wmp11 and playing a dvd

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Drew

I know this question has probably been answered a hundred times and yet I am
really not sure of the correct answer.....I currently run Vista business at
home and wish to play DVD's on windows media player 11....I have seen a lot
of answers involving divx codec's but am not sure that is all I need...I am
not trying to create or modify the movies just watch them...Can someone
point me in the right direction ???
 
Drew Vista Business Does not have the DVD decoder included with the vista
home and ultimate packages. your choices are to upgrade to ultimate or buy a
third party decoder. Any decoder that is free is illegal and can get you and
your company into trouble.
 
I hardly ever use media player as there are a lot of other players on the
market. A good free one is VLC media player which works fine under Vista 32
bit (not sure about 64 bit). You can also download the K-Lite Codec pack
(free) and use Media Player Classic (mplayerc.exe) which is still in
Windows. If you have a DVD player or burner installed (you must or you
could not watch DVDs) it should have software like Roxio, Nero or HP player
installed - any of those will work (most of the time).
 
You say vista ultimate does not have the it, then tell him to upgrade ? I
have no 3rd party DVD viewer and wmp in vista ult plays them just fine.
 
K-Lite is horrible and dangerous. Please don't recommend that. I've done
more clean-up after that nastyware than any other application on the planet.

Media Player Classic is pretty cool, but hasn't been updated for Vista yet,
sadly. =)
 
* zachd [MSFT]:
K-Lite is horrible and dangerous. Please don't recommend that. I've done
more clean-up after that nastyware than any other application on the planet.

Perhaps, if WMP 11 just worked, folks wouldn't feel the
need to download things like K-Lite.
Media Player Classic is pretty cool, but hasn't been updated for Vista yet,
sadly. =)

I've seen users state MPC works fine in Vista... have not tried it myself.

Have you tried MPC - Homecinema?
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=170561


-Michael
 
MICHAEL said:
* zachd [MSFT]:
K-Lite is horrible and dangerous. Please don't recommend that. I've
done
more clean-up after that nastyware than any other application on the
planet.
Perhaps, if WMP 11 just worked, folks wouldn't feel the
need to download things like K-Lite.

That's not a particularly fair/valid request given the very very specific
arena of codecs. I can make any player on the planet fail here. There are
*always* going to be problems with codecs - licensing, distribution, etc
etc.

"Things like K-Lite" -- I can certainly tell random people to format their
computer or to download trojans, but that's not a good thing. Educationally,
it's just important that people are aware that downloading random versions
of K-Lite is extremely extremely destabilizing and dangerous.

There are forward routes for almost every codec problem you can find on
Windows. None of those routes involve codec packs. Codec packs had a very
limited useful lifespan.

* If user is *missing* AVI codec
-- Identify codec via Error Details:Web Help, go get it.
* If user is missing MPEG2/DVD codec (non-Ultimate/Premium SKUs)
-- Get an MPEG2/DVD decoder
* If the codec is broken
-- Identify the codec, get an updated version from the vendor if possible.
(Won't always work, there are formattags out there with no working decoder.)
* If the content is broken
-- Identify the file format. I know most of the current file format based
"codec failure" issues and can probably sort through those.

In no case does trouble-shooting need to involve a codec pack. If a codec
pack is needed, which is generally regarded by anybody actually familiar
with them as a dangerous move, the CCCP codec pack is actually probably the
best choice.


This is utterly regardless of which player you use. All players will have
codec problems at some point, and codec packs are always a pretty bad idea.

If WMP11 is being hurtful, there's tons of other good players and solutions
that don't involve damaging *every other player and the system* too which is
what you're going to get from 80% of codec packs.
 
* zachd [MSFT]:
MICHAEL said:
* zachd [MSFT]:
K-Lite is horrible and dangerous. Please don't recommend that. I've
done
more clean-up after that nastyware than any other application on the
planet.
Perhaps, if WMP 11 just worked, folks wouldn't feel the
need to download things like K-Lite.

That's not a particularly fair/valid request given the very very specific
arena of codecs. I can make any player on the planet fail here. There are
*always* going to be problems with codecs - licensing, distribution, etc
etc.

