Will WGA Force People to Buy Another Copy of XP?

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Being as the WGA spyware sends the BIOS information and the hard drive
serial number to MS, does this mean that if one changes one's hard
drive, motherboard or flashes the BIOS that the hapless PAYING customer
will have to buy another copy of XP?

Alias
 
Alias said:
Being as the WGA spyware sends the BIOS information and the hard drive
serial number to MS, does this mean that if one changes one's hard drive,
motherboard or flashes the BIOS that the hapless PAYING customer will have
to buy another copy of XP?

Alias
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It depends on the version and what they change. Generally if they don't
make too many changes at a time they won't have to reactivate. If they have
and OEM version it's probably tied to the motherboard and BIOS. If they
have a Retail version the worst that can happen is that they'll have to
activate by telephone.
 
Frank said:
It depends on the version and what they change. Generally if they
don't make too many changes at a time they won't have to reactivate.
If they have and OEM version it's probably tied to the motherboard
and BIOS. If they have a Retail version the worst that can happen is
that they'll have to activate by telephone.
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Um Frank, Activation (MPA) and Validation (WGA) are two different
things. This question was about Validation (WGA), what information it
collects, and how MS uses it. MS has no clearly stated policy about how
computer changes effect Validation (WGA), like they have spelled out for
Activation (MPA).

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Kurt Kirsch
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http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
Which begs the question;
What business is it of MS to collect data of other manufacturer's
hardware that is essentially a fingerprint of who bought the motherboard-in
relation to validating it's "Genuine" o.s.?
Would GM, Ford or any other reputable company deny their customers use
of their vehicle because they changed the engine???
Which then follows, When did the onus of responsibility fall to the end
customer to have to CONSTANTLY "validate" their "Genuine" software?
I wonder how people would feel if they had to "phone home" to
GM,FORD;Toyota etc. to "validate" that they indeed owned/leased "Genuine"
vehicles everytime they used said vehicle to go to work,pick up the kids
etc???
Jeff
 
Jeff,

I disapprove of WGA just like the next person, but I also have to register
my car every year to New Jersey Motor Vehicles at $45 a pop so I think you
should maybe look for another analogy. But I do agree with what you're
saying.

Drew
 
Drew,
Very well put. I am done with this issue;as it seems MS is intent on it.
For good or bad; I am not at issue about stopping counterfeiting. just the
insidious methodology of KB905474.
Jeff
 
Drew said:
Jeff,

I disapprove of WGA just like the next person, but I also have to
register my car every year to New Jersey Motor Vehicles at $45 a pop
so I think you should maybe look for another analogy. But I do agree
with what you're saying.
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What if you had to register your car every day?

Or every time you wanted to drive it?

rl
 
What if you had to register it every time you had the audacity to do all
this together:

1 Change the Oil
AND
2 Change Oil filter
AND
3 Tune the engine...

Now why would you *ever* want to do all that together :-)
 
Most new vehicles now have an embedded security code
installed in the ignition key.

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| Drew Tognola wrote:
| > Jeff,
| >
| > I disapprove of WGA just like the next person, but I also have to
| > register my car every year to New Jersey Motor Vehicles at $45 a pop
| > so I think you should maybe look for another analogy. But I do agree
| > with what you're saying.
|
|
| What if you had to register your car every day?
|
| Or every time you wanted to drive it?
|
| rl
| --
| Human beings, who are almost unique in having
| the ability to learn from the experience of others,
| are also remarkable for their apparent
| disinclination to do so. Douglas Adams
|
|
 
Carey said:
Most new vehicles now have an embedded security code
installed in the ignition key.
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But you don't have to change the key five times and counting! Are you
saying that this is the last of the WGAs?

Alias
 
Ah Carey,
Good to see you stick up for what you believe is a "GOOD" thing.
Sorta strange however; my BRAND NEW JEEP doesn't automatically come
with a "security" key and;if I did request it; it was of my OWN volition,
not FORCED upon me deceptively!!
I have stated enough over this issue; and am getting tired of it. But as
a FINAL note, I do lease a valid copy of XP;am willing to
validate;voluntarily; and see nothing but harm in the methods employed in
this issue of KB905474.
Jeff
 
But you don't have to change the key five times and counting! Are you
saying that this is the last of the WGAs?
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The security code in the ignition key is for my protection, not to prove
to the manufacturer that I own my car.

The only time the key has to be changed is when I lose it.

(A not uncommon occurrance, but nothing to do with this analogy.)

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff
 
Rhonda,
Seems that No point will get through to those;whose belief is
unshakeable;however wrong;convoluted it may be.
In a way; I'm starting to feel sorry for them!! LOL

Jeff
 
Those embedded security chips in newer cars are actually connected to the
NSA's brainwave transducer located in a basement in Crawford, TX. They can
be defeated by wrapping your car in tin foil which has the added benefit of
keeping you safer on the highway since you are so visible.
http://www.raptureme.com/photo/tulsa2/z56.jpg
 
Carey said:
Most new vehicles now have an embedded security code
installed in the ignition key.
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And the embedded chip is for the benefit and use of the
owner/driver of the vehicle. The embedded chip does not
invalidate the operating permit of the driver nor brand
the automobile as being illegal. How's that for starters
at collapsing this comparison model?
 
Ghostrider said:
And the embedded chip is for the benefit and use of the
owner/driver of the vehicle. The embedded chip does not
invalidate the operating permit of the driver nor brand
the automobile as being illegal. How's that for starters
at collapsing this comparison model?
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You gotta take into consideration that Carey is bucking for his dream
job at Microsoft. Either that, or he's incredibly naive.

Alias
 
You forgot to say that one must also re-register the vehicle with
DMV each time & pay a new vehicle license fee since the sparkplugs
& the other items were not part of the original vehicle.....
 
Alias said:
You gotta take into consideration that Carey is bucking for his dream
job at Microsoft. Either that, or he's incredibly naive.

Alias
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He's trying too hard. Starting to wonder just how he managed
to ascend to the level that he has. Are they really that short
of qualified computer experts in Virginia, just outside of the
Capitol Beltway?
 
Alias said:
Being as the WGA spyware sends the BIOS information and the hard drive
serial number to MS, does this mean that if one changes one's hard drive,
motherboard or flashes the BIOS that the hapless PAYING customer will have
to buy another copy of XP?
Click to expand...

Yes.
 
Drew Tognola said:
Jeff,

I disapprove of WGA just like the next person, but I also have to register
my car every year to New Jersey Motor Vehicles at $45 a pop so I think you
should maybe look for another analogy. But I do agree with what you're
saying.
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So you think it's perfectly fair for Microsoft to just randomly cancel the
license that was paid for?

How much to you pay the MAKER of your automobile every year? How often do
they come to your door and demand to see that THEIR car hasn't been
modified?
 
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