what do i need the DNS service for?

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JuJuBeed

Someone told me the DNS service slows comps down a little bit. I have set it
to be disabled, so I apparently don't need it. But what is this service for?
When might I need it?
 
If anybody cares to answer me in this thread directly instead of sending
links to non working webapges, please do so. I am still interested in
getting a direct answer from somebody who has the time and knows what they
are talking about.
 
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you use t
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance if yo
turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your browser i
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put in the i
address). Hope this answers your question
 
law24 said:
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you use to
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance if you
turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your browser it
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put in the ip
address). Hope this answers your question.

As you didn't quote the post you were replying to, we don't know what the
question WAS.
 
Gordonwrote
law24 wrote
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you us t
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance if yo
turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your browse i
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put in th i
address). Hope this answers your question
As you didn't quote the post you were replying to, we don't know wha
the
question WAS.[/quote:e446e459d3

I was replying to the original question which is what i thought th
topic was about. I am new to this board but not new to posting
Thanks for the info i will quote going forward
 
Don't worry. I got your post, understood it just fine, and the others need
to go find the whole thread instead of sidetracking you with comments that
have nothing to do with the topic.

However, I have turned off the DNS service (put it on Disable) and my
internet still works fine. Are you telling me that on your computer if you
disable this service, your internet browsing stops?


law24 said:
Gordonwrote:
law24 said:
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you use to
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance if you
turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your browser it
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put in the ip
address). Hope this answers your question.
As you didn't quote the post you were replying to, we don't know what
the
question WAS.[/quote:e446e459d3]

I was replying to the original question which is what i thought the
topic was about. I am new to this board but not new to posting.
Thanks for the info i will quote going forward.
 
JuJuBeed said:
Don't worry. I got your post, understood it just fine, and the others
need to go find the whole thread instead of sidetracking you with
comments that have nothing to do with the topic.

they muight be off topic, but in a high volume group such as this, a lot of
people set their newsreaders to view unread messages only. If the previous
post is not quoted, then we have to wade through a lot of read messages to
find it.
 
JuJuBeedwrote
Don't worry. I got your post, understood it just fine, and the other
need
to go find the whole thread instead of sidetracking you wit comments that
have nothing to do with the topic

However, I have turned off the DNS service (put it on Disable) an my
internet still works fine. Are you telling me that on your compute if you
disable this service, your internet browsing stops


Gordonwrote
law24 wrote
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you us
t
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance if yo
turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your browse
i
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put in th
i
address). Hope this answers your question

As you didn't quote the post you were replying to, we don't kno wha
th
question WAS

I was replying to the original question which is what i thought th
topic was about. I am new to this board but not new to posting
Thanks for the info i will quote going forward
[/quote:18c43620d2][/quote:18c43620d2


No I am not saying Internet Browsing stops. I was stating in genera
what DNS does. Basically your system will cache DNS with this servic
on in laymans terms that means it will remember who www.yahoo.com i
and find it faster, with the service off each and every time you g
to a website your computer will have to query the actual public (o
internal depending on your current setup) DNS servers you are usin
to find out who www.yahoo.com is or whatever address you are tryin
to reach. The service is not necessary to browse sorry if my pos
sounded like that. Hope this makes sense. Here is Microsofts simpl
explanation "Note The overall performance of the client compute
decreases and the network traffic for DNS queries increases if the DN
resolver cache is deactivated.
 
That's my experience as well.

Turning it off reduced the frequent XP pauses I was getting, with no
perceptible down-side. Coming back to the original question, since our
systems seem to work well without it, what benefit does it provide?

DHCP Client service also seems to offer no benefit on my system - would also
like a view on the benefits or otherwise of that service.




JuJuBeed said:
Don't worry. I got your post, understood it just fine, and the others need
to go find the whole thread instead of sidetracking you with comments that
have nothing to do with the topic.

However, I have turned off the DNS service (put it on Disable) and my
internet still works fine. Are you telling me that on your computer if you
disable this service, your internet browsing stops?


law24 said:
Gordonwrote:
law24 said:
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you use to
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance if you
turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your browser it
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put in the ip
address). Hope this answers your question.
As you didn't quote the post you were replying to, we don't know what
the
question WAS.[/quote:e446e459d3]

I was replying to the original question which is what i thought the
topic was about. I am new to this board but not new to posting.
Thanks for the info i will quote going forward.
 
