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I'd appreciate any advice...I'm thinking of buying a sytsem with an Athlon 64 3200, 1gb Ram, 120gb HDD and a Radeon 9800 Pro graphics card.

I basically work from home so the computer will take a fair amount of stick, but mainly just word documents, desktop publishing, emails, internet surfing, that sort of thing (and doing a few things at the same time). I also want to play games - good games, new games.

Is the system good enough? And do you recommend anything else that really needs to be considered? Is it reasonably future proof - I wouldn't want to upgrade for at least a couple of years?

Many thanks in advance for any pearls of wisdom.
 
Dear FamingMo,
Please take my one line of advice. BUY A TOP QUALITY MOTHERBOARD. Do not under any life or death circumstances buy a cheap low caste motherboard.A top quality motherboard will allow you to upgrade with better upgrades in the future.I beleive that ASUS are amongst the best companys with respects to the motherboard

Happy Shopping

Regards
PSD99
 
Yo Mo,

That comp should easily last a year, maybe 2 with some upgrades along the way. The HDD is easily enough, that will last forever basicly, the processor is super fast and future proof because is 64 bit. The graphics card is super fast for todays games, but you can garentee it wont be by the end of the year :(. As for the ram, a gig is plenty, you shouldnt need to upgrade for a few years either, but if you do it should be alot cheaper because DDR 2 is lurking round the main stream computer corner :p.

Anyways, tell us how you get on, and if you ever, i mean EVER have a problem, just post on here and either me or chris will try and reply, or if some of the OAP's have remembered there computer genius' they'll help. vbmenu_register("postmenu_23119", true);
 
Guys - thanks very much for your advice already. I appreciate the words about a motherboard - I knew nothing about this. As for other components, I'm not sure. Obviously I want a CD rewrite and at least a DVD Player. As for makes/models/specs - I'm in the dark.

Can I ask, if I went to a well-recommended company (i.e. not Tiny - I've read a few past posts;) ) could I trust that the motherboard and other components would be half decent (I'm thinking Mesh or Evesham), or do I need to insist on particular makes?

PS - that should've been Flaming, BTW, but I missed an L. I'm getting used to life without it though.
 
Well i'm a big fan of Dell, because of there good service, quality components and the beauty of there computers.

I've had 1 for 2 months or more now and it hasnt crashed, froze or gone wrong once :| ! now ive been doing computers for about 6 years and i've never had this before, a computer that hasnt crashed in months!

They use all the major brand parts you can think of, you cna build a computer exact to your specification, and they are very cheap!
 
... but until there’s a 64-bit version of Windows on the market that can take advantage of all this high-speed data, the benefits of 64-bit computing will largely remain untapped. A new 64-bit version of Windows is on the cards for next year or the year after … or a year after that … so buying a 64-bit processor now may future-proof your investment. Bear in mind though, that by the time the operating system is ready, processor speed will inevitably moved on and today’s fast chip will seem rather second rate.
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/article-4654.php

Save yourself some heartache and money ... go for a 3200 Barton 400 (if that be your wish)

I'll go along with the other chaps here and point out that the motherboard is one of the most underrated pieces of equipment in a PC, so much so that I have yet to see ANY brand name manufacture actually TELL you what they are using ... if in doubt, ask them.

MSI motherboards get my vote of confidence :D
 
Personally i wouldnt't reccomend using a company. What you want to do is build your own or if you know anyone that would do it for you, have them do it because you will get the best performance for the best money and you know exactly what is inside that case and exactly what is on on the hard drive when you first get it - preferably nothing!!

If you live anywhere near me i would build you the system you want for cost of components and £25 for labour but the chances of that are pretty slim.

As for the components you want, the processor is good so long as it is coupled with a good motherboard. The best by far in my opinion would be ABIT - you get top performance, all the bundled extras you need (cables, USB expansion brackets) and everything else. The manuals are written well and Abit BIOS's are the best availiable.

As with your RAM, 1Gb will definatly be enough. I play a lot of games (Flight Simulator 2004 mainly which is VERY demanding on resources) and i have only 512Mb and it is ok. 1Gb should mean you wont need to upgrade it, as long as you have 2 512Mb sticks and run it in "Dual Channel Mode" to take advantage of it.

Your HDD should be fine, just make sure that you have SATA ones with a 7200rpm spin speed and 8mb of cache. This is the fastest option availiable unless you want to spend lots on a 10,000rpm Western Digital Raptor which is the fastest SATA hard drive out at the moment. You could also, instead of buying a 120Gb drive, buy 2 seperate SATA 80Gb drives and run them in a RAID (0) array. I am not sure if you are familiar with this but basically it is where the 2 drives share bits of data and while one drive is reading, the other can que up the next bit of file so it is a great enhancement in speed all round - upwards of 30% i think.

Your graphics card is pretty good - the same as mine but alas, its getting on. If you want your machine to be effectivly futureproof, your only option really is to shell out on a Radeon X800 or FX6800 - the new generation cards. They are about double the price of a 9800pro coming in at just under £300 each. The performance increase is m a s s i v e however, look at the picture attached. The 9800 pro strains to run Flight Simulator 2004 at full settings and that is a game released last year so i can guarantee you will have problems with it running new stuff in the future.

You can pick up DVD burners quite cheap now, for around £60 you can get a new generation one that supports dual layer burning - they are able to write to dual layer discs that have massive capacities - nearly 9Gb instead of your normal 4.7Gb

With a system like that you would definatly want a good PSU - for a system like the one you would like, i would not reccomend using a generic PSU at all - it would put too much strain on it. You want one from a manufacturer such as Antec, Globalwin, Zalman, Akasa... Any of the well known brands.

As i said before, always try to stay away from companies, they do cut corners as any member of this forum will tell you.

