What are the factors of "fast" computer speed?

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*What are the factors of "fast" computer speed?
-If memory is the solution, you don't have to read all below.
-My computer is Intel Celeron 2.80GHz, 240MB RAM with 96MB for graphic card,
so the actual memory is 144MB, only one hard drive with about 80GB on C:\,
4GB on D:\. Now this computer is way better than the computer i used last
year, about half the performance of my current computer, but the "speed"
doesn't look so different. Although i used XP Pro last year, i don't think it
matters.

My Brother's computer, i'm not sure about its actual performance, uses
resolution 1280x960 with 64MB graphic card, about 130GB of hard drive, but
that computer accesses way faster than my computer.

If the ammount of memory for my computer is problem, i don't understand it.
i understand about "available" ammount of memory, which means if the programs
keep eating available memory, the available memory will reach 0, needing more
time to execute commands. My usual available memory is about 60MB, and i have
no idea where those 84MB of memory is used for. Of course, i turned off all
unnecessary stuffs.
 
chain, weakest link, max speed depends on slowest needed
function at the particular instant,

More RAM is always helpful because when you run low on RAM
the computer OS begins to page data onto the hard drive
which is slow. The Celeron CPU is not as fast as the P4
because it doesn't have as much cache memory. Your mobo may
be running at 400 or 533 MHz.
If your graphics applications are intensive (new games) your
speed will improve with a better, fester dedicated graphics
card, which will also free more system RAM.
If you're doing on-line games or even browsing, a slow
connection or slow server on the connection will bog things
down.

If your cooling is poor, the Intel CPU will detect high heat
and slow down to keep the CPU from burning up.

If the hard drive is fragmented, it will slow the computer
down.

If your anti-virus and firewall are settings are secure,
they may slow the operation.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



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| *What are the factors of "fast" computer speed?
| -If memory is the solution, you don't have to read all
below.
| -My computer is Intel Celeron 2.80GHz, 240MB RAM with 96MB
for graphic card,
| so the actual memory is 144MB, only one hard drive with
about 80GB on C:\,
| 4GB on D:\. Now this computer is way better than the
computer i used last
| year, about half the performance of my current computer,
but the "speed"
| doesn't look so different. Although i used XP Pro last
year, i don't think it
| matters.
|
| My Brother's computer, i'm not sure about its actual
performance, uses
| resolution 1280x960 with 64MB graphic card, about 130GB of
hard drive, but
| that computer accesses way faster than my computer.
|
| If the ammount of memory for my computer is problem, i
don't understand it.
| i understand about "available" ammount of memory, which
means if the programs
| keep eating available memory, the available memory will
reach 0, needing more
| time to execute commands. My usual available memory is
about 60MB, and i have
| no idea where those 84MB of memory is used for. Of course,
i turned off all
| unnecessary stuffs.
 
Tsuniper-X said:
*What are the factors of "fast" computer speed?
-If memory is the solution, you don't have to read all below.
-My computer is Intel Celeron 2.80GHz, 240MB RAM with 96MB for
graphic card, so the actual memory is 144MB, only one hard drive with
about 80GB on C:\, 4GB on D:\. Now this computer is way better than
the computer i used last year, about half the performance of my
current computer, but the "speed" doesn't look so different. Although
i used XP Pro last year, i don't think it matters.

My Brother's computer, i'm not sure about its actual performance, uses
resolution 1280x960 with 64MB graphic card, about 130GB of hard
drive, but that computer accesses way faster than my computer.

If the ammount of memory for my computer is problem, i don't
understand it. i understand about "available" ammount of memory,
which means if the programs keep eating available memory, the
available memory will reach 0, needing more time to execute commands.
My usual available memory is about 60MB, and i have no idea where
those 84MB of memory is used for. Of course, i turned off all
unnecessary stuffs.


No, you misunderstand about available memory.

Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a counterproductive
desire. Windows is designed to use all, or nearly all, of your memory, all
the time, and that's good not bad. Free memory is wasted memory. You paid
for it all and shouldn't want to see any of it wasted.

Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the time.
For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use that part for
caching, then give it back when your apps later need it. In this way Windows
keeps all your memory working for you all the time.

You say you have 240MB of RAM, which is a very unusual number, and is almost
certainly wrong. Then you say you take 96MB from that for video, which is
also an unusual number.