Bob Huntleywrote
That's my experience as well
Turning it off reduced the frequent XP pauses I was getting, with n
perceptible down-side. Coming back to the original question, sinc our
systems seem to work well without it, what benefit does it provide

DHCP Client service also seems to offer no benefit on my system would also
like a view on the benefits or otherwise of that service




Don't worry. I got your post, understood it just fine, and th others nee
to go find the whole thread instead of sidetracking you wit comments tha
have nothing to do with the topic

However, I have turned off the DNS service (put it on Disable) an m
internet still works fine. Are you telling me that on your compute if yo
disable this service, your internet browsing stops


Gordonwrote
law24 wrote
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you us
t
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance if yo
turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your browse
i
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put in th
i
address). Hope this answers your question

As you didn't quote the post you were replying to, we don't kno wha
th
question WAS

I was replying to the original question which is what i thought th
topic was about. I am new to this board but not new to posting
Thanks for the info i will quote going forward

[/quote:1087849007][/quote:1087849007

The only evidence I can find that disabling DNS in xp speeds up th
perfomance is a valid one but it does not totally disable it. Pleas
read below my post for this example. As far as DHCP there are so man
different home/office settings that it is difficult to detail th
benefits/downside of leaving it enabled. If you wanted to describ
your specific connection maybe I could detail what might be right fo
you. One certainty I have learned from Microsoft products is there ar
101 different ways of doing something usually with the same en
result. My recommendation is to leave the xp services as they are i
a default install. There are exceptions to the rule but I do no
think the benefits are that great. Thanks for listening to my lon
Rant LO

By default, Windows XP will cache the IP addresses connected to DN
names (such as website addresses) as they are entered into you
browser. This speeds up subsequent visits to the same addresse
because the system does not have to search for the IP address tha
the DNS name represents.

This is good for Internet performance as a whole, but it does have
downside. If you type in a valid URL that is not functioning at tha
point in time, Windows will cache the unsuccessful result, meanin
that all attempts to access that address may fail until the faile
entry is gone from the cache. This takes about 5 minutes.
You can prevent Windows XP from caching unsuccessful DNS lookups b
creating three new registry values.

To do this open REGEDIT and navigate to
'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Dnscache\Parameters

Create the following DWORD values

NegativeCacheTime=
NetFailureCacheTime=
NegativeSOACacheTime=

Reboot for the changes to take effect
 
You must not be using a network. I am using a desktop and a laptop all
running through a router and sharing the internet connection. If I turn off
the DHCP service on my laptop, the Local Area Network Connection--and the
internet for that matter--stops working.


Bob Huntley said:
That's my experience as well.
DHCP Client service also seems to offer no benefit on my system - would also
like a view on the benefits or otherwise of that service.
 
DHCP is required if your Network Interface Card is set up for
Automatic configuration. If you statically assign it's Address, DNS
and Gateway values then the DHCP service isn't required.
I have a small workgroup for my home office and my wife's
notebook, I run my primary desktop without DNS service running
and have no ill effects. I'm not advocating turning either off, as each
PC has different requirements - but you can work without them.
 
Thanks for the reply.

I'm using a USB Alcatel ADSL modem, and also have a Ethernet NIC in my
computer. The NIC is connected to a hub, but normally there's nothing else
connected to the hub (I only use it once a week or so to allow my laptop to
connect to the Internet using ICS and update its security updates, virus
definitions etc) so it sees an empty network.

The ADSL TCP/IP address is set to automatic. The NIC is set using the ICS
set-up wizard (192-168-0-1, 255-255-255-0). Based on a advice Web Page , the
Default Gateway is set to 10-0-0-138 instead of the blank settings left by
the ICS wizard. This seems to have helped - since doing that I only get one
pause after each boot-up.
The Preferred DNS & Alternate DNS Server addresses have been left blank.

I'm getting a pause of 20 seconds or so during the boot-up sequence, which I
can live with (it was much longer, but setting the NIC address as above
reduced it). More annoyingly, I've also been getting frequent pauses when
using XP. Each one lasts 30 seconds or so, and during these the hard-disk
remains idle, and the CPU load (as per Task Manager's graphs) also remains
low. Disabling DNS/DHCP service seems to prevent these.

I'm no network expert, but from previous posts the problem seems to be that
XP starts a DNS search on my empty NIC network, and stalls when it doesn't
find anything until it times out. Is this theory right?

Basic problem seems to be conflict between the two networks controllers - is
there a way to let them work comfortably together?

