XP alone on one drive

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I now have XP AND all my other programs on drive C. I'd
like to put all my other programs on another partition
and leave XP alone on drive C.

Can anyone suggest a procedure? What size partition does
XP alone need?

I do have to reinstall all my other programs onto the new
partition , don't I? Tell me there is an easier way.

Why do I want to do this. I've heard reinstalling XP
after about a years use is THE best way to clean it up.
AND the easiest way to do this is to have XP alone on
drive C.

Does anyone have a procedure for reinstalls of XP?

Thanks in advance,

JOe
 
Uninstall the programs, then reinstall to the new drive. Then delete any
remaining folders/files that were missed.
 
I hate to burst your bubble.
Your reason for having XP on C by itself is not correct.
For a program to work, entries must be put in the Registry.
If you do a clean install of XP, you will have to also install your programs
not matter what partition the programs where on.
 
While I totally agree with your statement about the best way to clean it up
is to do a total re-install I believe that applies to any windows os after a
year or so. I however, don't agree with your method. If after a few years
of use you do a total reinstall of XP on your C partition, how is it to know
about all the applications you've installed over those years on that other
disk. You'll still have to reinstall everything.
What I would recommend is a 2nd hard drive. Install XP on your C drive with
one partition, load all your software and get it running just like you want,
then make an image of it that you keep on D. Now if you feel you need to
reload XP for some reason, just restore the image, couldn't be simpler.
Well, maybe it could but I sure can't think of how.
 
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Joe said:
I now have XP AND all my other programs on drive C. I'd
like to put all my other programs on another partition
and leave XP alone on drive C.

Can anyone suggest a procedure? What size partition does
XP alone need?

I do have to reinstall all my other programs onto the new
partition , don't I? Tell me there is an easier way.


The problem is that almost all programs except a few trivial ones, have many references to where they are located, in the registry and elsewhere. If you just move a program, all those references are wrong.

There are utilities that search out such references and change them to where you've moved the programs, but I've nbever found one that's 100% releable. the best, and safest way, is to uninstall them, and reinstall them where you want them.

Why do I want to do this. I've heard reinstalling XP
after about a years use is THE best way to clean it up.


You've heard wrong. Although this is an often-repeated legend, it isn't true. With a modicum of care, it should never be necessary to reinstall Winodws (XP or any other version). I've run Windows 3.0, 3.1, WFWG 3.11, WIndows 95, Windows 98, and Windows XP, each for the period of time before the next version came out, and each on two machines here. I *never* reinstalled any of them, and I never had anything more than an occasional minor problem.

It's my belief that this mistaken notion stems from the technical support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their solution to almost any problem they don't quickly know the answer to is "reformat and reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them. It gets you off the phone quickly, it almost always works, and it doesn't require them to do any real troubleshooting (a skill that most of them obviously don't possess in any great degree).

But it leaves you with all the work and all the problems. *You* have to restore all your data backups, *you* have to reinstall all your programs, *you* have to reinstall all the Windows and application updates,*you* have to locate and install all the needed drivers for your system, *you* have to recustomize Windows and all your apps to work the way you're comfortable with. Besides all those things being time-consuming and troublesome, you may have trouble with some of them: can you find all your application CDs? Can you find all the needed application codes? Do you have data backups to restore? Do you even remember all the customizations and tweaks you may have installed to make everything work the way you like?

Occasionally there are problems that are so difficult to solve that Windows should be reinstalled cleanly. But they are few and far between; reinstallation should not a substitute for troubleshooting; it should be a last resort, to be done only after all other attempts at troubleshooting by a qualified person have failed.

And reinstalling Windows prophylactically--without the intent to solve a specific problem? That's simply nonsense. Almost every time I see someone do this foolish thing, he ends up with problems he didn't have before--for example, because he didn't realize that he needs a new driver for some piece of hardware.

AND the easiest way to do this is to have XP alone on drive C.


Nope. That doesn't help at all. If you reinstall XP, you will still have to reinstall all your programs. Deleting XP necessarily deletes the registry and all those pointers to your programs.
 
My advice would be after a clean install of XP together with all the
programs, drivers etc. you're likely to want get Drive Image and image the
drive. Save the image to a different partition or CDR/CDRW then if you do
decide to re-install you're re-installing everything cleanly and quickly.
DI has in the past saved me days of work re-installing programs etc.