My guess is that you have 256MB of RAM and 16MB of that is used for video,
leaving you 240MB for your use.

You say you have a Intel Celeron 2.80GHz, but you don't say what your
brother, whose machine is faster, has.

Over and above the hardware, if, for example, you are infested with spyware,
you will have a slow machine. What anti-spyware products do you run and are
they kept up-to-date?
 
(From [Tsuniper-X])
Thank you for your reply. i didn't know that Celeron is slower than P4. i
also didn't know about paging when running with low RAM. Well, since you
replied, i wonder how much memory is required for NOT paging, which makes
computer faster. My question arose because of my school computers. i don't
know about it's performance, but it definitely searched and display the files
and folders in explorer fast like a snap and the result was up. Also, the
school computers take about less than 10 seconds to FINISH starting up
personal settings, which my computer doesn't. FYI, i checked computer errors,
defragment, NT-Virus, firewall, etc. i simply turned them off. i wonder if i
could modify the memory use of my graphic card to 64MB, giving more memory
for faster process. Thaaaaaaaaaaaank you very much for reading.
 
No, you misunderstand about available memory.

Wanting to minimize the amount of memory Windows uses is a
counterproductive desire. Windows is designed to use all, or nearly
all, of your memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Free
memory is wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to
see any of it wasted.
Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all the
time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will use
that part for caching, then give it back when your apps later need
it. In this way Windows keeps all your memory working for you all the
time.
You say you have 240MB of RAM, which is a very unusual number, and is
almost certainly wrong. Then you say you take 96MB from that for
video, which is also an unusual number.

My guess is that you have 256MB of RAM and 16MB of that is used for
video, leaving you 240MB for your use.

You say you have a Intel Celeron 2.80GHz, but you don't say what your
brother, whose machine is faster, has.

Over and above the hardware, if, for example, you are infested with
spyware, you will have a slow machine. What anti-spyware products do
you run and are they kept up-to-date?


I neglected to ask how much memory your brother has. That also affects
speed.

Also the difference in what apps you run can be a factor. If your apps use
more memory than his, even if you have the same amount of RAM, you will use
the page file more and that will slow you down as compared to him.
 
Tsuniper-X said:
(From [Tsuniper-X])
personal settings, which my computer doesn't. FYI, i checked computer
errors,
defragment, NT-Virus, firewall, etc. i simply turned them off. i wonder if
i
could modify the memory use of my graphic card to 64MB, giving more memory
for faster process. Thaaaaaaaaaaaank you very much for reading.
Turning off virus checkers, firewalls, etc. is a very very bad idea.
In addition to what others have said, you should check your machine for
viruses and other sorts of nasty stuff. This nasty stuff can easily slow
down your computer.
Jim
 
=?Utf-8?B?VHN1bmlwZXItWA==?= said:
*What are the factors of "fast" computer speed?

CPU, Amount of RAM, Hard Drive Speed.
-If memory is the solution, you don't have to read all below.
-My computer is Intel Celeron 2.80GHz, 240MB RAM with 96MB for graphic card,
so the actual memory is 144MB, only one hard drive with about 80GB on C:\,

XP will use about 140 just to boot. Recommended is half gig for basic XP
or 1 gig+ for photoshop/similiar app users.
 
Comparing two or more computers for speed requires that you
have same configurations in software, same startup, same
background programs and services, same settings.
File searches depend on the hard drive speed which varies by
the speed of the drive (5400, 7200 and 10,000 rpm are
common, and the buffer size). The more files and folders
you have the longer it takes to find and load the file.
Also, is file indexing turned on or off?
The will be much less file paging (virtual memory use) with
512 MB and 1 GB will reduce it further, nut you should
always have some amount of virtual memory allowed and the
system and some programs will always use some of it.
Schools may not have as much "stuff" loading as a home -user
who installs all the freeware that is available. Or they
may have more security software and run slower.
Get a program called EVEREST, free at www.lavalys.com and
run it on each computer and check its benchmark. Also run
the tests at www.pcpitstop.com to see what is running and
how it scores. Do this on each commuter in question if you
can.
Turning anti-virus and firewalls off may speed up a computer
for a short while, until the viruses and spyware infect the
system, which happens very soon without the protection
turned on.
Turning the "eye candy" in Windows off will speed up the
computer, such things as animated menus, take time as does
using every other computer operation. There can be hundreds
of cycles just to open a program, everything adds up and
some of it is not seen so you may not know what or why
without considerable research.