PS - I can cure it by disabling the NIC using Task Manager, but last time I
tried that MS Office threw a wobbly and had to be re-activated (by
telephone - refused to do it by Internet) so I'm a bit wary of trying that
again (particularly as I will re-enable it once a week to allow the laptop
to use the Internet).






law24 said:
Bob Huntleywrote: That's my experience as well.

Turning it off reduced the frequent XP pauses I was getting, with no
perceptible down-side. Coming back to the original question, since our
systems seem to work well without it, what benefit does it provide?

DHCP Client service also seems to offer no benefit on my system - would also
like a view on the benefits or otherwise of that service.




Don't worry. I got your post, understood it just fine, and the others need
to go find the whole thread instead of sidetracking you with comments that
have nothing to do with the topic.

However, I have turned off the DNS service (put it on Disable) and my
internet still works fine. Are you telling me that on your computer if you
disable this service, your internet browsing stops?


Gordonwrote:
law24 wrote:
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you use
to
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance if you
turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your browser
it
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put in the
ip
address). Hope this answers your question.

As you didn't quote the post you were replying to, we don't know what
the
question WAS.

I was replying to the original question which is what i thought the
topic was about. I am new to this board but not new to posting.
Thanks for the info i will quote going forward.


[/quote:1087849007][/quote:1087849007]

The only evidence I can find that disabling DNS in xp speeds up the
perfomance is a valid one but it does not totally disable it. Please
read below my post for this example. As far as DHCP there are so many
different home/office settings that it is difficult to detail the
benefits/downside of leaving it enabled. If you wanted to describe
your specific connection maybe I could detail what might be right for
you. One certainty I have learned from Microsoft products is there are
101 different ways of doing something usually with the same end
result. My recommendation is to leave the xp services as they are in
a default install. There are exceptions to the rule but I do not
think the benefits are that great. Thanks for listening to my long
Rant LOL

By default, Windows XP will cache the IP addresses connected to DNS
names (such as website addresses) as they are entered into your
browser. This speeds up subsequent visits to the same addresses
because the system does not have to search for the IP address that
the DNS name represents.

This is good for Internet performance as a whole, but it does have a
downside. If you type in a valid URL that is not functioning at that
point in time, Windows will cache the unsuccessful result, meaning
that all attempts to access that address may fail until the failed
entry is gone from the cache. This takes about 5 minutes.
You can prevent Windows XP from caching unsuccessful DNS lookups by
creating three new registry values.

To do this open REGEDIT and navigate to:
'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Dnscache\Parameters'

Create the following DWORD values:

NegativeCacheTime= 0
NetFailureCacheTime= 0
NegativeSOACacheTime= 0

Reboot for the changes to take effect.
 
(e-mail address removed) (law24) wrote in
JuJuBeedwrote:
Don't worry. I got your post, understood it just fine, and the
others need
to go find the whole thread instead of sidetracking you with comments that
have nothing to do with the topic.

However, I have turned off the DNS service (put it on Disable)
and my
internet still works fine. Are you telling me that on your
computer if you
disable this service, your internet browsing stops?


Gordonwrote:
law24 wrote:
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you
use to
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance if
you turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your
browser it
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put in
the ip
address). Hope this answers your question.

As you didn't quote the post you were replying to, we don't
know what
the
question WAS.

I was replying to the original question which is what i thought
the topic was about. I am new to this board but not new to
posting. Thanks for the info i will quote going forward.
[/quote:18c43620d2][/quote:18c43620d2]



No I am not saying Internet Browsing stops. I was stating in
general what DNS does. Basically your system will cache DNS with
this service on in laymans terms that means it will remember who
www.yahoo.com is and find it faster, with the service off each
and every time you go to a website your computer will have to
query the actual public (or internal depending on your current
setup) DNS servers you are using to find out who www.yahoo.com
is or whatever address you are trying to reach. The service is
not necessary to browse sorry if my post sounded like that. Hope
this makes sense. Here is Microsofts simple explanation "Note
The overall performance of the client computer decreases and the
network traffic for DNS queries increases if the DNS resolver
cache is deactivated. "

Nice "backpeddle" :)
"if you turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your
browser it would be unable to find it"

NG
 
Nick Goetzwrote
(e-mail address removed) (law24) wrote i
JuJuBeedwrote
Don't worry. I got your post, understood it just fine, and th
others nee
to go find the whole thread instead of sidetracking you wit
comments tha
have nothing to do with the topic

However, I have turned off the DNS service (put it on Disable
an
m
internet still works fine. Are you telling me that on you
compute
if yo
disable this service, your internet browsing stops


