Windows Vista Kills Unauthorised Apps

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Lester Stiefel

The latest I have noticed is that Windows Vista "Actively Kills"
Applications that are not on M$ authorized list of partner applications.
For this reason , Starting tomorrow I will be rolling back to Windows XP
pro SP2.

It (VISTA) is doing this against:
RealPlayer
Rhapsody
News Rover
Archivers, Splitters, Publishers

Does this seem that Microsoft is on the warpath against all 3rd party
software? YES

Isay to everyone - DUMP M$ OS ASAP!!!
 
It is just that apps that are not up to par are not working correctly. It is
up to the manufacturers of these apps to keep up with the current operating
system technology, or be left behind.

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Lester Stiefel said:
The latest I have noticed is that Windows Vista "Actively Kills"
Applications that are not on M$ authorized list of partner applications.
For this reason , Starting tomorrow I will be rolling back to Windows XP
pro SP2.

It (VISTA) is doing this against:
RealPlayer
Rhapsody
News Rover
Archivers, Splitters, Publishers
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Have you bothered going to the manufacturers of each of these
applications to see if they've provided Vista-compatible versions of these
applications? Don't blame Microsoft because other software manufacturers
are glacially slow to adapt; after all, Vista's development was delayed so
often that no other software manufacturer has any reasonable excuse for not
having Vista-compatible versions ready the day Vista was finally released.


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Lester Stiefel said:
The latest I have noticed is that Windows Vista "Actively Kills"
Applications that are not on M$ authorized list of partner applications.
For this reason , Starting tomorrow I will be rolling back to Windows XP
pro SP2.

It (VISTA) is doing this against:
RealPlayer
Rhapsody
News Rover
Archivers, Splitters, Publishers
Click to expand...


Forgot to ask: What happens when you try to run these incompatible
applications in "WinXP-compatibility" mode? Did you even try?

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Forgot to ask: What happens when you try to run these incompatible
applications in "WinXP-compatibility" mode? Did you even try?
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Of course he didn't. He just wanted to rant.

Steve
 
I love RealPlayer. I love Rhapsody. Microsoft has nothing against those
companies (coopetition is the way the software world generally works best).
RealNetworks is about ten miles away from where I live. They've got great
people who work there, some of whom are friends of mine.

If you are having problems with a specific application, you should be
specific about what's failing for you. Software is generally deterministic:
if you can describe the symptoms adequately (and that is always the great
challenge!) it's usually possible to make educated guesses as to what's
going on on even remote systems that you don't have access to. It's
certainly difficult - having direct system access is ideal - but -- the more
pertinent data better provided, the better responses you can get.

Bruce's comment about running in Compatibility Mode for those applications
is a pretty sound one - you may also be interested in turning off Data
Execution Prevention (DEP), which would allow an application to use memory
badly but may get those specific applications running. If that *does* help,
you really should contact the vendor for an update to their software. DEP
is there to stop bad things from happening to your system.
 
Bruce said:
Forgot to ask: What happens when you try to run these incompatible
applications in "WinXP-compatibility" mode? Did you even try?
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How does one run an app in "WinXP-compatibility" mode?

Thanks

Jason
 
How does one run an app in "WinXP-compatibility" mode?

Thanks

Jason
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Right click the Executable and select properties, if it can be run in
compatablity mode there will be a compatablity tab.

Dave

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I'm running News Rover version 11.3 on Vista Home Premium just fine. Didn't
even have to check compatibility mode. I do, however, install all my aps as
Administrator. Maybe that was your problem.

Kurt
 
I'm running News Rover version 11.3 on Vista Home Premium just
fine. Didn't even have to check compatibility mode. I do, however,
install all my aps as Administrator. Maybe that was your problem.

Kurt
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Xnews
HJsplit
winrar
winzip
quickpar
all work fine on my Vista machine
The only program I seem to have an issue with is VLC media player
under Aero, they say there is a work around for it but I'll just
wait for an update. It's really no hassle to switch off Aero to
watch a movie. OK OK porn ya caught me!!! lol

WMP 11 works fine I just prefer VLC


Haven't needed real player yet
and don't need rhapsody so I can't input on those.

Dave

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The only program I seem to have an issue with is VLC media player
under Aero, they say there is a work around for it but I'll just
wait for an update. It's really no hassle to switch off Aero to
watch a movie. OK OK porn ya caught me!!! lol\\
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Are you related to Justin? You keep proving you're just don't know
what you're talking about. Lot of that is this newsgroup.

I have VLC media player and you don't have to "turn Aero off" to watch
a movie. It happens automatically off and back on again with you doing
nothing. Hint: It isn't VLC, its Vista that controls it.

Geez... the misinformation that gets posted to this newsgroup is both
shocking and amusing.

Don't worry Dave, if you make more mistakes, I'll correct you. <grin>
 
Jason Parker said:
How does one run an app in "WinXP-compatibility" mode?
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Right-click on the shortcut that launches the application > Properties >
Compatibility tab.


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zachd said:
I love RealPlayer. I love Rhapsody. Microsoft has nothing against those
companies (coopetition is the way the software world generally works
best).
Click to expand...

Funny that in your sig you say that you don't speak for Microsoft, yet you
appear to be trying to do just that above.

You must have a pretty short memory in terms of the rocky relationship
between RealNetworks and Microsoft. Let me remind you what took place just
a few years ago ...

"Real hits Microsoft with $1 billion antitrust suit"

"In the suit, filed in federal court in San Jose, Calif., RealNetworks
alleges that Microsoft has "pursued a broad course of predatory conduct
over a period of years...resulting in substantial lost revenue and business
for RealNetworks."

