Why Aren't Companies Switching enmass to OpenOffice?

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Microsoft Office costs hundreds of dollars.

OpenOffice is free.

So why are people still paying hundreds of dollars to purchase
the latest Microsoft Office?

It just does not make sense.
 
Stimpy said:
Microsoft Office costs hundreds of dollars.

OpenOffice is free.

So why are people still paying hundreds of dollars to purchase
the latest Microsoft Office?

It just does not make sense.

Sure it does. People associate OpenOffice with linux and don't want anything
to do with it.
 
Stimpy said:
Microsoft Office costs hundreds of dollars.

OpenOffice is free.

So why are people still paying hundreds of dollars to purchase
the latest Microsoft Office?

It just does not make sense.


Until OpenOffice offers an identical feature set to Microsoft Office,
it won't be able to compete. While OpenOffice is more than adequate to
meet the needs of most home users, it still can't cut it in the business
world.


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Microsoft Office costs hundreds of dollars.

OpenOffice is free.

So why are people still paying hundreds of dollars to purchase
the latest Microsoft Office?

It just does not make sense.

If it doesn't make sense to you, then you don't understand the power of
MS Office or the issues in sharing documents with Non-MS Office users.

If the standard was RTF, then it would be a simple change to OO, but,
since many companies have invested in templates, office applications,
interfaces from third-party solutions that use MS Office, it's just not
simple to switch to OO.
 
Have you actually run the spreadsheet from Open Office and compared it
to MS Excel of Wordperfect Quatropro?

I have, and it is about a tenth as fast as MS and Word perfect. In fact
when working with graphs it just about stops.

I was attracted to the cost, but could not handle the speed issue.

The word processor is acceptable, and could be a substitute for either
MS or Wordperfect.

The open office database, is nearly unusable.
 
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Microsoft Office costs hundreds of dollars.

OpenOffice is free.

So why are people still paying hundreds of dollars to purchase
the latest Microsoft Office?

It just does not make sense.

It makes perfect sense for companies with a
long-established relationship with Microsoft (that's most
of them!) to continue to rely on them for such things as
Microsoft Office.

It hasn't failed them.

Yet.

And it's not hundreds of dollars. It depends on the size
of the company and I frankly don't know what the cost of
enterprise licensing is, but it could be well up into the
millions for a big 10,000-employee affair.

Small wonder Microsoft is profitable.
 
Microsoft Office costs hundreds of dollars.

OpenOffice is free.

So why are people still paying hundreds of dollars to purchase
the latest Microsoft Office?

It just does not make sense.

I concur - 100%. Actually, I've just converted our local library's office
computers to OO. Been running Linux on the public access internet
computers for nearly two years.
 
Stimpy said:
Microsoft Office costs hundreds of dollars.

Yes, but most of your largest corporations don't pay for licenses, they
pay for support contracts, which were signed as early as 2001, shortly
after the release of Windows XP. These companies are audited and are
required to purchase enough support contracts for every employee. In
exchange, the company gets discounted prices, automatic security and
version updates, and upgrades.
OpenOffice is free.

Which makes it nearly impossible to count. We know how many copies
were downloaded from mirrors that report the downloads. Unfortunately,
this could be 1/2 to 1/4 the number installed. We know that there were
over 100 million copies of OpenOffice 2.0 loaded. But were there 100
million copies deployed? Or 400 million?

The good thing about OpenOffice being free is that it can be easily
distributed and shared with many people and installed on multiple
systems. The downloaded software can be installed on Windows and Linux
So why are people still paying hundreds of dollars to purchase
the latest Microsoft Office?

Most people don't pay retail. They don't pay out of their own pockets
at all. Some CIO tries to balance the risk of getting sued, the
feasibility of eliminating Windows entirely, and the duration of the
next support contract, to determine the lowest possible amount he can
spend to get the service and licenses that are actually needed, but
balance those licenses and costs against the minimum commitments and
"all or nothing" terms offered by Microsoft. He may even be rated,
promoted, and get bonuses based on how much his IT organization spends.

Since it costs nothing to download and install OpenOffice, there is no
approval required, therefore no tracking of actual usage. Even if 95%
of the staff is using OpenOffice, there are no records in the expense
reports, no auditors demanding an accounting, not even the threat of an
invasion by the SPA, BSA, or some other "Software Nazi" organization.
It just does not make sense.

The problem is that you are making three assumptions, which are totally
incorrect.

One, that each individual is making the decision to spend their own
money. The decision to deploy MS-Office is not theirs, it is that of
the Corporate Information Officer. In some cases, the administrators
are required to install it. Even if it is never used, it is counted as
if it was.

Two, that no one who uses Microsoft Office ever uses Open Office. The
decision to use Open Office is often that of the individual end-user,
who can download, install, and configure the software, and even share
it with coworkers in a workgroup, department, or division, without
having to download, register, or report another copy.

Three, that use of the two are mutually exclusive. There are probably
hundreds of millions of users who use a both OpenOffice and MS-Office,
much the same way that people use both firefox and IE. For much the
same reason. There some documents written by and for MS-Office which
don't display well on OO. On the other hand, many users prefer
OpenOffice to MS-Office for general use. It's faster, simpler, and
easier to share documents.


Rex
 
Stimpy said:
Microsoft Office costs hundreds of dollars.

