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Lou
MLC said:
Thanks.
Fun sig too.
Lou
I eat my peas with honey.
I've done it all my life.
It makes the peas taste funny.
But it keeps them on my knife.
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Lou
Well I already had Opera on my system so I opened it and sure enough
there was a notification waiting.
Lou
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mike
Well, they didn't bother to tell me, so thanks to Maria Luisa.
ICBA to keep doing betas, and I get on very well with 8.5, and I'm scared
of mucking about too much with my main app;, but now it looks like the big
day is here
miie
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mike
I should have known better :-((Well, they didn't bother to tell me, so thanks to Maria Luisa.
ICBA to keep doing betas, and I get on very well with 8.5, and I'm
scared of mucking about too much with my main app;, but now it looks
like the big day is here
Yet again an opera install has totally messed up my email; I can recover a
lot from the server, but my sent mail is missing - again.
I know it's in there somewhere, as all amil is stored in the mailboxes, but
I can't find it, or make it visible. And it's messed up oprea 8, so I can't
see it there either.
I wish they'd sort these things out
mike
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Roger Johansson
mike said:
You should have backed up your Opera before you updated.
There are two ways to install Opera, the best way is to have everything
inside the Opera folder. I first installed it the other way today, and
the settings and the profile folder ended up in the operating system,
under "Documents and settings.
So I uninstalled it and installed it again, this time getting it all
under the Opera folder.
That way it is easy to copy the whole folder to another path, and
update only one of the copies, so you have the old version as before if
the update did not work well.
Or you can back up your C: drive with "partition saving", for example,
before updating anything important.
Your mail is surely still there somewhere, you just need to set up
Opera in the right way so it finds the mail folder.
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wyrwolf
I've been quite happy with 8.5 - didn't even install the 9 Beta after
d/ling it
Is there any real benfits to the new version?
d/ling it
Is there any real benfits to the new version?
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Lou
wyrwolf said:
Your sig resembles this...
"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid,
than to open it and remove all doubt" Mark Twain
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Bill Day
On 20 Jun 2006 17:00:22 -0700, "Roger Johansson" <[email protected]>
wrote:
r Opera before you updated.
into different folders. I do NOT use Opera for mail, so I didn't have
to worry about that. I allowed this new version to be installed over
the 9 Beta, as I figured that would be safe. I had a desktop shortcut
for each copy, but forgot to UNcheck the option to place a shortcut,
and Opera installation very carefully deleted the old shortcut for 9
Beta, and replaced the shortcut for 7.53 with the new one for 9.....I
had a moment of panic before I checked the folders and made sure it
hadn't overwritten my 7.53. Why it did that trick, I will never know.
Why have all these old copies? Well, because I want to see what
changes in the interface have been made, plus, I keep a different
'set' of saved 'sessions' in some. I think I will soon delete the 6
and one of the 8s, but the 7.53 stays .... it seems that starting with
8, Opera 'dumbed down' certain features in the GUI; trying, I guess,
to make it friendlier & simpler....but now saving images has fewer
options, and manually changing the #s in the address requires extra
steps..etc..also, some of the keyboard shortcuts are not as precise as
before and sometimes do random things.
Opera 9 does have nice new features, but I sure wish they had not
messed with some of the old ones.
(ummm...yes, before anyone asks, I do have the latest Firefox, too, as
it has ITS advantages...as well as OffByOne and K-meleon...and IE,
too..sitting in its dusty corner)
wrote:
r Opera before you updated.
I have Opera 6.04, 7.53, 8.0, 8.5 and 9....all carefully installed
into different folders. I do NOT use Opera for mail, so I didn't have
to worry about that. I allowed this new version to be installed over
the 9 Beta, as I figured that would be safe. I had a desktop shortcut
for each copy, but forgot to UNcheck the option to place a shortcut,
and Opera installation very carefully deleted the old shortcut for 9
Beta, and replaced the shortcut for 7.53 with the new one for 9.....I
had a moment of panic before I checked the folders and made sure it
hadn't overwritten my 7.53. Why it did that trick, I will never know.
Why have all these old copies? Well, because I want to see what
changes in the interface have been made, plus, I keep a different
'set' of saved 'sessions' in some. I think I will soon delete the 6
and one of the 8s, but the 7.53 stays .... it seems that starting with
8, Opera 'dumbed down' certain features in the GUI; trying, I guess,
to make it friendlier & simpler....but now saving images has fewer
options, and manually changing the #s in the address requires extra
steps..etc..also, some of the keyboard shortcuts are not as precise as
before and sometimes do random things.
Opera 9 does have nice new features, but I sure wish they had not
messed with some of the old ones.
(ummm...yes, before anyone asks, I do have the latest Firefox, too, as
it has ITS advantages...as well as OffByOne and K-meleon...and IE,
too..sitting in its dusty corner)
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mike
I did - I tried a clean install of 8 on my other computer, put in the mail
and profile folders as just backed up and everything is fine.
But the opera 8 that is on this computer will not return to normal, and
Sent mail, which of course is what I can't recover from the server, isn't
on view.
I'm not sure what the "classic windows install" is, as against the
preferred file but it appears put some mail info, but not the store into
application data, and 9 seems to have put the profile in there.
But would it accept having the info hauled out of Application Data and put
in the Opera folder - I would have thought there'd be loads of links, paths
and keys messed up?
It was supposed to be a straightforward over install, which they say
will work fine, with data backed up, what could go wrong?
My best hope seems to be cleaning out evey trace of 8 (and 9), reinstalling
8 and hoping my backups will go in as nicely as on my spare computer, and
then worrying about installing 9 again, or wait for some knowledge to
surface first! (I'm very happy with 8, and I like the email client)
Yup, that sort of thing!
