:

http://www.xxclone.com

This is a GUI version of XXCOPY and is specifically written for
those who want simplicity. We offer a Freeware version for
personal use .

It allows you to clone the whole volume, making a self-bootable
clone of the Windows system volume. Or, you may clone
the whole contents of a non-system volume. Give it a try.

Kan Yabumoto
The author of XXCopy and XXClone

For the first time, in the next few hours, I have to image my W98SE install from C
partition in one hard drive to D partition in another hard drive in the same machine.

In xxclone, what are the commands to use?

TIA

Mike Sa

W
 
ms said:
For the first time, in the next few hours, I have to image my W98SE
install from C partition in one hard drive to D partition in another
hard drive in the same machine.

In xxclone, what are the commands to use?

Apparently, you neither understood his post nor looked at the page he
referenced.

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WinMe os
From
http://www.xxclone.com
downloaded the .zip file and the
unzipped file xcfwinst_0520.exe is
gives error message
"This windows version is not supported
by xxclone"
Error #904

Any advice would be appreciated.


If one does NOT need the ability to clone a boot sector exactly, but
simply wants to make an image of a non-booting partition, is there any
particular reason to use one vs. the other of the subject programs?

TIA

Hi.

I'm the author of XXCOPY. So, my opinion is obviously biased.
If you are not intimidated by command-line programs, XXCOPY
can do a lot of different things for you. But, if you are afraid of
the so-called "DOS Box", then, GUI products such as
Karen's Replicator may be good for you.

But, we also have an interesting product for novices:

http://www.xxclone.com

This is a GUI version of XXCOPY and is specifically written for
those who want simplicity. We offer a Freeware version for
personal use .

It allows you to clone the whole volume, making a self-bootable
clone of the Windows system volume. Or, you may clone
the whole contents of a non-system volume. Give it a try.

Kan Yabumoto
The author of XXCopy and XXClone
 
xxcopy said:
Hi.

I'm the author of XXCOPY. So, my opinion is obviously biased.
If you are not intimidated by command-line programs, XXCOPY
can do a lot of different things for you. But, if you are afraid of
the so-called "DOS Box", then, GUI products such as
Karen's Replicator may be good for you.

But, we also have an interesting product for novices:

http://www.xxclone.com

This is a GUI version of XXCOPY and is specifically written for
those who want simplicity. We offer a Freeware version for
personal use .

It allows you to clone the whole volume, making a self-bootable
clone of the Windows system volume. Or, you may clone
the whole contents of a non-system volume. Give it a try.

Kan Yabumoto
The author of XXCopy and XXClone
Kan,

Many thanks for your reply, and your fine program. I've used it many
times when moving data from an older, smaller drive to a new one. And,
I'm certainly not afraid of the DOS command line. I'm hanging in there
with my old Windows 98 First Edition system just so that I CAN use DOS
commands when convenient or necessary!

One of the reasons I asked the question is that I am FINALLY backing up
my vital data, but I do it from my primary hard drive to a secondary
hard drive on the same machine. (I switch back and forth via BIOS--no
dual-boot.) The source drive is my trusty Windows 98 system, WD Caviar
disk with 4 partitions. The target drive is one I use for my XP Pro
system, another WD Caviar (larger) with 4 partitions. Most of the time
when I do the backup I'm working in XP, and I find using Karen's
Replicator more convenient in XP. However, there is no real reason I
can't do the backup in W98 and use XXCOPY--just habit I guess.

Best regards,

Lakeside
 
http://www.xxclone.com

This is a GUI version of XXCOPY and is specifically written for
those who want simplicity. We offer a Freeware version for
personal use .

Very nice looking app, Kan. It would be useful if you could include a
table or list on the web site showing the capabilities which are
available in the Free vs Pro versions of XXClone (or maybe it's there
and I just didn't find it).
 
Art wrote:

So, is it true that XXCOPY is useless for cloning the NT based
versions of Windows?

