System Restore Points Vanished

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As part of my adventure trying out the beta of the MS Spyware util, I encountered a system shutdown unusual event. Please bear with me while I try to describe what happened.

I was getting a popup error window during the shutdown, right before the screen went blank. It only appeared for about a half-second, and I never could read it but it was relating some kind of initialization error. It did not prevent the shutdown, it was just so quick as to be annoying and useless.

Not knowing any better, though, I thought it might be some kind of shutdown problem (it was actually caused by the beta software, but I had installed a few other apps after that). Foolish me, I went to my WinXP Pro Help and followed the troubleshooting instructions to analyze shutdown problems. The first suggested step was to use msconfig to disable all the system services and restart to try shutting down again to see if that cured it. I did that, no help either as I recall, but then (because using msconfig that way made me nervous) decided that since the problem only started after I installed the MS Spyware software and several other software apps after that, I would just go back to full operation in msconfig and remove that software using the cpl AR function in reverse order to see if it fixed it.

The other software apps (really just addins for MS Office and such) did not do it, so I was left with the spyware app. Here I decided to do a sytem restore to revert completely to the state before I had installed the spyware. Surprisingly, I found that the Sys Restore had lost all my previous restore states except those made on the day I was doing this msconfig stuff. I had had about two weeks or more of daily restore points available prior to using the msconfig disable stuff, I know because I had checked just before I started using msconfig. But all the daily restore points prior to yesterday had vanished with no warning, so I was stuck unable to remove the spyware except by the AR cpl method.

No problem with that, apparently, it did remove most of it except some menu changes I had made, so that is no big deal. And it cured the error window shutdown problem. What I would desperately like to know is if there is a way to somehow "restore" my vanished restore points. I have been using SysRes since WMe, and never had it act this way. It would always just drop the oldest restore point when a new on was added mostly. HDD space is definitely not the problem, and I have the SysRes app set to use the full 10% or whatever allocation, whcih it is nowhere close to.

So are my previous restore states forever gone, or is this sudden toss of old restore states into a trashcan wholesale some new revision of the way Sys Res operates in WinXP Pro? Or was it the msconfig disable of sevices that did the dirty work, if so it ought to be publicised?

Anybody know what happened?

Oh, and BTW my suggestion is to forget about the MS Spyware beta, it is not updated with new attacks being used and it causes many system error problems. I posted that opinion in the spyware beta forum.
 
When Restore Points are gone, they ARE gone. Many here will agree that installing a beta on your main system is not something that one should do, especially if one does not have an image of the hard drive to restore.
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As part of my adventure trying out the beta of the MS Spyware util, I encountered a system shutdown unusual event. Please bear with me while I try to describe what happened.

I was getting a popup error window during the shutdown, right before the screen went blank. It only appeared for about a half-second, and I never could read it but it was relating some kind of initialization error. It did not prevent the shutdown, it was just so quick as to be annoying and useless.

Not knowing any better, though, I thought it might be some kind of shutdown problem (it was actually caused by the beta software, but I had installed a few other apps after that). Foolish me, I went to my WinXP Pro Help and followed the troubleshooting instructions to analyze shutdown problems. The first suggested step was to use msconfig to disable all the system services and restart to try shutting down again to see if that cured it. I did that, no help either as I recall, but then (because using msconfig that way made me nervous) decided that since the problem only started after I installed the MS Spyware software and several other software apps after that, I would just go back to full operation in msconfig and remove that software using the cpl AR function in reverse order to see if it fixed it.

The other software apps (really just addins for MS Office and such) did not do it, so I was left with the spyware app. Here I decided to do a sytem restore to revert completely to the state before I had installed the spyware. Surprisingly, I found that the Sys Restore had lost all my previous restore states except those made on the day I was doing this msconfig stuff. I had had about two weeks or more of daily restore points available prior to using the msconfig disable stuff, I know because I had checked just before I started using msconfig. But all the daily restore points prior to yesterday had vanished with no warning, so I was stuck unable to remove the spyware except by the AR cpl method.

No problem with that, apparently, it did remove most of it except some menu changes I had made, so that is no big deal. And it cured the error window shutdown problem. What I would desperately like to know is if there is a way to somehow "restore" my vanished restore points. I have been using SysRes since WMe, and never had it act this way. It would always just drop the oldest restore point when a new on was added mostly. HDD space is definitely not the problem, and I have the SysRes app set to use the full 10% or whatever allocation, whcih it is nowhere close to.

So are my previous restore states forever gone, or is this sudden toss of old restore states into a trashcan wholesale some new revision of the way Sys Res operates in WinXP Pro? Or was it the msconfig disable of sevices that did the dirty work, if so it ought to be publicised?