Yes, I'm sure it is, but sent and received are all mixed up in the mailbox,
it's something to do with indexing (I'm a muppet!) that gives the "sent"
view. I dread the thought of having to dig through all the mailboxes to
find the "from me" ones, and then perhaps having to keep them in a text
file if I can't sort it.
Thank you for your comments, I think they'll help.... I hope
mike
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Mutlley
Bill Day said:
You mean the installer gave you the option of where you wanted to
install it??
I have been using beta 9 for a while now but when I went to install 9
final it just installed the into a directory \program files\opera. I
had to copy all the stuff from my beta profile to the new profile
directory and edit the opera.ini file to reflect the new location of
every thing..
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Ian Anderson
I'm not sure what the difference is either, but I had been using the
Beta versions installed using "Windows Classic " which never crashed.
But when Opera 9 was first released "Windows Classic " wasn't
available so I did a new install using the "Windows MSI" installer.
When I visited http://www.webwombat.com.au/aus Opera 9 crashed every
time I tried to open the page. I then upgraded the last beta version
of Opera using the "Windows MSI" installer and that version then
crashed when I tried to open the above page.
When the "Windows Classic" installer appeared on the web site I wiped
the Opera 9 versions I had installed and did a new install using the
"Windows Classic" installer and haven't had any problems since.
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wyrwolf
as a matter of fact I just read something about the provenance of it and
Twain is one of a couple people considered as possibly the first to
popularize the saying. there are a couple others contenders tho and the
form I've chosen is more along the lines of an old folk-saying. Like
many such, the forms evolve over generations i) making it hard to trace
back and ii) raising one or two of the forms to be the (currently)
'commonly-accepted' form
all of which is irrelevant as I am laying no claim to originating the
quote or even quoting for that manner - I am merely postulating a
maxim (in the manner of Murphy's Law, the Peter Principle, or the
Exception Rule : All rules have an exception...except this one.)
Thanks for stopping by <G>
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wyrwolf
I followed the sound advice and backed up my Opera files and installed 9.
The install went very easy (easiest of all Opera installs so far) and so
far (crossing fingers) no problems.
The install went very easy (easiest of all Opera installs so far) and so
far (crossing fingers) no problems.
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Roger Johansson
Mutlley said:
The install programs Opera uses are very badly designed.
They do not clearly explain what choices there are and what the
practical consequences of those choices are.
Of course, the designer of those install program think they are crystal
clear and very easy to use, but that designer does not understand how
common people read and think.
He lacks the ability to imagine he was someone else.
I remember that the choice between single user and multiuser is written
as something like this:
Single user in multiuser
I didn't understand what it meant, so I made the wrong choice first,
had to uninstall it and install it again to get the result I wanted, to
have all settings in a profile folder inside the Opera folder.
The installer should explain that:
This choice, which is default, installs everything under the Opera
folder, so you can easily back up your installation by copying the
whole Opera folder.
This choice means that your settings and mail etc are stored in the
Documents and settings folder on the C: drive. You should only choose
this alternative if more than one person uses the computer AND you want
different settings, mail folders etc for each user.
The choice of where to install Opera should also be explained, not just
consist of a path line and a button beside that says browse.
Use a lot more words, and carefully consider what words to use and how
to do the layout of the text in the installer.
If there are buttons to click make them look like buttons, not like
decorative pictures.
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wyrwolf
well so much for that
it loads slower and runs slower and I had plugin problems
And I don't have the patience to screw with, I mean, Tweak it
so I changed th directory name and re-named my copy back
at least for now, I ain't changing
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Lee
wyrwolf wrote:
OT, but I just couldn't resist!
Survival tip number two - Never moon a werewolf! <vbg>
Regards
Lee in Toronto
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OT, but I just couldn't resist!
Survival tip number two - Never moon a werewolf! <vbg>
Regards
Lee in Toronto
Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita http://www.x-privat.org/join.php
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mike
Thanks, Roger, when I feel a bit better I'll try again with your info.
The install that went well on my second computer was 8.5, as I happened to
have the file on a stick, but the version on my main box is 8.53.
When I try to replacw the mail and profile folders in 8.5, it was fine, but
8.53 put mail as a subfolder of mail, and the same for profile.
If I deleted mail, and profile first, the prog recreated them and still put
in mail and profiles as subfolders!
I don't know if I could have managed it in DOS, as th easy answer seemed to
be to delete 8.53, install 8.5, and it's fine now.
I'm happy I posted, if only because I often feel I'm the only brainless
muppet this sort of thing ever happens to.
I really like opera, and it's email client, (I don't know about the
newsreader, you couldn't get Xnews off me with surgery), but even with your
advice, I'm dreading trying 9 again.
I did try to install 9 into a new folder, and leave 8 in the original
place, but something went wrong with that, too :-(
mike
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Bill Day
Yes, there were obvious choices....as usual, it made an assumption,
probably based on the first directory its installer found, but since I
had other versions and was intending to pick the location, it 'seemed'
pretty straightforward to me. I do know that many programs assume
THEY know best where to install, especially when it is a company with
a number of programs which want the company name as the basic folder,
but I have been able to out-manuver all but one of them....(I often
put minor programs under a lower level called
'accessories').....Opera, at least, allows me to have most of it's
functions IN its directory, and to keep things separate so I can run
two different versions at the same time...(Firefox won't allow my
wife's copy and mine to be open together)
Other than the bit with overwriting the shortcut, it went quite
smoothly going from Beta to Final....