Windows illogic.

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Harold W.

Is it just me or do you people get tired of the countless errors, inconsistancies and illogical
engineering of this operating system called Windows (2000 or XP)? I have just spent countless hours
trying to install Windows 2000 (and was very thankful I didn't have to use the dreaded floppies).
It was a total nightmare. A few questions for curiousity's sake......

When you move a hard drive from one computer to another, with the same recently installed and
updated OS, why is it not recognized? Yes, jumpers and cables have been checked and rechecked. It
just seems that the OS can't grasp its hardware well at all.

When installing a video card it asks me if I can trust the Microsoft driver. How bright is that?

When you assign a new Drive letter shouldn't that drive letter stay with the drive when you move it
providing there are no conflicts?

I'm using an Asus A7NBX (AMD) motherboard - does this have a lot of problems with Win 2000 pro?

Do copied CD's inherrantly have problems? I thought a copy was a copy was a copy. Are there some
files that just stubbornly don't copy well? That might explain some of the problems.

Why doesn't Microsoft just ask you all the questions in the beginning of the install so you don't
have to sit in front of it during the whole installation? And if there is a website that explains
clearly how to do an install copying the CD contents directly on to the hard drive that would be
swell if someone could point it out to me. That would save a pile of time. I read about it in a
Resource kit years ago and then misplaced the info.

Why isn't the Repair process explained? There are apparently 3 different repair processes (none
worked for me - what else is new?) with no tips on which one to use. And why aren't the 3 repair
processes grouped together? 2 are offered when you first install. Then when you choose to install
a new version another option for a repair is offered? What's the point?

Why doesn't Microsoft organize files files better in Windows? To throw everything in to "Program
Files" is like opening a room and throwing files on to the floor instead of in the fiile folder for
each. I realize you can reorganize the files/folders yourself but most newbies never do. Then they
can never find anything. Program files should be grouped like: Antivirus, Office programs,
Video/audio players, Diagnostic programs, Internet programs, etc - then people could actually find
their stuff. And why are files scattered all over the place? Application Data? Temp? If you have
an ABC file shouldn't everything associated with that file be in that ABC folder? Is that too
logical?
 
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Harold W. said:
Is it just me or do you people get tired of the countless errors,
inconsistancies and illogical

I've installed Win2K numerous times without any problem
When you move a hard drive from one computer to another, with the same
recently installed and

The Win2K + o/s is completely different to win9*, it is hw specific, thus if
you make major hw changes you have to 'repair the installation' - a simple
process, that has never caused me a problem
When installing a video card it asks me if I can trust the Microsoft
driver. How bright is that?

Its simply a process, with a std msg, informing you of something being
changed on your sys
When you assign a new Drive letter shouldn't that drive letter stay with the drive when you move it
providing there are no conflicts?

Because that was the way win was designed
I'm using an Asus A7NBX (AMD) motherboard - does this have a lot of
problems with Win 2000 pro?

I have A7N8X deluxe v2 on one sys, its caused no problems. In any case its
drivers that can cause problems, or conflicting background apps. If you wish
to run dual memory you have to insure its matched to your cpu/mobo spec. eg
not all PC3200 memory will run at full spec, depending on cpu
Do copied CD's inherrantly have problems? I thought a copy was a copy was
a copy. Are there some

Not really allthough some apps might not release the file, thus causing
corruption. eg Outlook pst, if not closed.
Why doesn't Microsoft just ask you all the questions in the beginning of
the install so you don't

Copy any cd directly to your hd, and use the app installer - though not all
cd's can be copied.
Why isn't the Repair process explained? There are apparently 3 different
repair processes (none

The MS kb clearly explains what repair to use, when
Why doesn't Microsoft organize files files better in Windows? To throw
everything in to "Program

Organise Apps to App specific Folders would require the software writers to
ammend their software to do this, so MS cannot help. Its down to the
individual App as to how they organise their on files
 
Is it just me or do you people get tired of the countless errors,
inconsistancies and illogical

I've installed Win2K numerous times without any problem

recently installed and

The Win2K + o/s is completely different to win9*, it is hw specific, thus if
you make major hw changes you have to 'repair the installation' - a simple
process, that has never caused me a problem

That would explain all the hardware problems I've been happening. It definitely doesn't enjoy
having its hardware changed.
Because that was the way win was designed

So if one is moving hard drives (obviously not C:) back and forth between 2 computers should I let
it select the drive letter automatically and leave the name blank?
problems with Win 2000 pro?

I have A7N8X deluxe v2 on one sys, its caused no problems. In any case its
drivers that can cause problems, or conflicting background apps. If you wish
to run dual memory you have to insure its matched to your cpu/mobo spec. eg
not all PC3200 memory will run at full spec, depending on cpu

Interesting - about 10% of the boot ups result in "memory test failed" then it seems to run fine.
It seems to be a faulty audio message from the bios.
a copy. Are there some

Not really allthough some apps might not release the file, thus causing
corruption. eg Outlook pst, if not closed.