--

Kenny


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Joe said:
I now have XP AND all my other programs on drive C. I'd
like to put all my other programs on another partition
and leave XP alone on drive C.

Can anyone suggest a procedure? What size partition does
XP alone need?

I do have to reinstall all my other programs onto the new
partition , don't I? Tell me there is an easier way.


The problem is that almost all programs except a few trivial ones, have many
references to where they are located, in the registry and elsewhere. If you
just move a program, all those references are wrong.

There are utilities that search out such references and change them to where
you've moved the programs, but I've nbever found one that's 100% releable.
the best, and safest way, is to uninstall them, and reinstall them where you
want them.

Why do I want to do this. I've heard reinstalling XP
after about a years use is THE best way to clean it up.


You've heard wrong. Although this is an often-repeated legend, it isn't
true. With a modicum of care, it should never be necessary to reinstall
Winodws (XP or any other version). I've run Windows 3.0, 3.1, WFWG 3.11,
WIndows 95, Windows 98, and Windows XP, each for the period of time before
the next version came out, and each on two machines here. I *never*
reinstalled any of them, and I never had anything more than an occasional
minor problem.

It's my belief that this mistaken notion stems from the technical support
people at many of the larger OEMs. Their solution to almost any problem they
don't quickly know the answer to is "reformat and reinstall." That's the
perfect solution for them. It gets you off the phone quickly, it almost
always works, and it doesn't require them to do any real troubleshooting (a
skill that most of them obviously don't possess in any great degree).

But it leaves you with all the work and all the problems. *You* have to
restore all your data backups, *you* have to reinstall all your programs,
*you* have to reinstall all the Windows and application updates,*you* have
to locate and install all the needed drivers for your system, *you* have to
recustomize Windows and all your apps to work the way you're comfortable
with. Besides all those things being time-consuming and troublesome, you may
have trouble with some of them: can you find all your application CDs? Can
you find all the needed application codes? Do you have data backups to
restore? Do you even remember all the customizations and tweaks you may have
installed to make everything work the way you like?

Occasionally there are problems that are so difficult to solve that Windows
should be reinstalled cleanly. But they are few and far between;
reinstallation should not a substitute for troubleshooting; it should be a
last resort, to be done only after all other attempts at troubleshooting by
a qualified person have failed.

And reinstalling Windows prophylactically--without the intent to solve a
specific problem? That's simply nonsense. Almost every time I see someone do
this foolish thing, he ends up with problems he didn't have before--for
example, because he didn't realize that he needs a new driver for some piece
of hardware.

AND the easiest way to do this is to have XP alone on drive C.


Nope. That doesn't help at all. If you reinstall XP, you will still have to
reinstall all your programs. Deleting XP necessarily deletes the registry
and all those pointers to your programs.
 
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Kenny said:
My advice would be after a clean install of XP together with all the
programs, drivers etc. you're likely to want get Drive Image and
image the drive. Save the image to a different partition or CDR/CDRW
then if you do decide to re-install you're re-installing everything
cleanly and quickly. DI has in the past saved me days of work
re-installing programs etc.


This is not reinstalling, this is restoring from a backup.

Yes, having a backup is certainly a good thing. And it's good to do such a backup, not just once after a clean installation, but frequently.

However you mention imaging to a different partition or CDs. I don't think either is a suitable place for this kind of backup, for the following reasons.

Considering the size of most modern hard drives creating a CD image of one requires far to many CDs to be practical. Backup of selected files (primarily) to a CD can be very practical, but not the entire hard drive (unless you have a very small one).

And backup to a second partition is the weakest form of backup there is. It's better than no backup at all, but just barely. The problem with it is that you're still susceptible to simultaneous loss of the original and backup to many of the most common dangers to your data: severe power glitches, virus attacks, even theft of the computer.
In my view, secure backup needs to be on removable media, and not kept in the computer. For *really* secure backup (needed, for example, if the life of your business depends on your data) you should have multiple generations of backup, and at least one of those generations should be stored off-site.

My computer isn't used for business, but my personal backup scheme uses two identical removable hard drives, which fit into a sleeve installed in the computer. I alternate between the two, and use Drive Image to make a complete copy of the primary drive.
 
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