Windows Explorer search problem (Vista Ultimate)

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I moved a subdirectory within my Documents directory. Now when I do a search
for a file type (eg. * doc) the search still picks up an entry for the old
file location as well as the new one. If I try to launch Word using the
prior entry I get an error message from Word. I have tried refresh and even
rebooted from power off. The search still picks up an entry for the old
files.
 
oh yes....windows indexing... lol ....

I wont go into that again...

if you read some of my older posts you will see why its a bad idea
 
The search index may be lagging a little. Try searching for a word in the
body of the document, or the filename, and see what happens with that
approach. Don't use the wildcard (*) or .doc. And try doing the search right
from the Start menu using a word from inside the document or maybe a word
from the filename. Once that's working, try the other older method (*.doc).
 
The search index may be lagging a little.

now imagine what will happen in the near future with 100mb internet
connections
and files changing from hour to hour....

indexing will always be showing incorrect information
or it will be working 24/7 just to keep up... slowing down everything

thus indexing is a bad idea... I turn it off along with UAC
 
Ok here goes an ignorant question. How do I turn this f?/*!!*ing "feature"
off? It doesn't seem like something that is particularly useful at all...
I've been a computer geek since the late 1960's (yes the 60's). I started
with the IBM 1620 which was the size of my garage and had the power of a
pocket calculator. I went through CDC Compass, Multics, Unix (learned from
Ken Thompson), VRTX, Windows 2.01, etc. and I am worn out trying to keep up
with the "latest" just for the sake of keeping up. If it isn't useful I
don't want to have to deal with it. I have seen more than one new feature.
- Pardon the rant... I just want something to work...
 
Dont need to say sorry for your rant. I am with you 100%.
I dont like many of the features of vista.. and want to turn them off as
soon as possible.

Dont feel that you dont want to keep in pace with changes.... this is not
true...
you want changes that are logical helpful and do not give erronious search
results! lol
You want easy and logical OS's that just work... and thats how Vista should
have been made.

To turn off search indexing....
go to the control panel (press classic link on the left to see all the
icons)
administration tools> services> and the service is called windows search (I
believe).
If you turn this off you will search normally without the indexing...

This is what I always do.. I just keep my files organised .. I dont like
indexing at all...
google desktop, coperneric, and windows desktop search all try to do that
same thing...
its a bad idea for computers that dont have lots of changes all the time.
My computer is in constant flux....

for some it may be ok.. but not for me...

Hope this helps
 
Generally the indexer should keep up with file changes, although after
booting Vista for the first time or making very large changes to your file
layout it may take a while. You can see a little bit more information about
what the indexer is doing by going to the Indexing Options control panel.

If you want to disable indexing you can go Start -> type Services, and in
the Services app set the Windows Search service to "Disabled" {you'll know
if you no longer have SearchIndexer.exe running on your machine.

However personally I find having an index invaluable. I have thousands of
e-mails, documents etc. that it just wouldn't be feasible to search without
an index.

Dave
 
However personally I find having an index invaluable. I have thousands of
e-mails, documents etc. that it just wouldn't be feasible to search
without an index.
Click to expand...


How do I survive without EVER installing a dreaded indexer on my computer?
Having a stupid service scaning all your files all the time is a waste of
cpu power,
it makes your hard disk thrash all the time... oh I absolutly hate it...

Google made one, copernic made one.. and as always MS followed the leader
and made their own version of it. Windows desktop search for XP was on of
the worse
softwares I have EVER come accross. It forced me to FORMAT once because the
uninstaller did not work and the restore points before the time of
installation had been purged....

Now office 2007 when you install it on XP urges you (and is in your face all
the time) to install
that desktop search.. NEVER AGAIN!

I know how to be very organized...

I can find things faster than you with your indexer.. there is normal search
you know.. you dont have to index in order to search..

I have hundreds of thousands of files and I am downloading 24/7 ... no
indexer can keep up with me.
 
Yeah, each to his/her own I guess. I work in Windows Search so I'm clearly
not an impartial observer. But for me, at least, the killer feature is the
e-mail search - like many people I get way too many mails in a day and I
often need to look back at e-mails from months or years ago. A non-indexed
search would be far too slow for this scenario.

Dave
 
you work on windows search???

I hope then my observations about the search on xp & vista will reach
someone in MS...
This is not to insult you guys.. and I know that no one person makes the
decisions...
but please have the following 3 things in mind... and tell someone over
there.
I would love to see all MS products get even better.

1-the fact that if something goes wrong you can no longer uninstall it -
(see unlimited number of web pages that talk about this on Google).. the
integration is too much....

2- the fact that office2007 bugs you to install it when you office on xp,
and if you don't install it on outlook it retains that nagging yellow info
bar (there should be a way to turn that nagging bar off)...

3- Also one more thing.. windows vista should ASK you if you want to turn it
on or off.. having a
GUI button that you can see with ease.. on XP it had that small link that
let you turn indexing on and off..in vista they don't even have the link...

Thank you for listening...
 
That's an excellent point about Windows Search -- one that hasn't been made
before.

The up-front disclaimer shows you're honest too.

Thanks.

DSH
 
1. There is an uninstaller for WDS 3.0 / 3.01 and in general it works fine
{I just ran it myself on my XP box}. But I have seen a couple of threads on
the MSDN Forums where people are having trouble uninstalling. We haven't yet
been able to repro this issue in-house but we are looking to this. If you
are experiencing this problem again let us know.

