Two Drives, two XP's.

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Given my bad luck with OS's I want to install two version of windows XP
on two separate drives. Right now I have XP installed on the C:\ drive
and I want to install another one instance on another drive I just
installed. I tried just booting from the CD, but it keeps relating back
to the current version. Any ideas?
 
Given my bad luck with OS's I want to install two version of windows XP
on two separate drives. Right now I have XP installed on the C:\ drive
and I want to install another one instance on another drive I just
installed. I tried just booting from the CD, but it keeps relating back
to the current version. Any ideas?

When you boot from the CD then you get an option to select
the destination drive & folder for your WinXP installation.
 
I created two new WindowsXP drives on my system over the past couple of
weeks, copied my data to a new drive just hours before my old hard drive
died. Then installed a 2nd new drive and made that one bootable too for a
reliable backup.

I used Norton Ghost 10.0. It has a Copy A Hard Drive feature that has check
boxes to copy a drive, make it bootable and create a new Master Boot Record
on the target drive.

The Norton check boxes I used did not make the target drive fully bootable.
To accomplish that I had to
-disconnect the source drive after the Copy finished then
-do a Windows Repair Install from my original Windows CD onto the target
drive.

I first changed the BIOS to make the computer boot from the CD or DVD drive
instead of from the floppy drive. Also needed to rename the newly bootable
target drive to C: Finally, had to re-activate some of my programs but that
wasn't too hard in most cases.

Unless you're experienced at doing this it would be good idea to get help
from a good computer technician. I got stuck once or twice along the way and
having a good friend helping me with all of this made all the difference.

Best to you,
GettingByOK
 
If you copied the drive and disconnected the source drive, the drive should
have already been C when you booted.
--
Ronald Sommer

:I created two new WindowsXP drives on my system over the past couple of
: weeks, copied my data to a new drive just hours before my old hard drive
: died. Then installed a 2nd new drive and made that one bootable too for a
: reliable backup.
:
: I used Norton Ghost 10.0. It has a Copy A Hard Drive feature that has
check
: boxes to copy a drive, make it bootable and create a new Master Boot
Record
: on the target drive.
:
: The Norton check boxes I used did not make the target drive fully
bootable.
: To accomplish that I had to
: -disconnect the source drive after the Copy finished then
: -do a Windows Repair Install from my original Windows CD onto the target
: drive.
:
: I first changed the BIOS to make the computer boot from the CD or DVD
drive
: instead of from the floppy drive. Also needed to rename the newly bootable
: target drive to C: Finally, had to re-activate some of my programs but
that
: wasn't too hard in most cases.
:
: Unless you're experienced at doing this it would be good idea to get help
: from a good computer technician. I got stuck once or twice along the way
and
: having a good friend helping me with all of this made all the difference.
:
: Best to you,
: GettingByOK
:
: "(e-mail address removed)" wrote:
:
: > Given my bad luck with OS's I want to install two version of windows XP
: > on two separate drives. Right now I have XP installed on the C:\ drive
: > and I want to install another one instance on another drive I just
: > installed. I tried just booting from the CD, but it keeps relating back
: > to the current version. Any ideas?
: >
: >
 
Disconnect the first drive and install the second XP to the second drive.
Reconnect the first drive and add the second XP system to boot.ini.
If the first drive goes down, you will be able to disconnect the first drive
and boot the second drive.
Both XPs will be installed on C.

If you install a second XP to D, it will always be on D and will not boot
without C.
--
Ronald Sommer

: Given my bad luck with OS's I want to install two version of windows XP
: on two separate drives. Right now I have XP installed on the C:\ drive
: and I want to install another one instance on another drive I just
: installed. I tried just booting from the CD, but it keeps relating back
: to the current version. Any ideas?
:
 
Given my bad luck with OS's I want to install two version of windows XP
on two separate drives. Right now I have XP installed on the C:\ drive
and I want to install another one instance on another drive I just
installed. I tried just booting from the CD, but it keeps relating back
to the current version. Any ideas?


beantown:
In addition to the suggestions you've already received, you might want to
consider the following...