Anybody know what happened?

Oh, and BTW my suggestion is to forget about the MS Spyware beta, it is not updated with new attacks being used and it causes many system error problems. I posted that opinion in the spyware beta forum.
 
OK well, I guess I am out of luck on that. I do have an image, but it is about three weeks old and thus would really hurt me to use (my own damned fault, I just bought Acronis to back up stuff and it is super for that). It was just that they seemd to vanish in an instant for nor reason other than my use of msconfig, is all.

I will not be devastated because I do not really need the old restore states, I guess I can just get along without them. I agree about trying beta stuff on my main system, but that is also my only system, I am a one-person show here, not on a network. This is not my biggest problem at the moment, just an annoyance more than anything else, but I could resolve my other much more serious IEx problem if I could get those restore states back somehow.

Live and learn, I suppose. Thanks.

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When Restore Points are gone, they ARE gone. Many here will agree that installing a beta on your main system is not something that one should do, especially if one does not have an image of the hard drive to restore.
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As part of my adventure trying out the beta of the MS Spyware util, I encountered a system shutdown unusual event. Please bear with me while I try to describe what happened.

I was getting a popup error window during the shutdown, right before the screen went blank. It only appeared for about a half-second, and I never could read it but it was relating some kind of initialization error. It did not prevent the shutdown, it was just so quick as to be annoying and useless.

Not knowing any better, though, I thought it might be some kind of shutdown problem (it was actually caused by the beta software, but I had installed a few other apps after that). Foolish me, I went to my WinXP Pro Help and followed the troubleshooting instructions to analyze shutdown problems. The first suggested step was to use msconfig to disable all the system services and restart to try shutting down again to see if that cured it. I did that, no help either as I recall, but then (because using msconfig that way made me nervous) decided that since the problem only started after I installed the MS Spyware software and several other software apps after that, I would just go back to full operation in msconfig and remove that software using the cpl AR function in reverse order to see if it fixed it.

The other software apps (really just addins for MS Office and such) did not do it, so I was left with the spyware app. Here I decided to do a sytem restore to revert completely to the state before I had installed the spyware. Surprisingly, I found that the Sys Restore had lost all my previous restore states except those made on the day I was doing this msconfig stuff. I had had about two weeks or more of daily restore points available prior to using the msconfig disable stuff, I know because I had checked just before I started using msconfig. But all the daily restore points prior to yesterday had vanished with no warning, so I was stuck unable to remove the spyware except by the AR cpl method.

No problem with that, apparently, it did remove most of it except some menu changes I had made, so that is no big deal. And it cured the error window shutdown problem. What I would desperately like to know is if there is a way to somehow "restore" my vanished restore points. I have been using SysRes since WMe, and never had it act this way. It would always just drop the oldest restore point when a new on was added mostly. HDD space is definitely not the problem, and I have the SysRes app set to use the full 10% or whatever allocation, whcih it is nowhere close to.

So are my previous restore states forever gone, or is this sudden toss of old restore states into a trashcan wholesale some new revision of the way Sys Res operates in WinXP Pro? Or was it the msconfig disable of sevices that did the dirty work, if so it ought to be publicised?

Anybody know what happened?

Oh, and BTW my suggestion is to forget about the MS Spyware beta, it is not updated with new attacks being used and it causes many system error problems. I posted that opinion in the spyware beta forum.
 
Pete said:
As part of my adventure trying out the beta of the MS Spyware util, I encountered a system shutdown unusual event. Please bear with me while I try to describe what happened.

I was getting a popup error window during the shutdown, right before the screen went blank. It only appeared for about a half-second, and I never could read it but it was relating some kind of initialization error. It did not prevent the shutdown, it was just so quick as to be annoying and useless.

Not knowing any better, though, I thought it might be some kind of shutdown problem (it was actually caused by the beta software, but I had installed a few other apps after that). Foolish me, I went to my WinXP Pro Help and followed the troubleshooting instructions to analyze shutdown problems. The first suggested step was to use msconfig to disable all the system services and restart to try shutting down again to see if that cured it. I did that, no help either as I recall, but then (because using msconfig that way made me nervous) decided that since the problem only started after I installed the MS Spyware software and several other software apps after that, I would just go back to full operation in msconfig and remove that software using the cpl AR function in reverse order to see if it fixed it.

The other software apps (really just addins for MS Office and such) did not do it, so I was left with the spyware app. Here I decided to do a sytem restore to revert completely to the state before I had installed the spyware. Surprisingly, I found that the Sys Restore had lost all my previous restore states except those made on the day I was doing this msconfig stuff. I had had about two weeks or more of daily restore points available prior to using the msconfig disable stuff, I know because I had checked just before I started using msconfig. But all the daily restore points prior to yesterday had vanished with no warning, so I was stuck unable to remove the spyware except by the AR cpl method.

