Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

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Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that Vista
is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP... Is
that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will not
be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
going down the Millenium path?
 
DigitalBlade said:
Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that Vista
is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP... Is
that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will not
be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
going down the Millenium path?
Click to expand...

Vista currently is extremly buggy. Networking does not work. Media sharing
does not work correctly either with connecting and the music folders being
listed and playing music in the correct order. the songs are not played in
the correct order nor are they listefd in the correct order. So media
sharing sucks and is completely broken. It is incompatible with a ton of
stuff. Vista computers will a lot of times not boot after you install vista
on a home made pc.

It maybe should not be related to ME though. It's totally different. I never
had problems with Me, but vista sure does not work for me at all. Good thing
i only paid $50 for Ultimate not upgrade either. friend has access to MS
store. Told me to pay her $50. cool.

I wish i could have her take vista back to MS store for a refund it sucks so
bad. I'd get rid of it in a heart beat if i could.
 
It depends on what reports you read.
The critics say all is bad while Microsoft suggests all is great.
Like many things, the true picture is likely somewhere in the middle.

Dell recently added Windows XP to some models.
Windows XP has always been available on some Dell models and now there
are more.
The critics want to read more into this than is there.

In the past many OEMs continued with the previous OS for some time
after the release of the new so Dell and the other OEMs selling
computers with Windows XP is nothing new.

Windows XP is a good solid operating system making some less
interested in upgrading to Windows Vista.
On the other hand, many believed Windows ME a poor operating system
and so they quickly jumped to Windows XP.
Some suggest sales are slower with windows Vista than when Windows XP
was released over 5 years ago.
But the above alone can account for significant differences.

Windows Vista RTM has worked great for me on two of my computers since
November and many others have the same experience.
Most including many critics expect Windows Vista to get better as 3rd
party support improves.
Also some expect Service Pack 1 to make Vista better.

There is no real comparison to Windows ME, but some want others to see
what does not exist.
That is one of the myths some seem to want to perpetuate.

Try Windows Vista for yourself and make up your own mind.
It seems some of the critics have never tried Windows Vista and just
like to bash.
 
"friend has access to MS store. Told me to pay her $50. cool."
Don't say that to loud.
Your friend could be quickly fired for abusing the privilege.
It has happened in the past.

Your friend has at least two major violations of Company Store policy.
She should be very careful if she likes her current employment or what
ever affiliation gave her the access.
 
DigitalBlade said:
Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that Vista
is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP... Is
that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will not
be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
going down the Millenium path?
Click to expand...
Linux crowd FUD and total bs. It's the trash dot linux losers last gasp.
RIP to them.
Frank
 
In
Jupiter Jones said:
It depends on what reports you read.
The critics say all is bad while Microsoft suggests all is great.
Like many things, the true picture is likely somewhere in the middle.

Dell recently added Windows XP to some models.
Windows XP has always been available on some Dell models and now there
are more.
The critics want to read more into this than is there.

In the past many OEMs continued with the previous OS for some time
after the release of the new so Dell and the other OEMs selling
computers with Windows XP is nothing new.

Windows XP is a good solid operating system making some less
interested in upgrading to Windows Vista.
On the other hand, many believed Windows ME a poor operating system
and so they quickly jumped to Windows XP.
Some suggest sales are slower with windows Vista than when Windows XP
was released over 5 years ago.
But the above alone can account for significant differences.

Windows Vista RTM has worked great for me on two of my computers since
November and many others have the same experience.
Most including many critics expect Windows Vista to get better as 3rd
party support improves.
Also some expect Service Pack 1 to make Vista better.

There is no real comparison to Windows ME, but some want others to see
what does not exist.
That is one of the myths some seem to want to perpetuate.

Try Windows Vista for yourself and make up your own mind.
It seems some of the critics have never tried Windows Vista and just
like to bash.
Click to expand...

