Noozer said:I've validated DOZENS of times...
How do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?
Shenan Stanley said:You could have one computer that validates and use it to download all the
updates from the catalog and burn them to CD and install on the rest.
That'd probably work.
All that work just because Microsoft assumes that every user is a theif?
Noozer said:I've validated DOZENS of times...
How do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?
philo said:yep...
and probably only half the users are thieves <G>
Noozer said:I've validated DOZENS of times...
How do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?
Shenan said:You could have one computer that validates and use it to download
all the updates from the catalog and burn them to CD and install
All that work just because Microsoft assumes that every user is a
theif?
Work? What work?
There are web pages full of links to direct downloads of said
hotfixes/patches. No WGA, nothing.
There are products (freeware) that just have them all rolled up.
There are posts in Google Groups on occassion that list the direct download
links for every patch since SP2.
An hour a month "effort", each month - if you have dial-up and the patch is
not some enormous service pack sized thing.
Shenan said:Noozer said:I've validated DOZENS of times...
How do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?
Shenan said:You could have one computer that validates and use it to download
all the updates from the catalog and burn them to CD and install
Work? What work?
There are web pages full of links to direct downloads of said
hotfixes/patches. No WGA, nothing.
There are products (freeware) that just have them all rolled up.
There are posts in Google Groups on occassion that list the direct
download links for every patch since SP2.
An hour a month "effort", each month - if you have dial-up and the
patch is not some enormous service pack sized thing.
LOL! I consider it a PITA to keep my post-SP2 patch page up-to-date.
But I do it to help people avoid MS's WGA spy/malware.
--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
Noozer said:I've validated DOZENS of times...
How do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?
Shenan said:You could have one computer that validates and use it to download
all the updates from the catalog and burn them to CD and install
All that work just because Microsoft assumes that every user is a
theif?
Shenan said:Work? What work?
There are web pages full of links to direct downloads of said
hotfixes/patches. No WGA, nothing.
There are products (freeware) that just have them all rolled up.
There are posts in Google Groups on occassion that list the direct
download links for every patch since SP2.
An hour a month "effort", each month - if you have dial-up and the
patch is not some enormous service pack sized thing.LOL! I consider it a PITA to keep my post-SP2 patch page
up-to-date. But I do it to help people avoid MS's WGA spy/malware.
I keep a list pretty well updated since I have to reinstall several humndred
computers every few months. I use it to integrate into my unattended
installs and the likes. It's not that bad if you "keep up" and check in
once a month.. That way you know what patches you need, hich ones have been
superceded with new ones, etc.. If you go out *now* and start from scratch..
It can be a chore - after all - everything since SP2 is quite the list!
Places like this:
http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/view/web/5/
with links to lists like this:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=31886
Or places like this:
http://unattended.sourceforge.net/
who keep scripts like this:
http://unattended.cvs.sourceforge.n...inxpsp2-updates.bat?revision=1.81&view=markup
updated for their unattended installation methods..
... can really ease the pressure on someone trying to get them all together.
And then there are applications like this:
http://www.autopatcher.com/
Which include (for 32 bit XP) these patches:
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=f42a7bf7b906d0a6631cb25d3fe227ab&showtopic=460888
In other words - when someone else has already done the work and is willing
to share.. Things get a lot easier.
All that took was a bit of searching via Google to come up with. heh.
Shenan said:Noozer said:I've validated DOZENS of times...
How do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?
Shenan said:You could have one computer that validates and use it to download
all the updates from the catalog and burn them to CD and install
I keep a list pretty well updated since I have to reinstall several
humndred computers every few months. I use it to integrate into my
unattended installs and the likes. It's not that bad if you "keep
up" and check in once a month.. That way you know what patches you
need, hich ones have been superceded with new ones, etc.. If you go
out *now* and start from scratch.. It can be a chore - after all -
everything since SP2 is quite the list!
Places like this:
http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/view/web/5/
with links to lists like this:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=31886
Or places like this:
http://unattended.sourceforge.net/
who keep scripts like this:
http://unattended.cvs.sourceforge.n...inxpsp2-updates.bat?revision=1.81&view=markup
updated for their unattended installation methods..
.. can really ease the pressure on someone trying to get them all
together.