"Things like K-Lite" -- I can certainly tell random people to format their
computer or to download trojans, but that's not a good thing. Educationally,
it's just important that people are aware that downloading random versions
of K-Lite is extremely extremely destabilizing and dangerous.

There are forward routes for almost every codec problem you can find on
Windows. None of those routes involve codec packs. Codec packs had a very
limited useful lifespan.

* If user is *missing* AVI codec
-- Identify codec via Error Details:Web Help, go get it.
* If user is missing MPEG2/DVD codec (non-Ultimate/Premium SKUs)
-- Get an MPEG2/DVD decoder
* If the codec is broken
-- Identify the codec, get an updated version from the vendor if possible.
(Won't always work, there are formattags out there with no working decoder.)
* If the content is broken
-- Identify the file format. I know most of the current file format based
"codec failure" issues and can probably sort through those.

In no case does trouble-shooting need to involve a codec pack. If a codec
pack is needed, which is generally regarded by anybody actually familiar
with them as a dangerous move, the CCCP codec pack is actually probably the
best choice.


This is utterly regardless of which player you use. All players will have
codec problems at some point, and codec packs are always a pretty bad idea.

If WMP11 is being hurtful, there's tons of other good players and solutions
that don't involve damaging *every other player and the system* too which is
what you're going to get from 80% of codec packs.

Zach,

I expect nothing less than your defense of WMP 11, you do work
for Microsoft , after all.

The best way to troubleshoot/fix most software is not available for
those that are having problems with WMP 11- uninstall/reinstall.
Having customers reinstall the operating system to fix WMP is
really pathetic and unacceptable. You should feel that way, too-
"This is utterly regardless of which player you use."


-Michael
 
MICHAEL said:
I expect nothing less than your defense of WMP 11, you do work
for Microsoft , after all.

Well, to be even more clear, I worked on WMP 11 (and everything between all
the way back to NetShow 1.0).

But that being said, I hated Microsoft growing up and have never had any
interest in being any sort of shill, just in sorting things out and making
them better. I try to be Microsoft-agnostic, with the net goal of making
things work, and occasionally explaining things - but THAT is boring.
Especially since it's not like anybody really cares or is going to actually
find value in my ramblings. ;-)
The best way to troubleshoot/fix most software is not available for
those that are having problems with WMP 11- uninstall/reinstall.

What would that be expected to resolve and how?

Having designed (or general major involvement with) most of the install
systems for Windows Media Player ever, etc, the "uninstall" is entirely
extraneous to a good component validation/reinstall.

As a customer, I've always felt that "uninstall/reinstall" from a vendor is
lazy. Plus I found it really annoying to have to reinstall first. WMP has
always been designed to seamlessly upgrade, and a reinstall of WMP was
designed to have extra troubleshooting properties not available otherwise.

None of that is remarkable. It's just good logical design. I appreciate
your advocacy of reinstall methods, but the "uninstall" is largely
extraneous to good software design. (The exception being a corrupt
store/table where you only are going to reset the primary known data, and
some extra data is present. But if you're removing and restoring data 1:1,
you'll never catch that anyways. And how do you make the call about what
extensible data is good or bad? I know of many vendors that add positive
value through adding settings to the player. Blah blah blah. Reinstall,
very good idea, although I don't know what you're specifically trying to
solve that couldn't be handled better in some other fashion. Uninstall,
largely unnecessary.)
Having customers reinstall the operating system to fix WMP is
really pathetic and unacceptable. You should feel that way, too-
"This is utterly regardless of which player you use."

Hey, I did work until 5AM going through 700,000 document lines getting this
data and laying the baseline/groundwork for this. I put my money where my
mouth is. =)

If that makes you angry, be angry/upset with the Vista component install
architects who hadn't added that feature. It's not an aspect that the
player team had any control of. Promise. =)

Arguably Vista here isn't substantially changed from any previous version of
Windows ever. As you're probably aware, the OC Manager could reapply a
minimal set of system components, but that was all about it. You could
hackedly run the system install INFs again after the fact to forcibly
reinstall a subset, but -- Windows was never really designed for discrete
system component reinstall. Vista's install system is disappointing in that
it lacks this feature that COULD have potentially been added, but given that
OS install / migration / upgrade is a breathtaking task, I'll forgive them.
 

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