Te latest I heard is an SP3 is coming out for XP. That kind of solidifies my
belief that XP lifecycle will be extended longer than the comparitive
lifecycle of NT4 was in regards to Windows 2000 release. If you remember, an
SP7 was targeted for NT4 near the time of Win2000's release, but was canned.
IIRC, it was because of 2000's success. So it may seem that XP will hand
around a bit due to complaints of certain apps not compatible in busineess
environments. I switched one of my clients to Vista, as well as planning
others little by little, however we have two clients that we cannot because
of a payroll app that uses GP (Great Plains) that is not compatible with IE7
and something else in Vista (it eludes me as this time) therefore, we have
to stick to XP for those folks.

I agree with you and must add I guess it depends. Me, I like it, but we must
ensure compatibility and continued productivity for clients or it is really
NOT worth the headaches to move ahead only to have to move back to XP to
keep them working. And if the only problem is IE7 and if it is suggested to
upgrade GP to a version that does work, management does not want to hear
they need to dish out a ton of additional moneys to make it work. But if the
problem is the app and the vendor does not have a version for it, they are
stuck on XP.


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DigitalBlade said:
Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that Vista
is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP... Is
that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will not
be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
going down the Millenium path?
Click to expand...

You don't "make" Vista compatible "with this and that". It is the hardware
manufacturer's responsibility to provide Vista compatible drivers for their
hardware. In some instances XP drivers work, in others the manufacturer's
have or are providing Vista compatible drives for legacy hardware and for
some hardware they are not supporting it. This is no different than when XP
was released. Some of the manufacturer's have dropped the ball on driver
development for Vista such as nVidia and Creative, but then Creative has
always been problematic with their drivers. The bottom line is there is
nothing new here. The driver picture is getting better, more are coming
available, but you have to research what hardware you have and and
compatibility for it. For example I have a NEC laser printer with no Vista
driver, but then found one of the HP laser jet model Vista drivers worked.

Software is the same thing. Some XP software will run on Vista, some will
run with some issues, some needs and update, and some won't.

I think some of the computer OEMs dropped the ball in getting stable images
for their new hardware too. We see reports in here of OEM laptops with
Vista installed with problems right out of the box. This is the fault of
the computer OEM. They didn't do a good job of creating the hardware
drivers for it. BIOS is also an issue. We have seen many situations where
a BIOS upgrade eliminated problems. I think that's one reason why Dell
increased the number of systems they would sell with XP. Their Vista
offerings were causing some complaints because they weren't ready. They
need to get their development act in order.

On the right hardware, with the right drivers and software Vista runs well.
There are bugs in Vista, of course, but it's not going away. It will only
get better, as XP did. Some of the folks who where screaming when XP came
out that Win98 was the best OS MS ever made, are now screaming the same tune
about XP. It's funny how quickly time changes perspective, and some just
like to complain.
 
Jupiter said:
It depends on what reports you read.
The critics say all is bad while Microsoft suggests all is great.
Like many things, the true picture is likely somewhere in the middle.

Dell recently added Windows XP to some models.
Windows XP has always been available on some Dell models and now there
are more.
The critics want to read more into this than is there.

In the past many OEMs continued with the previous OS for some time
after the release of the new so Dell and the other OEMs selling
computers with Windows XP is nothing new.

Windows XP is a good solid operating system making some less
interested in upgrading to Windows Vista.
On the other hand, many believed Windows ME a poor operating system
and so they quickly jumped to Windows XP.
Some suggest sales are slower with windows Vista than when Windows XP
was released over 5 years ago.
But the above alone can account for significant differences.

Windows Vista RTM has worked great for me on two of my computers since
November and many others have the same experience.
Most including many critics expect Windows Vista to get better as 3rd
party support improves.
Also some expect Service Pack 1 to make Vista better.

There is no real comparison to Windows ME, but some want others to see
what does not exist.
That is one of the myths some seem to want to perpetuate.

Try Windows Vista for yourself and make up your own mind.
Click to expand...

Can this test be performed without spending hundreds of dollars? If so, how?