No problem with that, apparently, it did remove most of it except some menu changes I had made, so that is no big deal. And it cured the error window shutdown problem. What I would desperately like to know is if there is a way to somehow "restore" my vanished restore points. I have been using SysRes since WMe, and never had it act this way. It would always just drop the oldest restore point when a new on was added mostly. HDD space is definitely not the problem, and I have the SysRes app set to use the full 10% or whatever allocation, whcih it is nowhere close to.

So are my previous restore states forever gone, or is this sudden toss of old restore states into a trashcan wholesale some new revision of the way Sys Res operates in WinXP Pro? Or was it the msconfig disable of sevices that did the dirty work, if so it ought to be publicised?

Anybody know what happened?

Oh, and BTW my suggestion is to forget about the MS Spyware beta, it is not updated with new attacks being used and it causes many system error problems. I posted that opinion in the spyware beta forum.

Turning off system restore deletes all restore points, as would, I
believe, disabling the system restore service which can be done from
msconfig. Once they are gone they can't be recovered.
 
OK thanks, Rock, Plato. I was unaware that shutting down the System Services would do the deletion (BTW I did not get any error message such as is outlined in the KB article that Plato directed me to). The WinXP Help file should have mentioned that fact, if it had I never would have done that. I knew it would shut down Sys Restore, but I did not think doing that would also delete old restore points, seems to me that should not be so.

Since the files themselves are still there, I wish there were a way to undo the delete, though.
 
Hi Pete,

As far as System Restore goes, here are some troubleshooting tips.

Missing Restore Points
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/missingrps.html

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Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org

"Pete B" wrote
As part of my adventure trying out the beta of the MS Spyware util, I
encountered a system shutdown unusual event. Please bear with me while
I try to describe what happened.

I was getting a popup error window during the shutdown, right before the
screen went blank. It only appeared for about a half-second, and I
never could read it but it was relating some kind of initialization
error. It did not prevent the shutdown, it was just so quick as to be
annoying and useless.

Not knowing any better, though, I thought it might be some kind of
shutdown problem (it was actually caused by the beta software, but I had
installed a few other apps after that). Foolish me, I went to my WinXP
Pro Help and followed the troubleshooting instructions to analyze
shutdown problems. The first suggested step was to use msconfig to
disable all the system services and restart to try shutting down again
to see if that cured it. I did that, no help either as I recall, but
then (because using msconfig that way made me nervous) decided that
since the problem only started after I installed the MS Spyware software
and several other software apps after that, I would just go back to full
operation in msconfig and remove that software using the cpl AR function
in reverse order to see if it fixed it.

The other software apps (really just addins for MS Office and such) did
not do it, so I was left with the spyware app. Here I decided to do a
sytem restore to revert completely to the state before I had installed
the spyware. Surprisingly, I found that the Sys Restore had lost all my
previous restore states except those made on the day I was doing this
msconfig stuff. I had had about two weeks or more of daily restore
points available prior to using the msconfig disable stuff, I know
because I had checked just before I started using msconfig. But all the
daily restore points prior to yesterday had vanished with no warning, so
I was stuck unable to remove the spyware except by the AR cpl method.

No problem with that, apparently, it did remove most of it except some
menu changes I had made, so that is no big deal. And it cured the error
window shutdown problem. What I would desperately like to know is if
there is a way to somehow "restore" my vanished restore points. I have
been using SysRes since WMe, and never had it act this way. It would
always just drop the oldest restore point when a new on was added
mostly. HDD space is definitely not the problem, and I have the SysRes
app set to use the full 10% or whatever allocation, whcih it is nowhere
close to.

So are my previous restore states forever gone, or is this sudden toss
of old restore states into a trashcan wholesale some new revision of the
way Sys Res operates in WinXP Pro? Or was it the msconfig disable of
sevices that did the dirty work, if so it ought to be publicised?

Anybody know what happened?

Oh, and BTW my suggestion is to forget about the MS Spyware beta, it is
not updated with new attacks being used and it causes many system error
problems. I posted that opinion in the spyware beta forum.
 
Pete said:
OK thanks, Rock, Plato. I was unaware that shutting down the System Services would do the deletion (BTW I did not get any error message such as is outlined in the KB article that Plato directed me to). The WinXP Help file should have mentioned that fact, if it had I never would have done that. I knew it would shut down Sys Restore, but I did not think doing that would also delete old restore points, seems to me that should not be so.

Since the files themselves are still there, I wish there were a way to undo the delete, though.

You're welcome.
 

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