Windows Vista difference.

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Dear all;

I just went to a nearby computer shop and find 2 type of Windows Ultimate.
One is the colourful type and the other is a white box type and is an OEM
edition. Well the difference is just $10.

Have any of you buy and OEM license and I am using a PC known as Compaq.
Will that OEM contain any logo it is registerered to? For example: Dell? And
if there anyone here have any comments on OEM version?

Thanks
Christopher Foo
 
With an OEM version, it will do a clean install only not an upgrade, and the
first computer you install it on, it is tied to forever.
For $10 more I would get the regular version.
My experience is a lot more price difference than that!
 
I agree, and in addition with Retail you get both 32-bit and 64-bit should
you decide to change later. With OEM it is one or the other, so make damn
sure you chose the one you need to use.
 
Isn't it tied to to the first computer for the retail as well as the OEM?
You still can't put it on all your computers in the house lol.
 
If you junk your computer some day in the future and buy a new one, your
license allows you to install Vista on your new computer.
 
ChrisFoo said:
Dear all;

I just went to a nearby computer shop and find 2 type of Windows Ultimate.
One is the colourful type and the other is a white box type and is an OEM
edition. Well the difference is just $10.

Have any of you buy and OEM license and I am using a PC known as Compaq.
Will that OEM contain any logo it is registerered to? For example: Dell?
And
if there anyone here have any comments on OEM version?

Thanks
Christopher Foo


Sounds like you're talking about pirated copies of Vista. Hard to believe
the difference between retail and OEM is only $10. The delta between the two
different offerings is far larger here.

Lang
 
As Gary said, but qualified. Your RETAIL license can be installed on the
new machine, or transferred to any machine (only 1 installation at a time)
OEM is tied to the first MOBO it is installed on.
 
Dear all;

Lucky I consult you all before I made a purchase. So an OEM version can only
install on one computer but retail can a lot provided only one computer
operates it, right. I think I better go for retail.

Well Lang Murphy, I am talking about original copies here. If pirated why I
bother choose OEM and not retail? Well our place dont have Microsoft office
or so and hence retailers here tend to import it (I think) from other
countries and you may buy Vista Ultimate cheaper in your area for me, I may
be paying 1.2 times your price. I am not sure on my OEM is just cheaper by
$10 but who knows may be the put the wrong price tag there? :-)

Regards
Christopher Foo
 
Isn't it tied to to the first computer for the retail as well as the OEM?

No.


You still can't put it on all your computers in the house lol.


Correct. You can only have a single license on one computer at a time.
But with a retail version, you *can* remove it from one computer and
install it on another. With an OEM version, you may not do that.
 
Ken Blake said:
Correct. You can only have a single license on one computer at a time.
But with a retail version, you *can* remove it from one computer and
install it on another. With an OEM version, you may not do that.

Sure you can. Just call MS and say "I am trying to reinstall Vista on my
home PC, the MB on my PC fried so I had to replace it. Could you please
help me register Vista?" They are going to ask you if it is on more than
one PC and there you go.

The only reason to move Vista is if your old machine had major trouble or
you upgraded hardware (which Vista "may" see as too big a change). You can
still only have it active on one machine at a time.

By-the-by I have already had to do this and it was no trouble at all.
 
Sure you can. Just call MS and say "I am trying to reinstall Vista on my
home PC, the MB on my PC fried so I had to replace it. Could you please
help me register Vista?" They are going to ask you if it is on more than
one PC and there you go.

The only reason to move Vista is if your old machine had major trouble or
you upgraded hardware (which Vista "may" see as too big a change). You can
still only have it active on one machine at a time.

By-the-by I have already had to do this and it was no trouble at all.


Read your EULA. What you did was a violation of that EULA. You got
away with it. I'm sure you weren't the first and you won't be the last
to get away with it. Nevertheless the rule is clear; you may not do
this.
 
Read your EULA. What you did was a violation of that EULA. You got away
with it. I'm sure you weren't the first and you won't be the last to get
away with it. Nevertheless the rule is clear; you may not do this.

So motherboards may not fail?

Motherboards may not break?