Love and Kisses,
Doris
 
Personally I have had no problems with Vista Ultimate which I am using on a
new custom built PC. OEM Vista. It is a very advanced and sleek OS which I
find a joy to use. The leap from XP to Vista was well worth it.
 
AMD said:
Vista currently is extremly buggy. Networking does not work. Media sharing
does not work correctly either with connecting and the music folders being
listed and playing music in the correct order. the songs are not played in
the correct order nor are they listefd in the correct order. So media
sharing sucks and is completely broken. It is incompatible with a ton of
stuff. Vista computers will a lot of times not boot after you install vista
on a home made pc.

It maybe should not be related to ME though. It's totally different. I never
had problems with Me, but vista sure does not work for me at all. Good thing
i only paid $50 for Ultimate not upgrade either. friend has access to MS
store. Told me to pay her $50. cool.

I wish i could have her take vista back to MS store for a refund it sucks so
bad. I'd get rid of it in a heart beat if i could.
Click to expand...
So...you did post your problems here and ask for help right?
Frank
 
Ace Fekay said:
Te latest I heard is an SP3 is coming out for XP. That kind of solidifies
my belief that XP lifecycle will be extended longer than the comparitive
lifecycle of NT4 was in regards to Windows 2000 release. If you remember,
an SP7 was targeted for NT4 near the time of Win2000's release, but was
canned.
Click to expand...

Of course, the same thing very well may happen to SP3, which has been pushed
out so ridiculously far so many times that it's dangling for dear life at
the end of a rapidly sagging branch. We won't know it's actually coming
until the beta starts, and I haven't even seen a whisper of a rumor about
that yet.

On the comparisons with WinMe, which I always thought caught a bad rap,
let's not forget that Vista is a major overhaul of its predecessor, while
WinMe was the teeniest of tweaks to 98SE (so little that it should have been
close to problem-free). I'm surprised that Vista hasn't had a rougher time
than it has.
 
Frank said:
So...you did post your problems here and ask for help right?
Frank
Click to expand...

Frank, thanks for asking.
Yes. I have posted about the networking, no help there. I've posted about
the media sharing, same thread as networking and another one, no help
either. I also have issues with I can't boot after i install vista as it
says wrong system disk, put in the install disc to boot. I've posted about
that too, no help yet entirely.

the threads in this general group are called,

pc won't boot after vista installed
media and sharing issues in vista
problems with vista sharing and music

then there's networking threads in the vista.networking_sharing group and
the vista.music_pictures_video group.

I placed in the vista.installation_setup group about my can't boot problem
too.

Not really any help that has worked at all yet.

I wanna get rid ofmy vista if i can't get things working. :(
 
AMD said:
Frank, thanks for asking.
Yes. I have posted about the networking, no help there. I've posted about
the media sharing, same thread as networking and another one, no help
either. I also have issues with I can't boot after i install vista as it
says wrong system disk, put in the install disc to boot. I've posted about
that too, no help yet entirely.

the threads in this general group are called,

pc won't boot after vista installed
media and sharing issues in vista
problems with vista sharing and music

then there's networking threads in the vista.networking_sharing group and
the vista.music_pictures_video group.

I placed in the vista.installation_setup group about my can't boot problem
too.

Not really any help that has worked at all yet.

I wanna get rid ofmy vista if i can't get things working. :(
Click to expand...
Well it sounds like you need to do a clean install.
I have all of my network working and I'm running three Vista's, three XP
Pro's, Server 2003 SP2 (standard), Windows Home Server CTP and even
WinSE on virtual pc 2007 and they can all communicate with each other.
So we know networking works in Vista.
I used media sharing with WHS and between two Vista's one is x32 and the
other x64.
I have over 5,000 music files, wma's, mp3's a few wav's and some iTunes
on an XP Pro but all on WMP 11 (same as Vista's) with an extensive
library and I know you have to pay strict attention to the information
in the advanced tag editor in order for the library to function
correctly and as you want it to.
I have software from just about every major manufacturer installed and
working. I did have to install some of it using compatibility mode but
it all functions normally.
As for the not booting problem, I'd check the bios setting to try and
solve that problem.
If we can be of any help to you, just post.
Good luck.
Frank
 