And then there are applications like this:
http://www.autopatcher.com/
Which include (for 32 bit XP) these patches:
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=f42a7bf7b906d0a6631cb25d3fe227ab&showtopic=460888
In other words - when someone else has already done the work and is
willing to share.. Things get a lot easier.
All that took was a bit of searching via Google to come up with. heh.
Still is an unnecessary PITA, thanks to MS's WGA spy/malware.
--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
Noozer said:I've validated DOZENS of times...
How do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?
Shenan said:You could have one computer that validates and use it to download
all the updates from the catalog and burn them to CD and install
All that work just because Microsoft assumes that every user is a
theif?
Shenan said:Work? What work?
There are web pages full of links to direct downloads of said
hotfixes/patches. No WGA, nothing.
There are products (freeware) that just have them all rolled up.
There are posts in Google Groups on occassion that list the direct
download links for every patch since SP2.
An hour a month "effort", each month - if you have dial-up and the
patch is not some enormous service pack sized thing.LOL! I consider it a PITA to keep my post-SP2 patch page
up-to-date. But I do it to help people avoid MS's WGA spy/malware.
Shenan said:I keep a list pretty well updated since I have to reinstall several
hundred computers every few months. I use it to integrate into my
unattended installs and the likes. It's not that bad if you "keep
up" and check in once a month.. That way you know what patches you
need, hich ones have been superceded with new ones, etc.. If you go
out *now* and start from scratch.. It can be a chore - after all -
everything since SP2 is quite the list!
Places like this:
http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/view/web/5/
with links to lists like this:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=31886
Or places like this:
http://unattended.sourceforge.net/
who keep scripts like this:
http://unattended.cvs.sourceforge.n...inxpsp2-updates.bat?revision=1.81&view=markup
updated for their unattended installation methods..
.. can really ease the pressure on someone trying to get them all
together.
And then there are applications like this:
http://www.autopatcher.com/
Which include (for 32 bit XP) these patches:
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=f42a7bf7b906d0a6631cb25d3fe227ab&showtopic=460888
In other words - when someone else has already done the work and is
willing to share.. Things get a lot easier.
All that took was a bit of searching via Google to come up with.
heh.Still is an unnecessary PITA, thanks to MS's WGA spy/malware.
It is not because of WGA that _I_ do it..
Sure - I made that suggestion in this thread with reference to WGA ->
because it seems like the logical answer to the query of, "How do I simply
get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to run/load crap on my
computer EVERY time?"
I have done this since Windows NT 4.0. It makes my life supporting
computers easier. It is no different for any other OS. I have all the
updates and applications and patches I need downloaded and in place to make
it easier on me when working on someone's computer (mine, any I manage,
anyone I might help, etc.)
Yes. It is a PITA for me to keep all my files organized/etc..
For all the OSes and applications I manage.
I choose to do it.
In the end it helps myself and those that I might help.
I spend less time fumbling for answers and more time just applying what
needs to be applied.
You say it is a PITA for you and you do it because of WGA..
But didn't you have that list going before WGA?
(I could be mistaken there - maybe you didn't.)
You choose to do it.
In the end it helps you and those that you point there.
You help others spend less time looking for the updates (if they even would
have the knowledge/resources to do so.)
So - it may be an "unnecessary PITA", but I cannot say that _in my case_ it
has anything to do with WGA.
Heck - depending on how I look at my job/life/hobbies - it may not even
qualify as "unnecessary" _for me_! hah
Noozer said:All that work just because Microsoft assumes that every user is a
theif?
Shenan said:Noozer said:I've validated DOZENS of times...
How do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?
Shenan said:You could have one computer that validates and use it to download
all the updates from the catalog and burn them to CD and install
It is not because of WGA that _I_ do it..
Sure - I made that suggestion in this thread with reference to WGA ->
because it seems like the logical answer to the query of, "How do I
simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to run/load
crap on my computer EVERY time?"
I have done this since Windows NT 4.0. It makes my life supporting
computers easier. It is no different for any other OS. I have all
the updates and applications and patches I need downloaded and in
place to make it easier on me when working on someone's computer
(mine, any I manage, anyone I might help, etc.)
Yes. It is a PITA for me to keep all my files organized/etc..
For all the OSes and applications I manage.
I choose to do it.
In the end it helps myself and those that I might help.