I'm installing on a formatted hard drive so nothing is 'open' if that's what you meant.
If not, please expand.
the install so you don't

Copy any cd directly to your hd, and use the app installer - though not all
cd's can be copied.

Win 2000 pro? And what is the "app installer"? Can you please name the file if possible?
repair processes (none

The MS kb clearly explains what repair to use, when

Did you leave off something here? What is the "kb"?
everything in to "Program

Organise Apps to App specific Folders would require the software writers to
ammend their software to do this, so MS cannot help. Its down to the
individual App as to how they organise their on files
Fair enough. Still if they could start newbies off in a direction of file organization I think that
people would enjoy their computers much more and wouldn't have that sinking, lost feeling when
trying to find a file that they know is in there "somewhere". If MS tried harder to start the new
computer users off in an organized direction I would think that people would integrate their
computers far more into their everyday lives. That's really what MS wants - to be an integral part
of a families' electronic experience.
 
So if one is moving hard drives (obviously not C:) back and forth between
2 computers should I let
it select the drive letter automatically and leave the name blank?

You can give a drive a name, the name will remain even if you move it to
another position - allthough a duplicate name might give problems, allow
win. to allocate drive letter
Interesting - about 10% of the boot ups result in "memory test failed" then it seems to run fine.
It seems to be a faulty audio message from the bios.

Dont worry unneccessarily about the audio memory msg - it rarely means
anything.
Missmatched memory will likely result in blue screens or lockups.If buying
dual memory purchase from a recognised brand and use their memory config to
select the correct modules. eg Kingston,Crucile etc
I'm installing on a formatted hard drive so nothing is 'open' if that's
what you meant.

I thought you meant burning a file to cd
Win 2000 pro? And what is the "app installer"? Can you please name the
file if possible?

Usually setup.exe (application installer)
Did you leave off something here? What is the "kb"?

KB = knowledge base. See below, in no particular order.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;238359
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;268106
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=292175
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=306952
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;824125
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304868
Fair enough. Still if they could start newbies off in a direction of file organization I think that
people would enjoy their computers much more and wouldn't have that
sinking, lost feeling when

You may have a point there, however its no all down to MS. Every App. I've
come across installs by default to the C drive, many do not allow an
alternative drive unless you specify the Custom Install option.
So inexperienced users may find their C drive full, but have an empty 2nd
partition/hd
Most apps. that create data files have an option to specify the location of
these, often My Documents. Personally I moved My Documents off the
windows/system drive, thus if I have to format my sys drive I dont have to
worry about data - right click My Documents/Properties/Move -
 
So if one is moving hard drives (obviously not C:) back and forth between
You can give a drive a name, the name will remain even if you move it to
another position - allthough a duplicate name might give problems, allow
win. to allocate drive letter

Now THAT's logical. Names are more individual than letters.
Dont worry unneccessarily about the audio memory msg - it rarely means
anything.
Missmatched memory will likely result in blue screens or lockups.If buying
dual memory purchase from a recognised brand and use their memory config to
select the correct modules. eg Kingston,Crucile etc

Or just test in your machine before leaving. Do you think dual channel
makes much difference in Win2k Pro, everything else being equal?
file if possible?

Usually setup.exe (application installer)

Right. That's what I was using.

I always find no knowledge in the KB. Or its so technical it defeats
its purpose. Usually Googling gives a more lamen's language result.
But I'll check out the articles. I guess the problem with the MS
sight is it rarely admits its own weaknesses whereas other sites have
no problem with that. I think they might relish it a bit.
sinking, lost feeling when

You may have a point there, however its no all down to MS. Every App. I've
come across installs by default to the C drive, many do not allow an
alternative drive unless you specify the Custom Install option.
So inexperienced users may find their C drive full, but have an empty 2nd
partition/hd

Yes - agreed. That brings up another point - any app that doesn't need to
install on C: should hever install on C:. Its too bad that so many need to -
it makes reinstalling Windows 10x longer than necessary as you have to
re-install so many programs then go about fixing the settings to your needs.
Once again, if MS admitted that its Windows OS will inevitably cause the most
problems and will most likely be your greatest time occupier in reinstalling
when things go awry and setup at least 2 partitions for that very reason....life
would be better in the PC world. But hey - what huge company is going to
admit weaknesses and open up litigatious vulnerablities?
Most apps. that create data files have an option to specify the location of
these, often My Documents. Personally I moved My Documents off the
windows/system drive, thus if I have to format my sys drive I dont have to
worry about data - right click My Documents/Properties/Move -
I did that long ago - sheer logic when you think about it. Thanks for the input.
 
Now THAT's logical. Names are more individual than letters.

Excepting registry logs drive letter not name, when identifying
Or just test in your machine before leaving. Do you think dual channel
makes much difference in Win2k Pro, everything else being equal?

Probably not unless maybe working with vid/graphics
it makes reinstalling Windows 10x longer than necessary as you have to
re-install so many programs then go about fixing the settings to your
needs.

You will have to reinstall Apps.no matter which drive you install to,
because of the changes they make to the registry on installing ( assuming
you have to format the sys drive)
 
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