XXCOPY has never been written as a disk-cloning tool. Rather,
it is a general purpose file management tool that can do a lot
of things. One thing we chose not to do is to access the disk
using low-level device I/O operations. We want XXCOPY to be
a "well-behaved" application that uses only the standard file I/O
Win32 API functions in order to carry out the operations. This
makes XXCOPY safe and "device independent". As long as the system
has the infrastructure to provide a mechanism to access the volume
via the standard file I/O functions, XXCOPY can safely read from or
even write to the volume (including device types that XXCOPY has
never seen before). In other words, we want XXCOPY to be a safe
product. This is why XXCOPY can access files on a CD-R or DVD-R.
Or, if you install a "packet write" driver, XXCOPY can write
files on CD-RW, DVD-RW, etc. even though XXCOPY has no knowledge
of how files are physically stored in the media. Same things
with volumes in remote computer via network. All such activities
are plain old file I/O operations for XXCOPY.

Anyway, long story short, XXCOPY does not know how to access
the MBR, bootsector, etc. that are vital data structures in order
to make a disk bootable.

If you read the Technical Bulletin XXTB #10

http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy10.htm

you will find that XXCOPY cannot initialize a partition (you need
to use FDISK), format a volume (use FORMAT.COM), or make a partition
active. XXCOPY stays away from such activities that should be
handled by specialized tools. This way, XXCOPY can remain pure.
By not doing any low-level device I/O, we can claim XXCOPY is
very safe and would not corrupt a healthy volume (it can still
delete everything if you tell it do do so). In a NT dimly windows,
a regular application (such as XXCOPY) cannot access the system
registry files. This is probably the most problematic aspect
in trying to use XXCOPY to make a faithful clone of the system volume.

In other words, XXCOPY is a tool for IT professionals to perform
lots of file/directory management functions. Although XXCOPY can
create a bootable clone of Win9x/ME system volume, it was a by-product
of its design. Since Win NT/2K/XP systems do require a lot more work
than can be explained in a easy-to-follow article, we could not make
a similar article like XXTB #10 for Win XP. That's why we invented
XXCLONE.

Is XXCOPY useless to clone NT-based volumes?

Yes and no. XXCLONE can do a good job for this but the most ideal
backup regime may be achieved by a combination of XXCOPY and XXCLONE
when the requirement is more complicated. For example, one may use
the backup volume with additional directories that are not present
in the source volume. If you use XXCLONE, such extra directories
will be wiped out (in order to make a literal clone) because XXCLONE
does not have the "exclude" feature for its simplicity. Many
experienced users run XXCLONE to perform the essential operations
that cannot be done by XXCOPY and carry out everything else using
XXCOPY that is far more flexible than XXCLONE.

So, while XXCOPY cannot do the full cloning job all by itself
in NT-family Windows, it can play a vital role in customized backup
work.

Kan Yabumoto
 
Kan:

As I understand it, using XXCLONE to back up to another HD partition
creates a *bootable* clone of the first partition on the second
partition. Now, in order for it to be bootable, the second partition has
to be a *primary* partition, correct? And does this second partition's
operating system become added to a boot menu for choosing between the
bootable partitions at startup? And would the second partition remain
bootable, even if the first partition got completely wiped?
 
Kan,

Many thanks for your reply, and your fine program. I've used it many
times when moving data from an older, smaller drive to a new one. And,
I'm certainly not afraid of the DOS command line. I'm hanging in there
with my old Windows 98 First Edition system just so that I CAN use DOS
commands when convenient or necessary!

One of the reasons I asked the question is that I am FINALLY backing up
my vital data, but I do it from my primary hard drive to a secondary
hard drive on the same machine. (I switch back and forth via BIOS--no
dual-boot.) The source drive is my trusty Windows 98 system, WD Caviar
disk with 4 partitions. The target drive is one I use for my XP Pro
system, another WD Caviar (larger) with 4 partitions. Most of the time
when I do the backup I'm working in XP, and I find using Karen's
Replicator more convenient in XP. However, there is no real reason I
can't do the backup in W98 and use XXCOPY--just habit I guess.

Best regards,

Lakeside

It would depend on whether you were using NTFS or FAT for your file
system. If one drive is NTFS then you would be restricted to XP to
access both drives.
 
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