Assuming you're working with a desktop PC and you have an available (vacant)
5 1/4" bay in your computer case...

Why not install a removable HDD (mobile rack) in the machine to house your
second HDD? There are so many advantages to this arrangement (including your
objective of equipping your PC with multiple operating systems) I hardly
know where to start.

If you (or anyone else for that matter) might have any interest at all in
such a hardware configuration or would just like to have some more info on
it, so indicate and I'll "flesh" things out.
Anna
 
Anna,

This sounds like the solution I have been seeking. To verify:

One (and only one) Desktop PC.
One Internal Hard Drive.
One (maybe two) Mobile Rack(s) installed.
One copy of Windows XP installed on the Internal Hard Drive.
The same copy of Windows XP installed on the "Mobile Rack Drive".
Boot from the Internal Hard Drive for, let's say, business activites.
Boot from the "Mobile Rack Drive" for, let's say, family game, photo, music,
etc., activites.
Only one drive in operation at a time.
Information on the separate drives is completely discrete. So, if I want a
word processing program to operate from each drive, I must install it on each
drive.

Will I be able to accomplish this with one licensed copy of Windows XP?
Any tips on a quality mobile rack drive manufacturer?
What will I need to do or watch for when I begin installing Windows XP in
this setup? (Not looking for in-depth instructions here, only a point in the
right direction).

Thanks in advance.
 
"Tom" jumped up and blurted:
Anna,

This sounds like the solution I have been seeking. To verify:

One (and only one) Desktop PC.
One Internal Hard Drive.
One (maybe two) Mobile Rack(s) installed.
One copy of Windows XP installed on the Internal Hard Drive.
The same copy of Windows XP installed on the "Mobile Rack Drive".
Boot from the Internal Hard Drive for, let's say, business activites.
Boot from the "Mobile Rack Drive" for, let's say, family game, photo, music,
etc., activites.
Only one drive in operation at a time.
Information on the separate drives is completely discrete. So, if I want a
word processing program to operate from each drive, I must install it on each
drive.

Will I be able to accomplish this with one licensed copy of Windows XP?


Yes. Just make a clone (NOT an "image file" - which is just one big
file, perhaps compressed, that has to be "restored" to get a working
copy) of the installed Windows XP onto the removable hard drive.
If you move the *entire* contents (i.e. all partitions) from one hard drive
to another, you can use any of the major or minor cloning utilities, even
the cloning utility offered by your hard drive's manufacturer from their
website. If you want to clone just one of several partitions and put it
perhaps among other partitions on another hard drive, the major utilities
would be Ghost (by Symantec) or Casper XP (by Future Systems Solutions).
The latter was developed expressly for the NT/2K/XP family of Windows
OSes - see www.FSSdev.com/products/casperxp/ .

Any tips on a quality mobile rack drive manufacturer?

Check out Kingwin's products for both IDE and SATA drives:
http://kingwin.com/mobileracks.asp . Then use Google, or
PriceWatch, or Nextag, etc. to find low prices. You should be
able to get a rack and a tray for around $25 or less, a lone
tray for maybe $15.


What will I need to do or watch for when I begin installing Windows XP in
this setup? (Not looking for in-depth instructions here, only a point in the
right direction).

Make sure the utility copies the HD's MBR and the partition's
boot sector and sets the clone's partition to "active" if that partition
contains the boot files (i.e. boot.ini, ntldr, and ntdetect.com).

When you start up the clone (i.e. load its OS) for the first time, don't
have the source HD visible to it. The easiest way to do that is to
disconnect the source HD before booting the clone. Since the clone
will have the same files and settings as the "parent" OS, the clone
will boot up just as the "parent" OS did if the clone HD is the only HD
connected at boot time, and it will "believe" that it is the "parent" OS -
meaning that if the "parent" called its partition "C:", the clone will
also call its own partition "C:".