Even if the OS is just tied to one system and may not technically be
moved to another computer, it STILL has to be possible to replace defect
hardware. So even with an OEM copy of Vista, if my motherboard breaks, I
still have to be able to replace it.

At that point in time, I'm not moving it from one computer to another, I
am simply replacing a bad component in the same computer.

Sure from a technical standpoint there is no technical difference between
replacing a motherboard or installing on a different computer. The end
result is the same.

But hey, since MS can go play with the wording of the English language
and charge different pricing just on how they arrange their words in the
EULA, we as customers can play the same wording game.

I mean imagine I go out and build a system today with an OEM copy of
Vista. Now imagine that tomorrow powersupply fails and fries half my
system (hey, it's happened to me) due to manufacturers defect... MS can
not at this point in time require me to buy Vista *again*...OEM or not...

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Stephan Rose said:
So motherboards may not fail?

Motherboards may not break?

Even if the OS is just tied to one system and may not technically be
moved to another computer, it STILL has to be possible to replace defect
hardware. So even with an OEM copy of Vista, if my motherboard breaks, I
still have to be able to replace it.

At that point in time, I'm not moving it from one computer to another, I
am simply replacing a bad component in the same computer.

Sure from a technical standpoint there is no technical difference between
replacing a motherboard or installing on a different computer. The end
result is the same.

But hey, since MS can go play with the wording of the English language
and charge different pricing just on how they arrange their words in the
EULA, we as customers can play the same wording game.

I mean imagine I go out and build a system today with an OEM copy of
Vista. Now imagine that tomorrow powersupply fails and fries half my
system (hey, it's happened to me) due to manufacturers defect... MS can
not at this point in time require me to buy Vista *again*...OEM or not...

i bought OEM copy and didn't realise about this 1st machine clause - that
said, it makes no difference, i will be taking my copy of Vista to whichever
machine i happen to have and since M/Soft are not above the law they 'will'
be re-registering it

copyright laws have been established to protect the author and M/Soft aren't
at liberty to interpret them in whichever way suits them
 
So motherboards may not fail?

Motherboards may not break?

Even if the OS is just tied to one system and may not technically be
moved to another computer, it STILL has to be possible to replace defect
hardware.


Has to be? The only thing that has to be has to do with the terms of
the EULA that you agree to. Although I wish it were as simple as what
you say, unfortunately it is not.

So even with an OEM copy of Vista, if my motherboard breaks, I
still have to be able to replace it.


Unfortunately, Microsoft does not make it clear what constitutes the
same computer. Some people claim that the motherboard constitutes the
computer. However logical that might seem, the EULA does not state
that, and the EULA is the document that defines the rights of both
parties to the agreement.

Some of those people point to a web site for System Builders, where
Microsoft defines the computer as the motherboard. However it's not
what it says on some web site that defines the customer's rights, it's
the EULA; besides, that web site is not even available to the general
public. I'm not a lawyer, but my guess is that if it ever came to a
court case and someone cited that web site, he'd be laughed out of
court.

So, can you replace a motherboard, consider the result the same
computer, and reuse your OEM copy of Windows? Regardless of what I
think, you think, or anyone else thinks, or even what a court might
rule if it came to that, the real issue is whether Microsoft will
permit you to reactivate if you do. Unfortunately the answer is again
not clear-cut, and we have heard here from people who have had both
experiences--some were reactivated and others were not. If they refuse
to reactivate you and you take them to court, you might win, but who
of us would be willing to undergo that trouble and expense to find
out?

So the answer, with an OEM version, is that there is no real answer

At that point in time, I'm not moving it from one computer to another, I
am simply replacing a bad component in the same computer.


OK. If you are replacing the motherboard, good luck in reactivating
it. You may or may not be successful.

Sure from a technical standpoint there is no technical difference between
replacing a motherboard or installing on a different computer. The end
result is the same.

But hey, since MS can go play with the wording of the English language
and charge different pricing just on how they arrange their words in the
EULA, we as customers can play the same wording game.

I mean imagine I go out and build a system today with an OEM copy of
Vista. Now imagine that tomorrow powersupply fails and fries half my
system (hey, it's happened to me) due to manufacturers defect... MS can
not at this point in time require me to buy Vista *again*...OEM or not...


