What is minimum temperature?

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What is minimum temperature for safe transportation and temporary storage of
laptops in winter season?
For example, when sending laptop by usps post in winter season. What is safe
temperature for sensitive electronic parts, sensitive display?
The frost can damage electronics.
 
From: "1vojage" <[email protected]>

| What is minimum temperature for safe transportation and temporary storage of
| laptops in winter season?
| For example, when sending laptop by usps post in winter season. What is safe
| temperature for sensitive electronic parts, sensitive display?
| The frost can damage electronics.


You have to check with the manufacturer because it will vary from manufacturer to
manufacturer and between models.

For example is it a ruggedized system like a toughbook ?

Transportation temperatures are also different than actual use temperatures.

Sending electronics through carriers such as USPS, FedEX and DHL is not a problem but when
a system is in transit and becomes very cold or too warm you should NEVER use it until it
finally acclimates to room temperature.
 
for example, for Dell Vostro 1520 laptops (I think its very similar for
all). by USPS Express mail, to overseas location. Does anybody know?
 
1vojage said:
What is minimum temperature for safe transportation and temporary
storage of laptops in winter season?
For example, when sending laptop by usps post in winter season. What is
safe temperature for sensitive electronic parts, sensitive display?
The frost can damage electronics.

Find the specification section of the manuals that came with the laptop.

For example, this is for an HP DV9000 laptop.

Temperature

Operating* 5œC to 35œC
Nonoperating -20œC to 60œC

Relative humidity (noncondensing)

Operating 10% to 90%
Nonoperating 5% to 95%, 38.7œC (101.6œF) maximum wet bulb temperature

Maximum altitude (unpressurized)

Operating (14.7 to 10.1 psia) -15 m to 3,048 m
Nonoperating (14.7 to 4.4 psia) -15 m to 12,192 m

The altitude spec, is based on the ability of the hard drive
flying height to be maintained when the air is thin. When the
computer is not operating, a much higher altitude can be allowed.

Operating temperature is limited by the point at which,
mechanical damage could happen due to differences in
temperature coefficients. I don't know which component
in the computer causes the -20œC limit. It could be the
LCD panel for example. (I just looked up data I have for
a NEC LCD panel, and it spans -20œC to 60œC.)

When the laptop is delivered at its destination, if it has
been exposed to -20œC conditions, it should be allowed to
acclimate in your room, for 12 to 24 hours. I would not
switch on the laptop immediately after Fedex delivers it,
as the hard drive could have condensation inside on the
platters. Better to leave the laptop for a period of
time, to allow things to slowly warm up. Hard drives have
a breather hole, and the breather hole filter doesn't
remove everything.

Shipping conditions could easily exceed those limits.
My sister lives in a remote location, and the temperature
there is below -30œC in the winter. Transportation vehicles
have a long long drive from the city, and a laptop could
easily drop below -20œC in the back of the truck. Our transports
here are not heated, when it comes to parcel delivery.

Paul
 
The most important is Nonoperating temperature, for example below -20œC
We can assume that due transportation issues and temporary storage in postal
warehouse, a laptop could easily drop below -20œC
How long time its allowed to store it below -20œC?

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1vojage said:
The most important is Nonoperating temperature, for example below -20œC
We can assume that due transportation issues and temporary storage in
postal warehouse, a laptop could easily drop below -20œC
How long time its allowed to store it below -20œC?

If the spec says something like this:

Temperature

Operating* 5œC to 35œC
Nonoperating -20œC to 60œC

it means you should not allow the product to go below -20œC at all, ever.

They cannot guarantee what will happen if you do so. It may
be damaged, or it may not. All they're willing to guarantee,
is that the product should be fault-free, if stored at a
temperature as low as -20œC. But not lower.

If the product is covered under warranty, you always have the
alternative of returning it for repair.

It is possible that the element with the -20œC limit is the
battery. Apparently, if you plan on shipping it and storing
at a low temperature, the optimal battery charge state is
40%. In other words, when the computer is shipped, the
lithium battery should not be fully charged.

Paul
 
OK, the laptop itself and AC adapter has temperature ratings (-40C), that's
Ok
For the battery (-20C): what if battery will be affected by low temperature
below (-20C) say, during 1-2 days: does this can damage battery permanently,
or just make the battery unstable, and the life of the battery may be
shortened?
 
1vojage said:
What is minimum temperature for safe transportation and temporary
storage of laptops in winter season?
For example, when sending laptop by usps post in winter season. What is
safe temperature for sensitive electronic parts, sensitive display?
The frost can damage electronics.

-20 C is pretty darn cold. I wouldn't worry about temperature problems
when shipping the laptop.

Bill
 
What is minimum temperature for safe transportation and temporary storageof
laptops in winter season?
For example, when sending laptop by usps post in winter season. What is safe
temperature for sensitive electronic parts, sensitive display?
The frost can damage electronics.

Darn that global warming.
 
Bill said:
-20 C is pretty darn cold. I wouldn't worry about temperature problems
when shipping the laptop.

Bill

It was -22C here last night.

And further west in our country, here is a temperature reading from a
few days ago.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/12/13/calgary-frigid-weather.html

"Edmonton International Airport was the coldest place in Canada," Peter Spyker,
a meteorologist with Environment Canada, said Sunday. "It was -46.1 [Celsius]
without the wind chill."

That probably wouldn't do your batteries any good.