Celeron computer systems are "budget systems" which means
that in order to be sold a lower prices the maker probably
chose to use hard drives with smaller buffers, slower rpms,
a slower mobo FSB and less RAM. RAM might be SDRAM or DDR,
fast computers generally cost more.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



message
| (From [Tsuniper-X])
| Thank you for your reply. i didn't know that Celeron is
slower than P4. i
| also didn't know about paging when running with low RAM.
Well, since you
| replied, i wonder how much memory is required for NOT
paging, which makes
| computer faster. My question arose because of my school
computers. i don't
| know about it's performance, but it definitely searched
and display the files
| and folders in explorer fast like a snap and the result
was up. Also, the
| school computers take about less than 10 seconds to FINISH
starting up
| personal settings, which my computer doesn't. FYI, i
checked computer errors,
| defragment, NT-Virus, firewall, etc. i simply turned them
off. i wonder if i
| could modify the memory use of my graphic card to 64MB,
giving more memory
| for faster process. Thaaaaaaaaaaaank you very much for
reading.
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote:
|
| > chain, weakest link, max speed depends on slowest needed
| > function at the particular instant,
| >
| > More RAM is always helpful because when you run low on
RAM
| > the computer OS begins to page data onto the hard drive
| > which is slow. The Celeron CPU is not as fast as the P4
| > because it doesn't have as much cache memory. Your mobo
may
| > be running at 400 or 533 MHz.
| > If your graphics applications are intensive (new games)
your
| > speed will improve with a better, fester dedicated
graphics
| > card, which will also free more system RAM.
| > If you're doing on-line games or even browsing, a slow
| > connection or slow server on the connection will bog
things
| > down.
| >
| > If your cooling is poor, the Intel CPU will detect high
heat
| > and slow down to keep the CPU from burning up.
| >
| > If the hard drive is fragmented, it will slow the
computer
| > down.
| >
| > If your anti-virus and firewall are settings are secure,
| > they may slow the operation.
| >
| >
| > --
| > The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| > But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| > some support
| > http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
| >
| >
| >
in
| > message
| >
| > | *What are the factors of "fast" computer speed?
| > | -If memory is the solution, you don't have to read all
| > below.
| > | -My computer is Intel Celeron 2.80GHz, 240MB RAM with
96MB
| > for graphic card,
| > | so the actual memory is 144MB, only one hard drive
with
| > about 80GB on C:\,
| > | 4GB on D:\. Now this computer is way better than the
| > computer i used last
| > | year, about half the performance of my current
computer,
| > but the "speed"
| > | doesn't look so different. Although i used XP Pro last
| > year, i don't think it
| > | matters.
| > |
| > | My Brother's computer, i'm not sure about its actual
| > performance, uses
| > | resolution 1280x960 with 64MB graphic card, about
130GB of
| > hard drive, but
| > | that computer accesses way faster than my computer.
| > |
| > | If the ammount of memory for my computer is problem, i
| > don't understand it.
| > | i understand about "available" ammount of memory,
which
| > means if the programs
| > | keep eating available memory, the available memory
will
| > reach 0, needing more
| > | time to execute commands. My usual available memory is
| > about 60MB, and i have
| > | no idea where those 84MB of memory is used for. Of
course,
| > i turned off all
| > | unnecessary stuffs.
| >
| >
| >
 
One thing I might suggest is going to sites like.
www.tomshardware.com
www.anandtech.com
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/
and a view others of this variety.
They will have articles about building computers.
Some will have monthly build articles.
Sharky's often has high end to value gaming rigs where the look at the best
price point or performance point in a budget.
But this is getting off base with your question, Other than they will have
reviews, guides and explanations about hardware. May take a few reads to get
a better understanding, but you should get there.

But on the subject of memory. I think some of the posts have brought up the
differences between celeron and P4 processors with respects to memory that
will be confusing.

Most processing devices in a computer has built in memory: ram, cache, flash
and hard drives. These are all different type of "memory". Some is long term
and others is short term. Some are replaceable others are fixed.