After that first startup of the clone, it's OK for the clone to see its
"parent" when it's running, and you can have both HDs connected
when one or the other OS is running. The running OS will call its own
partition "C:" and the other OS's partition something else, perhaps
"D:". This is OK as long as there are no shortcuts in the running OS
which refer to files in other partitions (because the names of the other
partitions will be temporarily changed).

Of course, if both HDs are simultaneously connected, you will have
to have a method to choose which OS boots, and this leads to another
topic - that of multi-booting and editing the boot.ini file. But if that is
more hassle than you want, put the original HD on a mobile rack, too,
after you've cloned it. Then the OS on the HD which is inserted into
the mobile rack will be the one that boots because it will be the only
HD that is connected.

*TimDaniels*
 
Tom said:
Anna,

This sounds like the solution I have been seeking. To verify:

One (and only one) Desktop PC.
One Internal Hard Drive.
One (maybe two) Mobile Rack(s) installed.
One copy of Windows XP installed on the Internal Hard Drive.
The same copy of Windows XP installed on the "Mobile Rack Drive".
Boot from the Internal Hard Drive for, let's say, business activites.
Boot from the "Mobile Rack Drive" for, let's say, family game, photo,
music,
etc., activites.
Only one drive in operation at a time.
Information on the separate drives is completely discrete. So, if I want a
word processing program to operate from each drive, I must install it on
each
drive.

Will I be able to accomplish this with one licensed copy of Windows XP?
Any tips on a quality mobile rack drive manufacturer?
What will I need to do or watch for when I begin installing Windows XP in
this setup? (Not looking for in-depth instructions here, only a point in
the
right direction).

Thanks in advance.


Tom:
I see you've received a response to your latest query from Timothy Daniels,
so I'll try not to be too unduly repetitive (although it's not in my nature
to do so!)

You seem to have a good handle on the points you raised re using removable
HDDs. All the points you raised can be answered in the affirmative, with the
possible exception of the need to install programs, such as the word
processing program you mentioned, separately on each HDD. As I believe Tim
pointed out, using a disk imaging program such as Acronis True Image, to
"clone" the contents of your day-to-day working HDD to another HDD (say, one
that's in the mobile rack you've installed), then that "destination" HDD
would obviously contain the word processing program assuming it was
installed on the source HDD to begin with. So there would be no need to
undertake a separate installation on the destination drive. And, of course,
the same would be true for any application/program that was on the source
HDD. But, of course, if for one reason or another, the "owner of that
removable HDD" desired to add, modify, or delete this or that program,
obviously they would be free to do so. After all, he or she would be the
"owner" of that drive, right?

Some time ago we prepared a rather detailed "treatise" on the use of
removable HDDs so I'm including it here just to give you some additional
background on this most worthy hardware configuration...

Assuming your desktop computer has two available 5 1/4" bays, i.e., vacant
bays that you can utilize, you can equip your computer with one or two
removable hard drives in their mobile racks. By equipping your desktop
computer in this fashion you will, for all practical purposes, be able to
simply and easily maintain a near fail-safe backup system and at the same
time be able to experiment with different programs and configurations with
the full realization that should anything go awry you will be able to return
to your original system and configuration in a near-instant. And accomplish
this from the comfort of your computer chair with no need to get inside your
computer case to make (what can be) complicated cable/power disconnects and
connects. In my view it's close to an ideal system for many, if not most
desktop PC users and I can virtually guarantee that once you begin working
with this arrangement you'll never want to return to the "old" way. It's
that good.

The HDDs are housed in so-called "mobile racks" that fit in the 5 1/4" bays
of a desktop's computer case. The racks themselves are two-part affairs with
the HDD residing in a removable tray that slides in & out of the rack. The
beauty of this arrangement is that the hard drives can easily be accessed
from outside the computer case. Note that these mobile racks are designed
for desktop computers and are not feasible for laptop/notebook machines
because of the latter's size/weight considerations. (Although I have to add
that a very few manufacturers have released notebooks with one internal HDD
and one removable HDD).