Paul
 
From: "1vojage" <[email protected]>

| OK, the laptop itself and AC adapter has temperature ratings (-40C), that's
| Ok
| For the battery (-20C): what if battery will be affected by low temperature
| below (-20C) say, during 1-2 days: does this can damage battery permanently,
| or just make the battery unstable, and the life of the battery may be
| shortened?


Why haven't you contacted Dell ?
 
I'm not sure we can trust manufacturer's specification.

Temperature range

Storage –40° to 65° C (–40° to 149° F)

Can you imagine than after storage laptop at –40° plastic and display will
not burst?
 
From: "1vojage" <[email protected]>

| I'm not sure we can trust manufacturer's specification.

| Temperature range

| Storage –40° to 65° C (–40° to 149° F)

| Can you imagine than after storage laptop at –40° plastic and display will
| not burst?
| -------------------------

You *must* trust the manufacturer's specification OR...

Find another shipping solution!
 
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1vojage said:
for example, for Dell Vostro 1520 laptops (I think its very similar
for all). by USPS Express mail, to overseas location. Does anybody
know? ---------------

Every machine comes with such information in print. Check the documentation
or go to the web site and look it up there.
Normal winter temperatures of subzero F are usually OK but as someone said,
it depends on the manufacturer because only they know the specs on the parts
used.
The most important thing as someone also has mentioned, is to let the
machine sit at room temperature for a few hours so that its internal temps
are the same as the external temps and any humidity that precipited onto the
parts has evaporated. Never power up or even plug in a cold computer.


Twayne
 
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1vojage said:
The most important is Nonoperating temperature, for example below
-20œC We can assume that due transportation issues and temporary storage
in
postal warehouse, a laptop could easily drop below -20œC
How long time its allowed to store it below -20œC?

Assuming this is a DIY shipment and not something for which the mfg is
responsible:


-20C = -4F
-30C = -22F
-40C = -40F A convenient convergence to remember for doing estimations.
Those numbers are "minimum" so to speak, meaning "at least" -20C, -40, etc..
But never count on that as a saving piece of informaiton.

There is NO one size fits all answer to this question, unfortunately:
With the exception of batteries (UPS and CMOS which have their own specs),
the major compoments of a computer are often rated for -40C/F
non-operating/storage temperatures. For accurate information though, the
only thing you can do is check with the manufacturer and get their numbers
for your model.
After getting the mfg specs, then you also have to do the same for any
peripherals you've added to the machine, including hard drives, cards, etc..

Take UPS and FEDEX for example:
-- Vans are parked inside overnight where it's not excessively cold.
-- Vans are heated, minimally, by leakage from the driver's area and I've
seen heat vents in the back/sides, around the doors.
-- All bets are off if the item ends up in a semi; those are outside,
delivery trailers are never heated/cooled and due to the vibrations etc.,
are the most destructive. Aircraft baggage areas are just as bad or worse.
-- Overnight or 2nd day deliveries are generally the best for temperature
sensitive items.

UPS, FedEx and USPS Priority are also good sources to ask. Have your
zipcodes handy. They're used to handling electronic equipment.

It's not a huge job to pick a point in the weather patterns (though not
foolproof) when the temperatures will not be going sub-zero. Packaging of
course is important, too; you want it almost air-sealed so no drafts run
around the item being shipped. In a draft free environment it takes many
hours for a packages contents to equalize to the ambient temperature.
Likewise for heating back up at the destination - open such packages
promptly and let them begin to acclimate and dissipate any moisture that may
have formed due to the temperature changes. e.g. right now and the rest of
this week our local temps are lows of right around 0 F and will remain so
for about the next week. Then there should be a warming trend: If I were
shipping i'd wait and see what next week's forecast was when the time
actually arrived. If it's above 0F I'd ship. Also considering the weather
in between, of course. If the package had to route through, say, Billings or
the Cinci area, I'd probably hold off until Feb or March to send it.

To the best of my knowledge anyway,

Twayne`
 
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1vojage said:
OK, the laptop itself and AC adapter has temperature ratings (-40C),
that's Ok
For the battery (-20C): what if battery will be affected by low
temperature below (-20C) say, during 1-2 days: does this can damage
battery permanently, or just make the battery unstable, and the life
of the battery may be shortened?

If this is a shipment from a place like Dell, then it's THEIR responsibility
to get it to you fault-free. Otherwise you have a warranty claim. Trust
them; they know a hell of a lot more than you do about it, or anyone else
here.
The min temp for batteries is variable from mfg to mfg and type to type
and material to material and amount of charge. The source would likely be
the only one to give you a useful answer.

Twayne
 
That's silly, since they will have to do a warranty action for each failure
they ship. -40 to 65 C is not an unusual spec. And no, plastic and
displays will not "burst" unless they are mistreated.
You also need to be sure you know the difference between "storage" and
"shipping". Storage doesn't include any handling, vehicle vibrations, etc..
Normally, but not always, they are the same.
It was typical for us when I managed a compliance lab, to test the units
a 5 C colder and hotter than the specs of the equipment for 24 hours; unless
it was packaged improperly (allowed the wind inside, to contact the item),
they almost always passed afterwards. Even batteries.
We got the most failures during testing of operation under high humidity,
non-condensing conditions in the operating temperature range. I don't
thinkwe ever saw a failure due to altitude for standardized computer
equipment at least.
The most useless test was for humidity withstand since it's a brand new,
dust free item. The second any dust gets inside, all the numbers change,
sometimes radically.

Twayne



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