Which defragmenter to use?

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Frank Martin

The Norton defragmenter works OK, but then
the XP one gives a need-defragmenting
message.

The Norton seems to speed up the system
better than the XPs.

Why is one different to the other?

Please help.
 
The Norton defragmenter works OK, but then
the XP one gives a need-defragmenting
message.

The Norton seems to speed up the system
better than the XPs.

Why is one different to the other?

Please help.
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Many products are better than those provided with XP, if there wasn't a
better tool it wouldn't be sold in most cases.

MS normally only includes a limited function tool for many of the
products already provided by other vendors - Diskeeper is the best
defrag tool I've ever used/seen. I only use Windows defragger (a
stripped down version of Diskeeper) when I have no other choice.
 
Many products are better than those provided with XP, if there wasn't a
better tool it wouldn't be sold in most cases.
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Bah! I've used most of them and haven't noticed any benefit over just using
the one that comes with Windows. If there is a benefit show me the hard
data that proves it.
 
Bah! I've used most of them and haven't noticed any benefit over just using
the one that comes with Windows. If there is a benefit show me the hard
data that proves it.
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LOL, just because you don't see any benefit doesn't mean others don't.
I've seen it bring very used systems back to new performance levels,
seen servers regain the ability to run applications that were failing,
etc....

Only people that don't understand the difference between the stripped
down version and the full-featured version don't see the benefits (and
people that don't really use their systems).
 
LOL, just because you don't see any benefit doesn't mean others don't.
I've seen it bring very used systems back to new performance levels,
seen servers regain the ability to run applications that were failing,
etc....

Only people that don't understand the difference between the stripped
down version and the full-featured version don't see the benefits (and
people that don't really use their systems).
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On NTFS and modern HDD's there is no reason to believe one word of what you
just posted. I could easily install the full version of either Diskeeper or
Perfect Disk right now but I don't because I know there is no benefit to
doing so.
 
RAID!!! said:
On NTFS and modern HDD's there is no reason to believe one word of what you
just posted. I could easily install the full version of either Diskeeper or
Perfect Disk right now but I don't because I know there is no benefit to
doing so.
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LOL! Man, are you in for a surprise.

Alias
 
On NTFS and modern HDD's there is no reason to believe one word of what you
just posted. I could easily install the full version of either Diskeeper or
Perfect Disk right now but I don't because I know there is no benefit to
doing so.
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And you would never be more wrong than now.

NTFS still fragments files, even that with Vista, and fragmented files
will degrade read performance as well as write performance.

While the built-in degrag tools in XP, Server, and Vista, do a
reasonable job, the best option, at least for XP/Server is Diskeeper.

If you don't understand the technology, the performance issues of
fragmented files, how fragments are created on Windows systems (even
with NTFS), then you should study a little and stop opting to remain
ignorant.

There is no benefit in NOT understanding file fragmentation, unless you
just don't want to find out you're wrong.
 
NTFS still fragments files, even that with Vista, and fragmented files
will degrade read performance as well as write performance.

While the built-in degrag tools in XP, Server, and Vista, do a
reasonable job, the best option, at least for XP/Server is Diskeeper.

If you don't understand the technology, the performance issues of
fragmented files, how fragments are created on Windows systems (even
with NTFS), then you should study a little and stop opting to remain
ignorant.

There is no benefit in NOT understanding file fragmentation, unless you
just don't want to find out you're wrong.
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It's quite ironic that you call me ignorant when it's quite obvious you are
just parroting what you have been told by the countless millions of dweebs
out there. I never said NTFS doesn't fragment. I said there is no benfit to
paying for a 3rd party defragmenter over the one that comes with XP. Now
post your hard data to prove me worng or shut up.
 
Leythos said:
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Many products are better than those
provided with XP, if there wasn't a
better tool it wouldn't be sold in most
cases.

MS normally only includes a limited
function tool for many of the
products already provided by other
vendors - Diskeeper is the best
defrag tool I've ever used/seen. I only use
Windows defragger (a
stripped down version of Diskeeper) when I
have no other choice.
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Thanks, I downloaded "Diskeeper" and so far
it is working well. It seems to defragment
continuously.

I have the 'Pro' version.

My computer so far is faster, and I will keep
using this for a while and buy the product if
all continues well.

The 'Diskeeper' company want to sell a
'service' program for 1 year and I wonder
what this is. Does it mean the 'Diskeeper
will stop working after 12 months?