Frank said:
Well it sounds like you need to do a clean install.
I have all of my network working and I'm running three Vista's, three XP
Pro's, Server 2003 SP2 (standard), Windows Home Server CTP and even WinSE
on virtual pc 2007 and they can all communicate with each other. So we
know networking works in Vista.
I used media sharing with WHS and between two Vista's one is x32 and the
other x64.
I have over 5,000 music files, wma's, mp3's a few wav's and some iTunes on
an XP Pro but all on WMP 11 (same as Vista's) with an extensive library
and I know you have to pay strict attention to the information in the
advanced tag editor in order for the library to function correctly and as
you want it to.
I have software from just about every major manufacturer installed and
working. I did have to install some of it using compatibility mode but it
all functions normally.
As for the not booting problem, I'd check the bios setting to try and
solve that problem.
If we can be of any help to you, just post.
Good luck.
Frank
Click to expand...

Thanks Frank.
I have clean install more then once and get the same issue. Bios is set
correctly as well for which drive to boot from etc.

The media sharing doesn't work from my xbox 1 which is modded to stream
media. If I try to browse the lan it won't show unless vista is off. it
won't get the media in correct order from the media sharing. but if i browse
via the network it is fine so long as vista pc is off.

i do know that networking does work in part, but for me it's broken.

i truly have no clue what to do and am so gratefull to people for trying to
help.
 
I will bet that you have multiple hard drives installed on your computer. If
you do, get back to me as I know how to fix your problem.

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Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
Hi Richard,
I have a self built 2 xeon HT CPUs with 5 hard drives, 2 SCSI, 3 IDEs
running Ultimate and I have no problems with it except I had to change my
Matrox Parhelia ( no Areo ) for an ATi card . I just got an HP dv9317ca
notebook and am setting up a wired network. I'm pretty savy about computers
but if you have some tricks or experience that will shorten my setup time, I
will appreciate it. I see the 2 computers, from each machine but only shows
the Public folder on the laptop.

Thanks, Doug
 
The most sensible post I've seen in this NG for quite a while. Windows is
the OS that people rely on to get *work* done. It is imperative that MS
remembers that this is one of the reasons that Windows has been so
successful. I am almost excited about the prospect of an SP3 for XP.
 
I was specifically referring to AMD's failure to boot problem.

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Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
Windows Vista RTM has worked great for me on two of my computers since
November and many others have the same experience.
Click to expand...

I'll just like to add on my four machines its been working great, and
they're a broad spectrum of performance, from high-end to minimum
requirements.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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Can this test be performed without spending hundreds of dollars? If so, how?
Click to expand...

That is precisely my problem with trying out Vista. I would actually
try it out of I reasonably could to form a better opinion of it.

But lets see...since from what I hear one can only buy the OEM version
now if they buy a HD, CPU, Mobo, and Ram....that rules out the OEM
version for me so now I have to go buy the retail verison even though
I don't need the extra phone support it gives. Significantly raises my
cost.

Next, if I actually want to give Vista a *fair* trial, I need to
install it on a fairly identical system that I use on a daily basis.
Installing it on a 4 year old hardly used PC is not a fair comparison.

Well...I currently have over 2k invested in my current system and it
would cost me roughly the same amount of money to build another system
like it that is comparable.

So basically...

Cost for Vista Ultimate: 400
Cost for Test system: 2,000 - 2,500

So what am I looking at? Almost 3,000 dollars just to see if I even
WANT to use this? No thanks.

Installing it on my existing machine is not an option. I need to work
and make money.

Considering all the other myriad of reasons why I inherently do not
want this operating system...I sure as hell have no financial
incentive to waste that much money on a test sytem for an OS I
inherently don't care for. There are better ways to spend my money.
 
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