Hope that explains the majority of things,
Regards,
Chris

P.S Reefsmoka - i have seen DDR2 Benchmarks, they suck. This is because they are very high latency - i think at the mo the best is CAS4 - was reading about the new intel LGA775 which must have DDR2 memory. Its not wise to buy one of them at the mo!
 

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FamingMo/FlamingMo (I'll see if we can get Ian to change that name, if you like):

Other parts to consider:

Motherboard
Case/Power supply
Optical drives (DVD-RW/CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive)
Floppy Drive
Sound Card (if no onboard sound)
Network card (if no onboard LAN and if you're considering network or an external broadband/cable modem)
Mouse
Keyboard
Loudspeaker System
Monitor
Internal 56K Modem if you're going to use Dialup

And maybe a printer and a scanner.

(bet I've forgotten something ;) )

If you're going to buy an 'off the shelf' system, I wouldn't know what to recommend at all, to be honest, but I could recommend seperate parts.

Whether to go 64 bit or not? I don't know. It's true what Mucks says about there being nothing to take advantage of it yet but you could view it as future proofing.

I used to like MSI but after two of their boards going belly up on me within nine months, I've kinda lost confidence in them.

I like Gigabyte and Abit but flavour of the moment appears to be Asus, everyone seems pleased with their boards. I can't comment, as I've never used one.
 
Having read different reviews on 64 bit i think the way to go actually IS 64bit. The 64bit version of the 3200 will perform better than any of its not 64bit relatives because of some newer things incorporated into it - i think hyper transport is one? I also read something about there being more bandwidth availiable for the memory. Having seen benchmarks/comparisons, the 64bit processors are definatly quite good.

Following pictures compiments of Hexus.net Author: Tarinder.

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As you can see, the 3200 version of the 64bit CPU is VERY fast! it outperforms the 3.4GHz Pentium 4 by a fair bit so its an e x t r e m e l y fast chip. I say GO FOR IT!
 
Chris, you can throw all the 3Dmarks you like at me I'm not impressed, but not bad for a 2GHz CPU ... I live in the real world. :D

Most AMD loyalists (myself included) may still be having a hard time thinking about spending that much money on an AMD processor because AMD has deservedly gained a reputation of offering the public one great bargain top-performer after another.

Once people get used to such a trend, it's hard to make them think otherwise.

Another key issue that could be slowing the adoption of these x86-64 processors is the lack of supporting software.

AMD was quite a bit ahead of the pack when it released its AMD64 platform, but people who buy an Athlon 64 processor (or some other AMD64-supporting CPU) could look at it as buying a little bit of obsolescence insurance. But at a price.

I'm a Scotsman, I'll look after your pennies as well as mine. :p
 
Surely a higher 3DMark means higher performance in games though - after all that is one of the things that 'Mo wants to do.

The architecture in AMD chips is amazing - such high performance out of such a low operating frequency.

The price actually isnt bad - Athlon643200 is £200 and the intel equivalent (3.4 northie) is actually £100 MORE! so really, it is a bargain.
 
And an AMD XP3200 2.2Ghz, as good as a Pentium 3Ghz, is about £110.00.

I'd buy a 64 bit CPU and a suitable board if the price came down - and it will.

I'm a little behind on the 64 bit processor field, as I understood it, there were several formats, with different sockets. Did a clear preferred winner ever emerge?
 
christopherpostill said:
Surely a higher 3DMark means higher performance in games though - after all that is one of the things that 'Mo wants to do.
3DMarks mean nothing to me if the "game" cannot use the power of the CPU ... Yes FamingMo want's to play games, If he has the "money" to spare, buy one, all I'm saying (watch my lips) is a 3200 (400) Barton, at half the price, will do the same job.

:rolleyes:
 
Well FlamingMo.

You got so many choices here , take your pic! It is good to hear that you are doing your research and asking your opinons of all these experienced computer builders.

This will definetly help you.
 
Great stuff - I think you've all saved me from an expensive mistake. I think like all relative 'amateurs' I looked at processors and graphics cards etc and didn't have a clue about things like motherboards. I'm now ignoring any systems that don't have a motherboard name I recognise from these posts.

I suppose my advantage over some buyers is that I don'y need a monitor, so I can afford to spend a bit more on other stuff, which was why I was thinking of an Athlon 64. But is it best to spend that little extra on the processor, or updating the graphics card?

And similarly, I could've fallen into traps about the type of memory etc - it all looks great on the adverts in the paper, blinding me with science.

So thanks all for your help. Unfortunately I don't know anyone close who can build one for me, so I'll have to risk a company. But I feel a bit more confident now that I'll end up with what I want, rather than what their salesman wants me to take.
 
FamingMo,
Glad to see we haven't frightened you off with our different opinions ...

... as to your question, it would be better to spend as much as you can on a graphics card that will do the job ... playing the latest games requires a high end card.

Buying a 64bit chip will give you a slight improvement to the system as a whole, but, opting for a "proven" CPU, an XP3200+ Barton will give you that extra cash to buy that "special video card" without impeding the systems performance.

When you think you have found a system, run it by us, and we'll try and steer you in the right direction. Always bear in mind the company you buy from has only one thing on their mind ... profit.
 
looking at the above, i'll wait for the intel 64bit, the P4 3.4 isn't far off the mark and is only 32bit.

we'll see

i'm not rushing into the 64bit market yet. absolutly no point at the moment, as mucks says above, by the time that 64bit is fully support the motherboard will be out of date and will need replacing to take full advantage of 64bit, so why bother at the mo???
 
just let us know which company you are using before you use them too - incase any one has had any real bad experiences having been in the situ. you will be in soon e.g. Gabriella and Microland tech.
 
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