Gordonwrote
law24 wrote
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else yo
use t
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance i
you turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in you
browser i
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put i
the i
address). Hope this answers your question

As you didn't quote the post you were replying to, we don'
kno
wha
th
question WAS

I was replying to the original question which is what i though
the topic was about. I am new to this board but not new t
posting. Thanks for the info i will quote going forward
[/quote:18c43620d2


No I am not saying Internet Browsing stops. I was stating i
general what DNS does. Basically your system will cache DNS wit
this service on in laymans terms that means it will remember wh
www.yahoo.com is and find it faster, with the service off eac
and every time you go to a website your computer will have t
query the actual public (or internal depending on your curren
setup) DNS servers you are using to find out who www.yahoo.co
is or whatever address you are trying to reach. The service i
not necessary to browse sorry if my post sounded like that. Hop
this makes sense. Here is Microsofts simple explanation "Not
The overall performance of the client computer decreases and th
network traffic for DNS queries increases if the DNS resolve
cache is deactivated.

[/quote:baa844d611
Nice "backpeddle" :
"if you turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com i
your
browser it would be unable to find it

NG[/quote:baa844d611

Far from a backpeddle. In the context of the parameters I was speakin
of it would not find www.yahoo.com you would have to put in the i
address. I then also stated that I did not say browsing would sto
which is the point I was trying to get across! Browsing stopping an
DNS resolving are two different things. I do not want to get in a wa
of semantics here I was merely trying to help someone. I guess i
being negative is your thing then Enjoy! I will stick to helpin
people
 
This reason none of the web page links work is because you have DNS
Service turned off, your computer cannot find the IP address for these
domain names.
 
(e-mail address removed) (law24) wrote in
Nick Goetzwrote:
(e-mail address removed) (law24) wrote in
JuJuBeedwrote:
Don't worry. I got your post, understood it just fine, and the
others need
to go find the whole thread instead of sidetracking you with
comments that
have nothing to do with the topic.

However, I have turned off the DNS service (put it on Disable)
and
my
internet still works fine. Are you telling me that on your
computer
if you
disable this service, your internet browsing stops?


Gordonwrote:
law24 wrote:
DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you
use to
type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance if
you turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your
browser it
would be unable to find it (you would have to actually put in
the ip
address). Hope this answers your question.

As you didn't quote the post you were replying to, we don't
know
what
the
question WAS.

I was replying to the original question which is what i thought
the topic was about. I am new to this board but not new to
posting. Thanks for the info i will quote going forward.
[/quote:18c43620d2]



No I am not saying Internet Browsing stops. I was stating in
general what DNS does. Basically your system will cache DNS with
this service on in laymans terms that means it will remember who
www.yahoo.com is and find it faster, with the service off each
and every time you go to a website your computer will have to
query the actual public (or internal depending on your current
setup) DNS servers you are using to find out who www.yahoo.com
is or whatever address you are trying to reach. The service is
not necessary to browse sorry if my post sounded like that. Hope
this makes sense. Here is Microsofts simple explanation "Note
The overall performance of the client computer decreases and the
network traffic for DNS queries increases if the DNS resolver
cache is deactivated. "

[/quote:baa844d611]
Nice "backpeddle" :)
"if you turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in
your
browser it would be unable to find it"

NG[/quote:baa844d611]


Far from a backpeddle. In the context of the parameters I was
speaking of it would not find www.yahoo.com you would have to
put in the ip address. I then also stated that I did not say
browsing would stop which is the point I was trying to get
across! Browsing stopping and DNS resolving are two different
things. I do not want to get in a war of semantics here I was
merely trying to help someone. I guess if being negative is your
thing then Enjoy! I will stick to helping people.

Sounds like you were talking about two separate but related topics:

You stated:
"DNS is a necessary service. It is how IE and anything else you
use to type a name in resolves names to an IP address. For instance
if you turned off this service and typed in www.yahoo.com in your
browser it would be unable to find it (you would have to actually
put in the ip address). Hope this answers your question."


DNS (Domain Name System) - not a listed service in services.msc
Windows XP and cannot be "turned off" by a user in the services
snap-in.

DNS Seems to be what you describe correctly in part of your post

DNS Client Service - a listed service in services.msc that can be
turned off in most "home" use situations without negative impact.
By implication, I assumed this one to be the topic of this post.
If it is, then your statements prior to your "backpeddle" were
incorrect.

Sorry if I misunderstood your replies.

NG
 
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