Wired Vs Wireless Network

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Charles Shapiro

I was here a couple of weeks ago trying to get some help on a network issue.
After exhausting all other possibilities it's come down to the router
(D-Link 614). The small network has 1 PC and one Laptop (wireless). I have
problems getting to the PC from the laptop. The wireless part of the setup
to access the internet works fine and the PC also access's the Internet
without any problems. When I try to access the PC from the laptop I get the
usual "Access denied", etc. Ping & Net View fail. I eliminated ALL the 3rd
part firewalls (turned off the XP firewall).

I finally got the network connected (each time on a temporary basis) by
opening a folder that made it do something network related, Open My Computer
then Network Places and voila the PC was accessible. I was pinging it from
the laptop and watch the 'time out' go to sending data. After a while I
only needed to reboot the machine and about 5-10 minutes after it was back
up and running it would all on it's own start being accessible (again,
watching the ping go from 'time out' to sending data.)

I bring the PC to my house, hook it up to my network (after changing the
workgroup name) and of course it works PERFECTLY! I am right now
transferring data from that PC to one of mine..

This all started when the client wanted to share her printer that was hooked
up to the PC. I told her sure it's easy, but it's been anything but...

I've been through the settings for the router (D-LINK 614) and can't see
anything that would block network traffic. Am I missing something. Until
now the router was only used to access the internet and this person has no
idea about networking machines together.

I have an extra wireless router here and am going to set up another network
between her PC and my laptop (wireless) to see if it works. If is does I am
going to replace her router with this one and am pretty confident it will
resolve this issue..

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

...Chip..
 
I was here a couple of weeks ago trying to get some help on a network issue.
After exhausting all other possibilities it's come down to the router
(D-Link 614). The small network has 1 PC and one Laptop (wireless). I have
problems getting to the PC from the laptop. The wireless part of the setup
to access the internet works fine and the PC also access's the Internet
without any problems. When I try to access the PC from the laptop I get the
usual "Access denied", etc. Ping & Net View fail. I eliminated ALL the 3rd
part firewalls (turned off the XP firewall).

I finally got the network connected (each time on a temporary basis) by
opening a folder that made it do something network related, Open My Computer
then Network Places and voila the PC was accessible. I was pinging it from
the laptop and watch the 'time out' go to sending data. After a while I
only needed to reboot the machine and about 5-10 minutes after it was back
up and running it would all on it's own start being accessible (again,
watching the ping go from 'time out' to sending data.)

I bring the PC to my house, hook it up to my network (after changing the
workgroup name) and of course it works PERFECTLY! I am right now
transferring data from that PC to one of mine..

This all started when the client wanted to share her printer that was hooked
up to the PC. I told her sure it's easy, but it's been anything but...

I've been through the settings for the router (D-LINK 614) and can't see
anything that would block network traffic. Am I missing something. Until
now the router was only used to access the internet and this person has no
idea about networking machines together.

I have an extra wireless router here and am going to set up another network
between her PC and my laptop (wireless) to see if it works. If is does I am
going to replace her router with this one and am pretty confident it will
resolve this issue..
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Chip,

When "Ping & Net View fail", are they failing as in "packets lost" / "request
timed out", or in "cannot resolve name" / "unknown host"? Are you using name
AND IP address?

When you "eliminated ALL the 3rd part firewalls", did you follow all
instructions from the vendor with extreme care? Many third party firewalls are
the very devil to remove successfully.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>

Also, check registry setting restrictanonymous.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>

Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
 
Chuck said:
Chip,

When "Ping & Net View fail", are they failing as in "packets lost" /
"request
timed out", or in "cannot resolve name" / "unknown host"? Are you using
name
AND IP address?

When you "eliminated ALL the 3rd part firewalls", did you follow all
instructions from the vendor with extreme care? Many third party
firewalls are
the very devil to remove successfully.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>

Also, check registry setting restrictanonymous.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>

Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you
learn
may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
Click to expand...


Thanks Chuck. It turned out to be an software problems. Seems that AOL
wants to install multiple firewalls. Since this system had a D-LINK router,
AOL installed a program called Port Magic (among other things a firewall),
it also installed McAcfee Security program (also included a firewall). I
disabled both of these and like I originally stated it works at times (
which is better than before), but it still wasn't right. After bringing the
PC home and creating my own little network between the PC and my laptop, I
determined it was software and re-installed XP and it worked PERFECTLY until
something ( A windows update I believe) broke it again, but this time
instead of telling me I didn't have access, I could PING, NET VIEW and even
see the PC (and it's shared drives, folders) from the laptop, it now wants
me to log onto the guest account.. Weird. I am still working on this
issue...

...Chip..
 
Thanks Chuck. It turned out to be an software problems. Seems that AOL
wants to install multiple firewalls. Since this system had a D-LINK router,
AOL installed a program called Port Magic (among other things a firewall),
it also installed McAcfee Security program (also included a firewall). I
disabled both of these and like I originally stated it works at times (
which is better than before), but it still wasn't right. After bringing the
PC home and creating my own little network between the PC and my laptop, I
determined it was software and re-installed XP and it worked PERFECTLY until
something ( A windows update I believe) broke it again, but this time
instead of telling me I didn't have access, I could PING, NET VIEW and even
see the PC (and it's shared drives, folders) from the laptop, it now wants
me to log onto the guest account.. Weird. I am still working on this
issue...

..Chip..
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Chip,

Multiple firewalls and Port Magic. I played with Port Magic before they
developed UPnP routers, it was a nice start, but UPnP is better.