Unfortunately, unless you are willing to fight this in court, with all
the attendant expenses of your doing so, Microsoft can do whatever
they want. If they won't reactivate you, you will be out of luck
unless you are willing to undergo a legal battle.

But if you do fight, more power to you. I, for one, am very interested
in how your fight turns out. Please let us know.
 
i bought OEM copy and didn't realise about this 1st machine clause - that
said, it makes no difference, i will be taking my copy of Vista to whichever
machine i happen to have and since M/Soft are not above the law they 'will'
be re-registering it


"Will"? Good luck in your legal battles with Microsoft. Please be sure
to let us know how they turn out.

I'm not unsympathetic to your point of view, but that doesn't mean I
see much chance of your even beginning a legal battle with Microsoft,
let alone winning it.

copyright laws have been established to protect the author and M/Soft aren't
at liberty to interpret them in whichever way suits them


Yes, you're correct. Let us know how your legal battle with Microsoft
turns out.
 
me too, or just can give ms the middle finger, and go with linux. but not
everyone is crazy about changing to it, although it's much more reliable and
free no oem or whatever the heck you were saying

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Jonathan Perreault
Old Advice #1: Do Not Undermine Windows's Work, New Advice#2: Torture
Windows (Any) Now
Or It'll Undermine You As A User.
Before It Tortures You

Comment: No Matter The Problem Even With Linux
It's Microsoft's And Windows's Faults
 
Ken Blake said:
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Unfortunately, unless you are willing to fight this in court, with all
the attendant expenses of your doing so, Microsoft can do whatever
they want. If they won't reactivate you, you will be out of luck
unless you are willing to undergo a legal battle.

But if you do fight, more power to you. I, for one, am very interested
in how your fight turns out. Please let us know.

I'll put money on the outcome - Microsoft loose - when you buy software you
are buying the licence to use it - it's for that same reason that you can
legally copy it, despite software houses hate that you can and it paves the
way to piracy

M/S can't morally & hence legally dictate which machine you can use it on,
solely because they have the power to do so (it's misuse of power to act
unethically & illegally) and it doesn't matter how big they write it in
their t & c - sure they'd like to dictate terms and it would indeed reduce
piracy but by the same token it would reduce piracy if MS could paint all
their paying customers red - and they won't be able to enforce either terms
for exactly the same reasons

piracy is a problem and they can invent better ways to deal with it but just
because m/s 'say so' will not make it law and never will do - thank goodness
 
Remember that the OEM EULA is basically between the end user and the system
builder, and the system builder can't pass on more rights to the end user
than he has received from Microsoft.
That said, as to replacing a defective MOBO that has been an exception since
the adoption of the MOBO as the controlling component a year or so ago.
 
I'll put money on the outcome - Microsoft loose - when you buy software you
are buying the licence to use it - it's for that same reason that you can
legally copy it, despite software houses hate that you can and it paves the
way to piracy



If you have the courage of your convictions, you will undoubtedly want
to violate Microsoft's rules, and find yourself in court with them.
You probably have a lot of money to win if you do so.

As I said, please let us know the results of your legal battles with
them.
 
ChrisFoo said:
Dear all;

Lucky I consult you all before I made a purchase. So an OEM version can
only
install on one computer but retail can a lot provided only one computer
operates it, right. I think I better go for retail.

Well Lang Murphy, I am talking about original copies here. If pirated why
I
bother choose OEM and not retail? Well our place dont have Microsoft
office
or so and hence retailers here tend to import it (I think) from other
countries and you may buy Vista Ultimate cheaper in your area for me, I
may
be paying 1.2 times your price. I am not sure on my OEM is just cheaper by
$10 but who knows may be the put the wrong price tag there? :-)

Regards
Christopher Foo

Well... that begs the question: what's the price for retail? That was the
point I was trying to make: why buy OEM if retail is only $10 more? No one
in their right mind would buy OEM if retail were only $10 more. No one. So
that pricing structure smells funny, i.e., smells like pirated software.

Lang
 

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