The CPUs will have caches built into them. One difference between Celeron
and P4 will be these caches. Their size and design respective of the board.
Why? Cost. More cache equals more cost for the CPS production. So for some
speed isn't as big an issue as cost. Thus Celeron and P4. However speed
oftern required more power, and is the other reason for the celeron
(especially in notebooks computers.).

The thing to know about cpu cache is that it is fixed. Only way to increase
it is to replace the CPU (at least for mere mortals.).
But to replace the CPU may mean replacing the motherboard and ram. Basically
rebuilding the computers.
Know that different celeron cpus are not interchangable with your existing
motherboard.

On another subject of memory, with respects to windows. Their is "virtual"
and ram.
Virtual is the area on your hard drive the OS temporarily store information
during its operation. Generally you want at least 2gb of HD space for this
process, plus an additional 15% open for defragging the hard drive. (in case
you were concerned about hd performance issues). Fragmentation, open space
and hard drive speed will have marginal impact on your rg.
The other memory is the RAM. Now it is my understanding that most Desktop 32
Bit Windows OS's have a limit for practical use of 2gb of ram. This until you
get into 64 bit CPU's.
Then there is the issue of the speed of this ram and its type.

Here I suggest going to the links above and reading the guides.


I think after reading those sites you will begin to understand the number of
variable that goes into determining performance. And we have not even begun
to talk about compatability issues really. Such as power supplies, demands of
the devices. ATA versus SATA, etc. drive speeds, etc.


In the end, there is a practical limit of what you can do to increase the
performance of any machine. Practical meaning either the physical limitations
or money. Often is the case it may be more practical to replace the system
than it is to rebuild and existing one.

hopefully this helps you a little bit.






Tsuniper-X said:
(From [Tsuniper-X])
Thank you for your reply. i didn't know that Celeron is slower than P4. i
also didn't know about paging when running with low RAM. Well, since you
replied, i wonder how much memory is required for NOT paging, which makes
computer faster. My question arose because of my school computers. i don't
know about it's performance, but it definitely searched and display the files
and folders in explorer fast like a snap and the result was up. Also, the
school computers take about less than 10 seconds to FINISH starting up
personal settings, which my computer doesn't. FYI, i checked computer errors,
defragment, NT-Virus, firewall, etc. i simply turned them off. i wonder if i
could modify the memory use of my graphic card to 64MB, giving more memory
for faster process. Thaaaaaaaaaaaank you very much for reading.

Jim Macklin said:
chain, weakest link, max speed depends on slowest needed
function at the particular instant,

More RAM is always helpful because when you run low on RAM
the computer OS begins to page data onto the hard drive
which is slow. The Celeron CPU is not as fast as the P4
because it doesn't have as much cache memory. Your mobo may
be running at 400 or 533 MHz.
If your graphics applications are intensive (new games) your
speed will improve with a better, fester dedicated graphics
card, which will also free more system RAM.
If you're doing on-line games or even browsing, a slow
connection or slow server on the connection will bog things
down.

If your cooling is poor, the Intel CPU will detect high heat
and slow down to keep the CPU from burning up.

If the hard drive is fragmented, it will slow the computer
down.

If your anti-virus and firewall are settings are secure,
they may slow the operation.


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



message
| *What are the factors of "fast" computer speed?
| -If memory is the solution, you don't have to read all
below.
| -My computer is Intel Celeron 2.80GHz, 240MB RAM with 96MB
for graphic card,
| so the actual memory is 144MB, only one hard drive with
about 80GB on C:\,
| 4GB on D:\. Now this computer is way better than the
computer i used last
| year, about half the performance of my current computer,
but the "speed"
| doesn't look so different. Although i used XP Pro last
year, i don't think it
| matters.
|
| My Brother's computer, i'm not sure about its actual
performance, uses
| resolution 1280x960 with 64MB graphic card, about 130GB of
hard drive, but
| that computer accesses way faster than my computer.
|
| If the ammount of memory for my computer is problem, i
don't understand it.
| i understand about "available" ammount of memory, which
means if the programs
| keep eating available memory, the available memory will
reach 0, needing more
| time to execute commands. My usual available memory is
about 60MB, and i have
| no idea where those 84MB of memory is used for. Of course,
i turned off all
| unnecessary stuffs.
 
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