XP Windows Messenger Removal

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john.v.stutsman

After loading SP2 I can't seem to get rid of windows messenger. Any
suggestions?
 
Shenan Stanley said:
Windows Messenger?
A Google search for "how to remove windows messenger" came up with many
hits - one I would personally trust:

"windows messenger service"
http://www.gellert.net/support/ipmessaging.shtml
and
"windows messenger"
http://www.computerbb.org/about649.html
and especially:
http://www.computingondemand.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=69
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Well, the first link you gave is useless, and I would tell the creator of
that page to get his/her advice correct. He/she gives instructions on how to
prevent Messenger service from running, not anything to do with *Windows
Messenger*.

Bert gave a great site for that particular issue.
 
john.v.stutsman said:
After loading SP2 I can't seem to get rid of windows messenger. Any
suggestions?
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Shenan said:
Windows Messenger?
A Google search for "how to remove windows messenger" came up with
many hits - one I would personally trust:

"windows messenger service"
http://www.gellert.net/support/ipmessaging.shtml
and
"windows messenger"
http://www.computerbb.org/about649.html
and especially:
http://www.computingondemand.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=69
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Well, the first link you gave is useless, and I would tell the
creator of that page to get his/her advice correct. He/she gives
instructions on how to prevent Messenger service from running, not
anything to do with *Windows Messenger*.

Bert gave a great site for that particular issue.
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Not into reading, eh?

As the OP wasn't clear in what they wanted, I gave advice on how to remove
ALL the various applications/services that have been refered to as "windows
messenger".

The first is the Messenger Service - and is labeled as such in my response.
The second in Windows Messenger.
The last includes all the above as well as MSN messenger.
 
Shenan Stanley said:
Not into reading, eh?
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I am very into reading, it seems you aren't though!
As the OP wasn't clear in what they wanted, I gave advice on how to remove
ALL the various applications/services that have been refered to as
"windows messenger".
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Well, if you were erudite enough about the terms used, you would know
Windows Messenger has nothing to do with Messenger Service.

Anyway, where did I make a statement about the OP? I only posted to you
regarding the first link you gave, which is this:
http://www.gellert.net/support/ipmessaging.shtml
The first is the Messenger Service - and is labeled as such in my
response.
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Correct, now you suggest that website (as I pointed out the first) regarding
"Messenger Service", but the instructions that site has, is stated as
regarding "Windows Messenger", when in reality, it gives instructions
regarding Messenger Service. Here is the title of that webpage:

"How to Remove Windows Messenger on Windows XP"

Then it goes on with instructions on how to disable Messenger Service, blah,
blah, blah.

So, are those instructions for Removing Windows Messenger, or disabling
Messenger Service? It's titled incorrectly.

Note, the creator even places a paragraph titled "What is Windows
Messenger?", when the description below it reads regarding what Messenger
Service really is. Maybe now you'll understand why I said, "I would tell the
creator of that page to get his/her advice correct".

If you would have stuck to what I simply pointed out as the discrepancy of
the webpage you gave as a link, you would have avoided this.

<snipped>
 
Tom said:
If you would have stuck to what I simply pointed out as the
discrepancy of the webpage you gave as a link, you would have avoided
this.
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Avoided your babbling? Maybe.

But the fact is that the author of that web site is not the only one to have
"mislabeled" the service in the past - therefore I gave the OP what they
needed - an answer for each possible meaning of what they stated they needed
based off my past experience of posts in these newsgroups and the mistakes
made in "labels".

Therefore, it is my response to you that my original link was NOT worthless
and may have very well been exactly what the OP needed. Whether or not it
was is still to be seen and a moot point, as I covered all possible bases.
 
Shenan Stanley said:
Avoided your babbling? Maybe.
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No, your inability to see mistakes, as the webpage gives wrong info for the
mentioned program, but that isn't important, but it is funny how you list
that (as one of) as something you would recommend, as you said "one I would
personally trust"; that is telling in itself !