RealNetworks CEO Rob Glaser The complaint adds that Microsoft has wielded
its "monopoly power to restrict how PC makers install competing media
players while forcing every Windows user to take Microsoft's media player,
whether they want it or not."

Full article here ...

http://news.com.com/2100-1025-5129316.html

The EU also appears to disagree with how chummy Microsoft has been with its
competitors, as witnessed by the way it has had to clampdown on Microsoft's
predatory business practices.

I won't get into all the antitrust actions that have been necessitated by
Microsoft's "business practises". It's all on the record and this article
should refresh your memory ...

http://news.com.com/Microsofts+antitrust+saga+continues/2100-1025_3-5129403.html

So, bring on the competition, you say? Microsoft loves it. Well you could
have fooled the world on that one.

Love and Kisses,
Doris
 
Doris said:
zachd [MSFT] wrote:

I love RealPlayer. I love Rhapsody. Microsoft has nothing against those
companies (coopetition is the way the software world generally works
best).
Click to expand...


Funny that in your sig you say that you don't speak for Microsoft, yet you
appear to be trying to do just that above.

You must have a pretty short memory in terms of the rocky relationship
between RealNetworks and Microsoft. Let me remind you what took place just
a few years ago ...

"Real hits Microsoft with $1 billion antitrust suit"

"In the suit, filed in federal court in San Jose, Calif., RealNetworks
alleges that Microsoft has "pursued a broad course of predatory conduct
over a period of years...resulting in substantial lost revenue and business
for RealNetworks."

RealNetworks CEO Rob Glaser The complaint adds that Microsoft has wielded
its "monopoly power to restrict how PC makers install competing media
players while forcing every Windows user to take Microsoft's media player,
whether they want it or not."

Full article here ...

http://news.com.com/2100-1025-5129316.html

The EU also appears to disagree with how chummy Microsoft has been with its
competitors, as witnessed by the way it has had to clampdown on Microsoft's
predatory business practices.

I won't get into all the antitrust actions that have been necessitated by
Microsoft's "business practises". It's all on the record and this article
should refresh your memory ...

http://news.com.com/Microsofts+antitrust+saga+continues/2100-1025_3-5129403.html

So, bring on the competition, you say? Microsoft loves it. Well you could
have fooled the world on that one.

Love and Kisses,
Doris



<snip>
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Oh Doris, you harbor so much hostility over not being accepted at MS.
Get over it girl! That much resentment will destroy you.
It almost sounds as if you've been slumming again with those linux
losers over at trash dot.
Have you? Shame on you as you know Rock would be very upset if he found out.
Maybe you should re-submit your MS app...then again you did so poorly on
that test...oh never mind.
Life is great!
(burp)
Frank
 
*shrug* I'm here as a friend and peer and am not going to engage in much
beyond trying to solve problems. If you're having problems with RealPlayer,
RealNetworks can probably help with those. If you think those problems are
caused by Microsoft, I'm intensely interested.

I realize a lot of people externally have a lot of strong feelings here.
That article from 2003 is cute, but it obviously behooves anyone from
Microsoft to love RealNetworks and be their friend. Why worry about it?
From my point of view, I'm happiest if RealNetworks work fabulously. I want
you to have a great multimedia experience, end of story, regardless of
client application. They've done a tremendous amount of good for the
industry, and Rhapsody can be a breathtakingly great application. If you
haven't tried it - do. It's a great application and can be great fun at
parties. (Subscription-based music services are really tailor-made for
parties.)

If you want to talk specific problems you are having with RealPlayer, I'm
all ears (although you should really probably talk to RealNetworks first).
But beyond that - trying to stir up controversy is boring. It's in the best
interests of everybody involved on every side if controversies get put in
the past and the focus is put on solutions. <3

Respectfully,
-Zach
 
Bruce Chambers said:
Have you bothered going to the manufacturers of each of these
applications to see if they've provided Vista-compatible versions of these
applications? Don't blame Microsoft because other software manufacturers
are glacially slow to adapt; after all, Vista's development was delayed so
often that no other software manufacturer has any reasonable excuse for
not having Vista-compatible versions ready the day Vista was finally
released.
Click to expand...

And exactly how is a developer to write for an OS that changes several times
before being released in half finished fashion? Why would a developer spend
many man hours writing applications or drivers knowing that MS would keep
moving the goal posts? Even MS can't write successful apps in advance
apparently - WLMD, Defender, OneCare and such. You just said that
yourself...

"after all, Vista's development was delayed so often"

:)
 
zachd said:
I love RealPlayer. I love Rhapsody. Microsoft has nothing against those
companies (coopetition is the way the software world generally works
best). RealNetworks is about ten miles away from where I live. They've
got great people who work there, some of whom are friends of mine.
Click to expand...

Yep, some of the best Spyware available :)
 
And exactly how is a developer to write for an OS that changes several
times before being released in half finished fashion?
Click to expand...


Developers never heard of the beta process before? They do so by
planning their work accordingly.

Why would a developer spend many man hours writing applications or drivers
knowing that MS would keep moving the goal posts?
Click to expand...


The refinements and minor tweaks done over the last year of Vista's beta
and release Candidate cycles hardly constitute "moving goal posts." Many
developers did just fine; many others arrarently didn't bother to try.

Even MS can't write successful apps in advance apparently - WLMD, Defender,
OneCare and such.
Click to expand...

If you say so. I've no idea what "WLMD" might be, Defender works about
as well as one would expect of a security app from Microsoft (iow, "just
good enough", "minimally adequate," and "better than nothing"), and the very
concept of One Care (turning one's computer's well-being over to an a
disinterested corporate entity) flies in the face of common sense and the
most basic of computer security practices; I'm not even tempted to test it.


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