I spend less time fumbling for answers and more time just applying
what needs to be applied.
You say it is a PITA for you and you do it because of WGA..
But didn't you have that list going before WGA?
(I could be mistaken there - maybe you didn't.)
You choose to do it.
In the end it helps you and those that you point there.
You help others spend less time looking for the updates (if they even
would have the knowledge/resources to do so.)
So - it may be an "unnecessary PITA", but I cannot say that _in my
case_ it has anything to do with WGA.
Heck - depending on how I look at my job/life/hobbies - it may not
even qualify as "unnecessary" _for me_! hah
Yeah, I started my list when WGA was still voluntary, fully
understanding that one day MS would force WGA on all its paying
customers, and making it increasingly more and more burdensome on its
paying customers.
And as for you comparing your necessities as compared to the average
computer luser, most don't want more PITA's when it comes to computing,
they want less, as there is plenty, too many things that already make
there computing eXPerience a chore, at best.
--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
HeyBub said:No, but there are opportunistic rascals. That's why your front door
has a lock on it.
Micros~1 is merely doing their part to prevent a good boy from going
bad.
Noozer said:I've validated DOZENS of times...
How do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?
Shenan said:You could have one computer that validates and use it to download
all the updates from the catalog and burn them to CD and install
All that work just because Microsoft assumes that every user is a
theif?
Shenan said:Work? What work?
There are web pages full of links to direct downloads of said
hotfixes/patches. No WGA, nothing.
There are products (freeware) that just have them all rolled up.
There are posts in Google Groups on occassion that list the direct
download links for every patch since SP2.
An hour a month "effort", each month - if you have dial-up and the
patch is not some enormous service pack sized thing.LOL! I consider it a PITA to keep my post-SP2 patch page
up-to-date. But I do it to help people avoid MS's WGA spy/malware.
Shenan said:I keep a list pretty well updated since I have to reinstall
several hundred computers every few months. I use it to
integrate into my unattended installs and the likes. It's not
that bad if you "keep up" and check in once a month.. That way
you know what patches you need, hich ones have been superceded
with new ones, etc.. If you go out *now* and start from scratch..
It can be a chore - after all - everything since SP2 is quite the
list! Places like this:
http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/view/web/5/
with links to lists like this:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=31886
Or places like this:
http://unattended.sourceforge.net/
who keep scripts like this:
http://unattended.cvs.sourceforge.n...inxpsp2-updates.bat?revision=1.81&view=markup
updated for their unattended installation methods..
.. can really ease the pressure on someone trying to get them all
together.
And then there are applications like this:
http://www.autopatcher.com/
Which include (for 32 bit XP) these patches:
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=f42a7bf7b906d0a6631cb25d3fe227ab&showtopic=460888
In other words - when someone else has already done the work and
is willing to share.. Things get a lot easier.
All that took was a bit of searching via Google to come up with.
heh.Still is an unnecessary PITA, thanks to MS's WGA spy/malware.
Shenan said:It is not because of WGA that _I_ do it..
Sure - I made that suggestion in this thread with reference to WGA
-> because it seems like the logical answer to the query of, "How
do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?"
I have done this since Windows NT 4.0. It makes my life supporting
computers easier. It is no different for any other OS. I have all
the updates and applications and patches I need downloaded and in
place to make it easier on me when working on someone's computer
(mine, any I manage, anyone I might help, etc.)
Yes. It is a PITA for me to keep all my files organized/etc..
For all the OSes and applications I manage.
I choose to do it.
In the end it helps myself and those that I might help.
I spend less time fumbling for answers and more time just applying
what needs to be applied.
You say it is a PITA for you and you do it because of WGA..
But didn't you have that list going before WGA?
(I could be mistaken there - maybe you didn't.)
You choose to do it.
In the end it helps you and those that you point there.
You help others spend less time looking for the updates (if they
even would have the knowledge/resources to do so.)
So - it may be an "unnecessary PITA", but I cannot say that _in my
case_ it has anything to do with WGA.
Heck - depending on how I look at my job/life/hobbies - it may not
even qualify as "unnecessary" _for me_! hahYeah, I started my list when WGA was still voluntary, fully
understanding that one day MS would force WGA on all its paying
customers, and making it increasingly more and more burdensome on
its paying customers.