2. According to the Outlook docs, you can disable the reminder by going to
Tools menu -> Options -> Other -> Advanced Options -> "Show prompts to
enable Instant Search check box". I did a search on "search" in the Outlook
help and clicked around a bit to find this.

3. It would be an interesting idea to add a button on the Indexing Options
control panel, or in Explorer somewhere to turn indexing off for people who
don't want it. I'll make a note of it, but I'm not certain this will be in
future versions. Our goal is that Indexed search will work fine for most
users, and advanced users who want to disable it will know to go to the
Services control panel to do that. We do a lot of work in Vista to limit the
resource usage of indexing so it doesn't interfere with your normal
operation of your computer so again if that's not what you are seeing we'd
like to hear about it.


Dave
 
Ok.. I looked around and tried to remember what happend with WDS on XP.

I can assure you there are thousands of posts about this, now a few on
MSDN... lol
infact its a jungle out there about this issue. See these 2 links

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=u...arch&hl=en&sa=N&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&tab=wg

http://www.google.com/search?q=unin...arch&hl=en&sa=N&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&tab=gw

after doing updates I usually delete the
%systemroot%\$NtUninstallKBXXXXXXX

because I never intend to uninstall an update...
WDS however was one of those...

With that deleted and with the system restore point purged I could not
uninstall it.

I could not install the same desktop search again either beacuse it said it
was already installed...

I tried various methods to extract the installer and place the files
manually in the correct location to do the install.

After several hours of search, reading numerous problems by other people.. I
got so frustrated that I said I would format. Now I am a tech and I find it
a personal challenge when something doesnt work.. I insist until I find the
solution...and I find it almost always! I dont like the computer
doing "whatever it wants"... but in this case I was so frustrated I
formated.. and this was
a 1 year instalation of windows... I did not find an "uninstaller" on the
internet, and If I cant find it, no simple user can...
You may say that I was dumb to delete the kb folders... well dont rush into
that conclusion... I had no way of knowing that
an application for searching would be seen as an update. Also there are
programs that clean up the pc like ccleaner and
some others that delete these files.... So I am sure that more people would
have the same problem...

Why not make it a NORMAL program that installs in a normal folder along with
all the files needed to uninstall it?
Why not make it possible to switch from the WDS to the old way of searching?
Let me tell you why I didnt like WDS

It was taking too much time to index, and I had no way to search using the
old interface of XP.... and I couldnt remove WDS either...
I tried to search after a couple of hours and I had no results (because it
was still indexing). But I could not use the normal search either.
Now listen... with HDD getting to the terrabyte size the indexing of files
will take longer and longer... if you have WDS on a new computer
that you slowly add files its ok... if you install WDS on a computer like
mine that has 800 GB of files.... well indexing is too slow and will take
several days.. and during that time I will not be able to search correctly.

I can tell you feeling that you have no control over something is scary if
you are a tech... lol

anyway.. I hope the above information will give you an insight to what was
going on... and also please understand, that if I
was having problems, I am sure that simple users will also be having
problems...

Simplicity is the best way to do it... perhaps a start up menu entry with
options to uninstall it, and or make it the default search (or not)
would be best.... I understand the intent of MS to make it a hidden service
working in the background and it to be transparent to the user..

however.. when things go wrong, this is dangerous..

Thanks again... I read your other comments and have saved that info for the
future...
 
1. There is an uninstaller for WDS 3.0 / 3.01 and in general it works fine
{I just ran it myself on my XP box}. But I have seen a couple of threads on
the MSDN Forums where people are having trouble uninstalling. We haven't yet
been able to repro this issue in-house but we are looking to this. If you
are experiencing this problem again let us know.

2. According to the Outlook docs, you can disable the reminder by going to
Tools menu -> Options -> Other -> Advanced Options -> "Show prompts to
enable Instant Search check box". I did a search on "search" in the Outlook
help and clicked around a bit to find this.

3. It would be an interesting idea to add a button on the Indexing Options
control panel, or in Explorer somewhere to turn indexing off for people who
don't want it. I'll make a note of it, but I'm not certain this will be in
future versions. Our goal is that Indexed search will work fine for most
users, and advanced users who want to disable it will know to go to the
Services control panel to do that. We do a lot of work in Vista to limit the
resource usage of indexing so it doesn't interfere with your normal
operation of your computer so again if that's not what you are seeing we'd
like to hear about it.


Dave
 
I wanted to give Search a try. I have been a long user of copernic desktop
search for searching my acrhives of PDFS. It worked fine.

I wanted to give search a try. I note that the default for windows search is
only to search outlook and not much else. It does not seem to search the
main folders on my hard drive. I see how to change that. Is it worth while.
Has anyone benched its performance against copernic?

More importantly, I have identified a bug issue in search. I switched to a
new VISTA box with a Core2 Duo 6400, 3 gig and raid1 sata. I loaded a 1 gig
PST file. As long as the PST file was was included, I was regularly getting
PST corruption messages from outlook after restarting outlook. Even if I was
real careful to see that outlook had closed before shutting the compute
computer off. As soon as I unchecked PST in the Microsoft search, the
problem dissappeared.
 
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