Regards, Frank
 
It's quite ironic that you call me ignorant when it's quite obvious you are
just parroting what you have been told by the countless millions of dweebs
out there. I never said NTFS doesn't fragment. I said there is no benfit to
paying for a 3rd party defragmenter over the one that comes with XP. Now
post your hard data to prove me worng or shut up.
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Having more than 30 years in the field, I can assure you that I never
follow what "others" tell me, I only report what I've personally found
to be true.

It's a simple matter of fact that the Windows XP and 2003 built-in
defrag tools DO NOT perform as good/complete a defrag or optimization as
their third-party tools to. I've seen it in many instances, were we've
actually performance tested defrag methods/vendors products on very
fragmented real-world systems (servers and workstations) - and we were
able to repeat the test because we made ghost images and restored them
for each test.

So, instead of you remaining ignorant, start believing that you're just
parroting what some unknowledgeable techhead has told you, and that
you're completely wrong.
 
Thanks, I downloaded "Diskeeper" and so far
it is working well. It seems to defragment
continuously.
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You can configure it to only run on demand, which is what I would
suggest. As good as they are at pausing the function when you're working
hard, it's something that you could just schedule for weekend nights
around 4AM to 5AM and let it run then only.
I have the 'Pro' version.

My computer so far is faster, and I will keep
using this for a while and buy the product if
all continues well.
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Yep, that's what most people find, and most servers benefit more than
workstations - but you have to remember that services like SQL, which
keep files locked, won't allow DK to defrag the database files while the
service is active.
The 'Diskeeper' company want to sell a
'service' program for 1 year and I wonder
what this is. Does it mean the 'Diskeeper
will stop working after 12 months?
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If you get service you can get new versions for free.
 
The Norton defragmenter works OK, but then
the XP one gives a need-defragmenting
message.

The Norton seems to speed up the system
better than the XPs.

Why is one different to the other?

Please help.
Click to expand...

I suggest you take a serious look at Raxco's PerfectDisk8 I have used PD
without problem since XP RC1. I have tried others, but I always quickly come
back. I have used it on both FAT32 and NTFS. It does a great job, and does it
quickly.
 
Having more than 30 years in the field, I can assure you that I never
follow what "others" tell me, I only report what I've personally found
to be true.

It's a simple matter of fact that the Windows XP and 2003 built-in
defrag tools DO NOT perform as good/complete a defrag or optimization as
their third-party tools to. I've seen it in many instances, were we've
actually performance tested defrag methods/vendors products on very
fragmented real-world systems (servers and workstations) - and we were
able to repeat the test because we made ghost images and restored them
for each test.

So, instead of you remaining ignorant, start believing that you're just
parroting what some unknowledgeable techhead has told you, and that
you're completely wrong.
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Tell me your performance test method and I will go test it out myself. If I
am wrong I will eat my shorts.
 
Thanks, I downloaded "Diskeeper" and so far
it is working well. It seems to defragment
continuously.
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Yea, this is the stupidest "feature" I have seen in a defragmenter yet.
What's the point of defragging the HDD to increase disk performance if you
are going to slow down your system with a resource hungry stupid feature
like this. Turn that "feature" off pronto. Oh, and expect to get spammed by
Diskeeper frequently from now on with their BS claims of how it will turn
your PC into a speed demon.
 
I suggest you take a serious look at Raxco's PerfectDisk8 I have used PD
without problem since XP RC1. I have tried others, but I always quickly come
back. I have used it on both FAT32 and NTFS. It does a great job, and does it
quickly.
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It's not quick if you use the "smart" defrag feature, which is it's only
benefit over the one included in XP. And you can get a free pagefile
defragger from Systems Internals.
 
So, instead of you remaining ignorant, start believing that you're just
parroting what some unknowledgeable techhead has told you, and that
you're completely wrong.
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Hey, go post your claims in the storage group. This should be fun. :)
 
Raxco ( maker of Perfect Disk ) has a set of tools for testing
defragmentation. The first is called Scrambler and FragGen.
They are used to either generate new fragmented files or to
fragment the existing content on a partition/volume. Then you
use a tool called FileAccessTimer to "accurately" measure the
time to read file(s). You then use the Defrag tool of your choice
and retest with FileAccessTimer.

I've used Perfect Disk for a long time ( include VAX/VMS ).
 
Don't throw away yor money on any of them. From experience, I have not
noticed any significant difference in speed of HD. I would continue
using the free one that comes with XP and that is it. I have used
Diskkeeper but that too is a waste of time and money!!

hth
 
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