<snipped babbling, most definitely!>

But then again, the subject line was "XP Windows Messenger Removal", which
is fairly clear, and your tendency to (want) to cover more ground than is
necessary if redeeming also. Did the OP say he was getting popups, NO,
anything remotely concerning MS, NO. But more importantly (and it funny I
have to point this out, since you need to cover all ground), he simply
stated he couldn't get rid of Windows Messenger after loading SP2! LOL, you
would THINK (with your extensive expertise) that you would KNOW that an SP2
install would have disabled Messenger Service anyway, so the problem was
obvious!

<maybe babbling off>
 
Shenan Stanley said:
Tom wrote:
<snipped>
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LOL! I guess it is difficult to admit you screwed up. Maybe when you read
more acrefully, your advice may count more than crap.
 
Tom said:
LOL! I guess it is difficult to admit you screwed up. Maybe when you read
more acrefully, your advice may count more than crap.
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In my opinion, to use your term, it is you who "screwed up". What SS did
was appropriate in light of the many times posters here have been
confused over "Windows messenger". As he suggested, careful reading of
both the links and information therein could have helped someone find
and fix their problem. I doubt that most people reading here care
whether anyone "admits" their mistakes any more than they care about
people's spelling or grammar.

Rodney
 
Tom said:
LOL! I guess it is difficult to admit you screwed up. Maybe when you
read more acrefully, your advice may count more than crap.
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The snip response was me pointing out to you any further discussion was just
making you look more like an a$$. You seem to like looking like that, so if
you desire we can continue through one more exchange.

You are right - perhaps I should read more "acrefully", then I could move
down to the crap level with you.
(Which is what people do when they do as I just did, pointing out mistakes
that make no difference in true content or viability of the content. I did
it to demonstrate what you are doing, why do you do it?)

Again - I gave the link because for what it is actually explaining, it does
flawlessly and for multiple platforms. The term "windows messenger" has
been used in the past to mean one of three things: The "messenger service",
the old 4.x "windows messenger" and the newer 6.x "MSN Messenger". The OP,
if they knew about the information I explained, wouldn't have had to ask the
question - therefore the possibility they asked about any of those three was
pretty high. Also, yes - SP2 does turn off the messenger service - other
things attempt to turn it on. In this case, it was - in my opinion - better
to give advice on each of the problems than just one - might save the OP
time if the first answer given did not solve the issue for them.

I have to ask - you said, "...and I would tell the creator of that page to
get his/her advice correct." <- Did you?

Do I admit when I screw up? Yes - you can search these newsgroups and find
examples where I whole-heartily admit being wrong and thank those who
corrected me. Problem is - there was nothing "wrong" with the advice I gave
here. It pointed out in my advice what the truth of the web page link (at
issue with you) was. I also pointed out other pages that gave the OP the
solution no matter their meaning of the term "windows messenger". In your
first response to my response to you, you pointed out "Anyway, where did I
make a statement about the OP?" - the whole thread should be about the OP -
not your trouble with semantics of some web site..


Therefore - for the OP:

Bert's response of:
Disable/Remove Windows Messenger
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_mess_disable.htm
Is perfect if you were referring to "Windows Messenger 4.x" versions.
If you are more apt to trust the maker of the product than a third-party,
here is Microsoft's take on its removal:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302089
(Doug Knox is MORE than trustworthy, however.)

If you were however referring to the "Messenger Service", Microsoft explains
its removal perfectly here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/security/learnmore/stopspam.mspx

As for "MSN Messenger", this one can be removed from the Control Panel ->
Add/Remove programs. It can alternatively be stopped from loading by
selecting TOOLS -> Options inside the application itself and looking under
the "General" tab and unchecking "Automatically run Messenger when I log on
to Windows" checkbox. OK your way out then right-click on the icon in the
taskbar and exit or just log off/back on.

I hope this (or another response like it) helps the OP out of their dilemma.
 
Oh well, he didn't read the post thoroughly, as it would have been clear to
him (as SP2 was mentioned) that Messenger Service wouldn't have come into
play, regardless of the grammar lames that come here to make up for their
lack of efforts. The fact that the site gives instructions to removing
Messenger Service, but is titled Windows Messenegr Removal (not sic), that
Sheman applied as one he would highly recommend is also telling.
 