So by using a disk imaging program such as Symantec's Norton Ghost or
Acronis True Image or other disk imaging program, the user can routinely
clone the contents of his or her day-to-day working HDD to the second HDD,
thus having a virtual bit-for-bit copy of that working drive. And through
the use of additional removable trays the user is free to create additional
clones on hard drives that they can easily remove from the premises for
near-absolute security.

Then again, one can use separate (limitless!) hard drives for whatever
purposes desired -- installing different operating systems, installing
experimental programs of one sort or another, providing each family member
with his or her own HDD secure in knowledge that each system will be
physically distinct and not impact on any other system. And with additional
removable trays the user can make clones of those drives.

And if and when the day comes when one's HDD goes to "Hard Drive Heaven"
("Hell"?) it's a quick & simple matter to replace that drive with a cloned
HDD, and to do so from the comfort of one's chair without the need to get
inside the computer case.

My preference, if at all possible, is to equip one's desktop PC with two
removable hard drives. However, if the user has only a single 5 1/4" bay
available to house just one mobile rack, he or she can still profitably use
a single removable HDD. In this instance assuming we're working with a fixed
internal HDD as well as a removable HDD and further assuming that PATA and
not SATA HDDs are involved, the fixed internal HDD (presumably the C: drive)
would be configured as Secondary Master while the removable HDD would be
configured as Primary Master. This would allow a boot from the removable HDD
when connected without the need for accessing the system's BIOS. However,
the user could reverse these connections if for one reason or another it was
more practical to do so.

Of course, if the desktop PC was equipped with only a single removable HDD,
i.e., no fixed internal HDD, then that HDD would be obviously connected as
Primary Master.

Most mobile racks are equipped with a simple ON-OFF keylock so that the HDD
contained therein is electrically disconnect from the system when the rack's
keylock is in the OFF position. (For additional safety one could physically
disconnect the removable HDD from the system by a simple pull of the
removable tray's handle. No more difficult than opening a miniature desk
drawer)

Do you see the enormous advantages in this hardware configuration? Now you
can safely "play around" with a wide variety of programs & configurations on
either your day-to-day working HDD or a cloned HDD, confident that if
anything goes awry (even to the extent that your working HDD becomes
physically or electronically defective), you have a perfectly good bootable
clone that is virtually instantly at hand. And you can easily clone back to
your internal HDD (assuming it's non-defective) the contents of the
previously cloned removable HDD.

And with each family member having his or her own HDD, think of the
isolation afforded by that arrangement and its inherent advantage of one
person's system not impacting on another's system.

There are a wide variety of mobile racks available on the market today
ranging in cost from about $25 (all plastic) to $50 and up for the
all-aluminum models. Interestingly enough, in my experience working with
more than a score of different makes & models by & large we've never found
much difference among them either in performance or reliability. Since we're
working nearly exclusively these days with SATA HDDs, we're using mobile
racks designed to house that type of HDD. As of late we've been using the
Athena MR-125 model. It's an all-plastic model that's relatively
inexpensive - about $25 or so. Has a 80 mm fan at the bottom of the rack
which is a nice feature. I know newegg carries it and it's generally
available from a number of online vendors. I think it also comes in a model
designed for PATA HDDs. But there are many, many mobile racks designed for
both PATA & SATA disks. Do a Google search of "mobile racks" to peruse the
many different models that are available.

Installing the rack(s) themselves is a comparatively simple matter. No more
difficult than installing an optical drive.

I can assure you that once you begin working with removable HDDs you'll have
but one regret -- that you hadn't had this hardware configuration on your
current or previous desktop computer(s). The flexibility together with peace
of mind that you gain from this arrangement cannot be overstated.

BTW, with respect to a disk imaging program...

We've been quite taken with the Acronis True Image program which we've been
working with extensively for nearly two years now. You may want to consider
that program (Acronis has a 15-day trial version available) for your disk
cloning needs. I recently posted to this newsgroup step-by-step instructions
for using that program. You may want to take a look at them. The thread was
"Re: XP home backup utility" and my posting was dated 11/18/06.
Anna
 
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