OpenOffice is free.

So why are people still paying hundreds of dollars to purchase
the latest Microsoft Office?

It just does not make sense.

Companies, I don't know.

But personal users -- that is a real mystery.

Take a typical home user -- he gets his PC at Office Depot. It has Windows
XP on it. He needs an Office product, one that can read standard Office
documents.

Questions:

1) why doesn't he simply download it and install it to his Windows machine
(I did).

2) Why doesn't every white box vendor put Open Office on every Windows
machine they sell and proclaim in their advertising: "Comes complete with
an MS Office compatible suite". That alone would seem to add $500 of value
right there.
 
John said:
Companies, I don't know.

But personal users -- that is a real mystery.

Take a typical home user -- he gets his PC at Office Depot. It has
Windows
XP on it. He needs an Office product, one that can read standard Office
documents.

Questions:

1) why doesn't he simply download it and install it to his Windows machine
(I did).

2) Why doesn't every white box vendor put Open Office on every Windows
machine they sell and proclaim in their advertising: "Comes complete with
an MS Office compatible suite". That alone would seem to add $500 of
value right there.
They will buy that which is used at work.
 
They aren't. Those who buy bundled systems, particularly home systems
sometimes request Microsoft Works, because it costs less than Microsoft
Office. However, Open Office beats the socks off Microsoft Works.
Have you actually run the spreadsheet from Open Office and compared it
to MS Excel of Wordperfect Quatropro?

I have, and it is about a tenth as fast as MS and Word perfect. In
fact when working with graphs it just about stops.

Pure tosh, plain and simple. I use both. I use Open Office to open large
multitab spreadsheets with links to other spreadsheets and it works. It is
not 1/10th as fast as MS Word and WordPerfect, speed compares favourably.
Obviously you have never used Excel, it takes about 20 seconds to open a
large spreadsheet.
I was attracted to the cost, but could not handle the speed issue.

The word processor is acceptable, and could be a substitute for either
MS or Wordperfect.

I use Open Office on several machines, one being an 850 MHz Dell Pentium
laptop with Windows 2000 and 512 MB. Open Office runs well well on my
little machine and saved me considerable quid. If it did not, I would have
pursued something else.
The open office database, is nearly unusable.

More troll tripe.
 
Stimpy said:
Microsoft Office costs hundreds of dollars.

OpenOffice is free.

So why are people still paying hundreds of dollars to purchase
the latest Microsoft Office?

It just does not make sense.

Because Microsoft keeps changing the format, i.e., moving the target,
making switching to something compatible with Office difficult. It also
doesn't help that MS Office is a proprietary protocol, making it
difficult to make software that can open office documents. Office isn't
bad at all, but it can get expensive. I'd prefer something multi-platform.
 
A lot of companies are still using Office 97, which doesn't say much for
either Open Office or Office XP/2003.

Part of the reason is obviously cost, they've invested in Office 97 and it
still does what's required, so why change it?

HST, I think the biggest reason is bloat and confusing, unwanted automation.
Both camps suffer from this, in fact on trying Open Office myself I was
surprised how 'fruitmachine-like' it is, making unexpected changes to text
without my OK, etc. Most users don't want or need this mass of complex
features, and since many of them tend to be automatic, they get in the way
for the average user.
 
More troll tripe.

Well, I've not tried the database side since 2, so it's probably improved a
lot, but it was pretty naff...

But then...
Pretty naff and unusable is better than non-existant.
Like in M$ office. Database? Hah! Excell is a spreadsheet, not a database.
(no matter how many database functions they chuck at it)
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Stimpy said:
Microsoft Office costs hundreds of dollars.

OpenOffice is free.

So why are people still paying hundreds of dollars to purchase
the latest Microsoft Office?

It just does not make sense.

Yes it does when you consider that Office 2000 is not copy protected,
widely copied and used by millions who paid nothing for it.

Alias
 
Yes it does when you consider that Office 2000 is not copy protected,
widely copied and used by millions who paid nothing for it.

Are you implying windows users pirate software?!

Oh, what a rotten thing to say.
:)
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Are you implying windows users pirate software?!

Oh, what a rotten thing to say.
:)

With the outrageously high price for Office, what do you expect? I just
priced Office 2003 at the leading department store in Spain and
Professional was going for 600 euros. That's $USD 770!

Alias
 
Alias said:
With the outrageously high price for Office, what do you expect? I just
priced Office 2003 at the leading department store in Spain and
Professional was going for 600 euros. That's $USD 770!

Office is pretty nice. But it comes with a hefty price. For, you see,
Microsoft's format is closed and shifty.
 
Companies, I don't know.

But personal users -- that is a real mystery.

Take a typical home user -- he gets his PC at Office Depot. It has Windows
XP on it. He needs an Office product, one that can read standard Office
documents.

Questions:

I've seen people buy nice PCs from Big Box stores. The PC come with MS
Office as a 90 day "eval" and I've seen people get invested in it
without realizing that they have to pay, eventually. When the clock
stops, the night before a paper is due they'll pull out the credit
card and pay the MS troll.
 
With the outrageously high price for Office, what do you expect? I just
priced Office 2003 at the leading department store in Spain and
Professional was going for 600 euros. That's $USD 770!

I think you missed the :)

I was being sarcastic.
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