There is a Windows Update that was applied recently, that had interesting and
myriad side effects.
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909444>

Which system is requesting the login - XP Home or Pro?
 
Chuck said:
Chip,

Multiple firewalls and Port Magic. I played with Port Magic before they
developed UPnP routers, it was a nice start, but UPnP is better.

There is a Windows Update that was applied recently, that had interesting
and
myriad side effects.
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909444>

Which system is requesting the login - XP Home or Pro?
Click to expand...

I think I encountered one of those side effects. :) One of the updates
broke it!

Both Home & Pro are requesting a password for the guest account that isn't
on ( at least
not in the user accounts in control panel.

I saw in another message using Net Use and some command to disable the guest
account. I didn't
do it, but I need to figure this thing out.

Thanks Chuck

...Chip..
 
Just to let you know and reinstall of XP did the trick. Pretty sure the
problem was causing by the software AOL installed. Port Magic and McAffee's
Security suite. (both installing firewalls) I returned the machine last
night, hooked it up and the network is working as designed. Printer shared
and working perfectly over the wireless connection, plus I shared her drives
without problems.

Thanks for your help.

...Chip..
 
Just to let you know and reinstall of XP did the trick. Pretty sure the
problem was causing by the software AOL installed. Port Magic and McAffee's
Security suite. (both installing firewalls) I returned the machine last
night, hooked it up and the network is working as designed. Printer shared
and working perfectly over the wireless connection, plus I shared her drives
without problems.

Thanks for your help.

..Chip..
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Chip,

Whenever AOHell is involved, my (tongue in cheek) advice would be:

"If it hurts every time you poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick
(AOHELL), the obvious solution is to quit poking yourself in the eye with a
sharp stick (AOHELL).

If you absolutely MUST poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick (AOHELL),
then feel free to seek assistance from the maker of the sharp stick
(AOHELL)."

So I think you have the right approach. Thanks for letting us know.
 
Chuck said:
Chip,

Whenever AOHell is involved, my (tongue in cheek) advice would be:

"If it hurts every time you poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick
(AOHELL), the obvious solution is to quit poking yourself in the eye with a
sharp stick (AOHELL).

If you absolutely MUST poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick (AOHELL),
then feel free to seek assistance from the maker of the sharp stick
(AOHELL)."

So I think you have the right approach. Thanks for letting us know.
Click to expand...

Chip and Chuck,

I think it's more likely that McAfee caused the problem than that AOL
caused it. I've seen several cases where McAfee's firewall, while
apparently configured properly, interfered with network access, and
the solution was to un-install McAfee.

In my experience, recent versions of AOL don't cause the types of
problems that gave AOL software such a bad reputation in the past.
The current version installs some un-necessary programs, and it
creates annoying desktop shortcuts to AOL sites, but I haven't seen it
interfere with networking on my computers or on my clients' computers,
and a lot of my clients use AOL.

AOL Port Magic, which is based on the Network Magic product from
www.purenetworks.com , is a very interesting and useful program. It
shows a graphical representation of your network, including computers,
routers, and shared printers. I don't use it to set up file and
printer sharing, because I prefer to use the standard Windows tools,
but I like the program's other capabilities, and I haven't seen it
cause networking problems.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
 
Chip and Chuck,

I think it's more likely that McAfee caused the problem than that AOL
caused it. I've seen several cases where McAfee's firewall, while
apparently configured properly, interfered with network access, and
the solution was to un-install McAfee.

In my experience, recent versions of AOL don't cause the types of
problems that gave AOL software such a bad reputation in the past.
The current version installs some un-necessary programs, and it
creates annoying desktop shortcuts to AOL sites, but I haven't seen it
interfere with networking on my computers or on my clients' computers,
and a lot of my clients use AOL.

AOL Port Magic, which is based on the Network Magic product from
www.purenetworks.com , is a very interesting and useful program. It
shows a graphical representation of your network, including computers,
routers, and shared printers. I don't use it to set up file and
printer sharing, because I prefer to use the standard Windows tools,
but I like the program's other capabilities, and I haven't seen it
cause networking problems.
Click to expand...

Steve,

Well, it could have been AOHell, and it could have been McCrappy. I don't
recommend either. Unfortunately, we'll never know.
 
Steve Winograd said:
Chip and Chuck,

I think it's more likely that McAfee caused the problem than that AOL
caused it. I've seen several cases where McAfee's firewall, while
apparently configured properly, interfered with network access, and
the solution was to un-install McAfee.

In my experience, recent versions of AOL don't cause the types of
problems that gave AOL software such a bad reputation in the past.
The current version installs some un-necessary programs, and it
creates annoying desktop shortcuts to AOL sites, but I haven't seen it
interfere with networking on my computers or on my clients' computers,
and a lot of my clients use AOL.

AOL Port Magic, which is based on the Network Magic product from
www.purenetworks.com , is a very interesting and useful program. It
shows a graphical representation of your network, including computers,
routers, and shared printers. I don't use it to set up file and
printer sharing, because I prefer to use the standard Windows tools,
but I like the program's other capabilities, and I haven't seen it
cause networking problems.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
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Steve, I was NOT blaming AOL, but the programs it installed, Port Magic or
McAfee, both having firewalls. Even after removing them the network still
didn't work. I know there are tricks to disabling those programs (ie: their
firewalls), and after reinstalling XP and AOL (she can't be without her
AOL), everything is working as designed..

...Chip..
 
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