And as for you comparing your necessities as compared to the average
computer luser, most don't want more PITA's when it comes to
computing, they want less, as there is plenty, too many things that
already make there computing eXPerience a chore, at best.
I don't recall comparing myself to an average user. I did point out the
best answer I could (realistic and functioning answer) to the original post.
I did state what _I_ had to do and why _I_ had to do it.. but I never said
it wasn't a PITA nor that an average user should be expected to do what I
do. I even gave lists (later) of links that pointed to lists of needed
patches or applications that had them "all-in-one and ready-to-install".
Trying to lessen the PITA that patching may be for those people who know
about WGA, disagree with WGA or are just having trouble getting patches
installed the conventional ways. heh
On the contrary - I do what I do so "average users" that I deal with don't
have to deal with the PITA stuff I do. Just like anyone else who provides a
service to their customers. They are good at it and the customer has no
interest/time to do it so they hire out the job to someone who does. I like
doing my lawn-work.. really. I occassional pay someone to do it because at
that time - it's a PITA.
I appreciate your list of patches, Kurt. I know what a PITA it is to keep
up. I consider it a generous offer to those who might not be able to
accumulate such a list on their own (or don't want to/don't have time to.)
I did not list what _I_ do here to compare myself to an average user.. only
to point out that the PITA process of keeping track of patches for anything
cannot be attached to just one reason. WGA may be *your* reason for doing
the PITA thing of listing/accumulating MS patches. Customer service
responsibility may be mine. Bored as hell may be someone elses. heh
I would bet that there are still many people out there who have *no idea*
what WGA is or that it exists. Their computers have happily chugged along
without pause either because everything just worked with their automatic
updates, they don't update or because they have someone doing all of the
background stuff for them. There are many who may never know.
Shenan said:Noozer said:I've validated DOZENS of times...
How do I simply get my Windows updates WITHOUT Microsoft having to
run/load crap on my computer EVERY time?
Shenan said:You could have one computer that validates and use it to download
all the updates from the catalog and burn them to CD and install
I don't recall comparing myself to an average user. I did point out
the best answer I could (realistic and functioning answer) to the
original post. I did state what _I_ had to do and why _I_ had to do
it.. but I never said it wasn't a PITA nor that an average user
should be expected to do what I do. I even gave lists (later) of
links that pointed to lists of needed patches or applications that
had them "all-in-one and ready-to-install". Trying to lessen the PITA
that patching may be for those people who know about WGA, disagree
with WGA or are just having trouble getting patches installed the
conventional ways. heh
On the contrary - I do what I do so "average users" that I deal with
don't have to deal with the PITA stuff I do. Just like anyone else
who provides a service to their customers. They are good at it and
the customer has no interest/time to do it so they hire out the job
to someone who does. I like doing my lawn-work.. really. I
occassional pay someone to do it because at that time - it's a PITA.
I appreciate your list of patches, Kurt. I know what a PITA it is to
keep up. I consider it a generous offer to those who might not be
able to accumulate such a list on their own (or don't want to/don't
have time to.)
I did not list what _I_ do here to compare myself to an average
user.. only to point out that the PITA process of keeping track of
patches for anything cannot be attached to just one reason. WGA may
be *your* reason for doing the PITA thing of listing/accumulating MS
patches. Customer service responsibility may be mine. Bored as hell
may be someone elses. heh
I would bet that there are still many people out there who have *no
idea* what WGA is or that it exists. Their computers have happily
chugged along without pause either because everything just worked
with their automatic updates, they don't update or because they have
someone doing all of the background stuff for them. There are many
who may never know.
The worst group is those that had finally learned to patch their OS on a
regular basis, only to be encouraged recently by all the WU/MU/AU & WGA
problems to stop.
Before WGA, MS had finally started to get through to people the
importance of patching. Too bad, with WGA malware, MS is undoing all of
that good.
--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
kurttrail said:LOL! You anti-consumer guys really have such piss-poor
analogies!
Does the lock manufacturer hold the all the keys to
unlocking your door?
Does the Home Builder?
POP said:kurttrail wrote:
Actually, yes, the homebuilder does hold those keys.
Rhonda said:Not after you close on the house.
Where on earth did you get this idea?
rl
Rhonda said:Not after you close on the house.
Where on earth did you get this idea?
rl