Shenan Stanley said:
The snip response was me pointing out to you any further discussion was
just making you look more like an a$$. You seem to like looking like
that, so if
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It is primarily the fact that you tend to overkill with way more info than
most need or possibly can digest. Maybe if your zealousness to help could be
lessened a bit, you may have given a more straightforward useful piece of
advice as opposed to having the OP do/attempt something that wasn't needed.
Ever heard of maybe asking for clarification of what he actually wants
accomplished if you are unsure?
You are right - perhaps I should read more "acrefully", then I could move
down to the crap level with you.
(Which is what people do when they do as I just did, pointing out mistakes
that make no difference in true content or viability of the content. I
did it to demonstrate what you are doing, why do you do it?
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Why do you not read what peope really request, instead of thinking a
thousand possiblities with your responses then consisting of needlessly
longwinded grueling replies? Why do you not actually read the sites you
link? I don't go after people (as a defensive ploy) for misspelling words,
as long as I understand their intent; you OTOH, just became a spelling
lamer.
Again - I gave the link because for what it is actually explaining, it
does flawlessly and for multiple platforms. The term "windows messenger"
has been used in the past to mean one of three things: The "messenger
service", the old 4.x "windows messenger" and the newer 6.x "MSN
Messenger". The OP, if they knew about the information I explained,
wouldn't have had to ask the question - therefore the possibility they
asked about any of those three was pretty high. Also, yes - SP2 does turn
off the messenger service - other things attempt to turn it on. In this
case, it was - in my opinion - better to give advice on each of the
problems than just one - might save the OP time if the first answer given
did not solve the issue for them.
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Again, the description the OP gave was exactly what Windows Messenger would
do in his case, with the added info that he already has SP2. Ever notice MS
popups specifically state Messenger Service, and not Window Messenger.
I have to ask - you said, "...and I would tell the creator of that page to
get his/her advice correct." <- Did you?
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NO, I don't use that site as a useful tool, you did, and you also added that
you highly recommend it. That, in spite that those original links you gave
were obviously googled up (whenever) and used on the fly.
Do I admit when I screw up? Yes - you can search these newsgroups and
find examples where I whole-heartily admit being wrong and thank those who
corrected me. Problem is - there was nothing "wrong" with the advice I
gave here. It pointed out in my advice what the truth of the web page
link (at issue with you) was.
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And you missed my original post to you regarding the first link, and you
blew it up into something that somehow was that maybe I demeaned you, and
that isn't what I did. I simply stated that the info in that link was wrong
as I simply stated, "He/she gives instructions on how to prevent Messenger
service from running, not anything to do with *Windows
Messenger*." You then got a major wedgy over it! Google up "Remove Windows
Messenger", and you'll get that hit, and it is related, but if you insist it
help, then go into services.msc, and find Windows Messenger, as the title so
implies!

I also pointed out other pages that gave the OP the solution no matter
their meaning of the term "windows messenger". In your first response to
my response to you, you pointed out "Anyway, where did I make a statement
about the OP?" - the whole thread should be about the OP - not your
trouble with semantics of some web site..
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LOL, it is n't even about semantics. The title is simply wrong for the
instruction given, as they are totally unrelated. How is that semantics?
Since the title is wrong for help with someone seeking to remove Windows
Messenger, no matter how you say people think things are others things, and
if you thought that, then the onus was on your for clarification.
Therefore - for the OP:

Bert's response of:
Disable/Remove Windows Messenger
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_mess_disable.htm
Is perfect if you were referring to "Windows Messenger 4.x" versions.
If you are more apt to trust the maker of the product than a third-party,
here is Microsoft's take on its removal:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302089
(Doug Knox is MORE than trustworthy, however.)

If you were however referring to the "Messenger Service", Microsoft
explains its removal perfectly here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/security/learnmore/stopspam.mspx

As for "MSN Messenger", this one can be removed from the Control Panel ->
Add/Remove programs. It can alternatively be stopped from loading by
selecting TOOLS -> Options inside the application itself and looking under
the "General" tab and unchecking "Automatically run Messenger when I log
on to Windows" checkbox. OK your way out then right-click on the icon in
the taskbar and exit or just log off/back on.

I hope this (or another response like it) helps the OP out of their
dilemma.
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Doug's site is a wealth of info regarding all those services and Messengers,
as well as Kelly's too. Glad to see you post them as well as relevant MS
articles.
 
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