Suggestion how to stop FrontPage 2003 from deleting my code?

  • Thread starter Thread starter George Hester
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Hi George,

Contact MS. There seems to be more and more reports of FP 2003 changing or removing code since the last SP.

--
Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97-'02
J-Bots 2004 Released Special Pricing
http://www.websunlimited.com
FrontPage Add-ins Since '97 FP 2003 / 2002 / 2000 Compatible

On this page:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/vml/ref/basic1.asp

you will see the statement that:

The rendering behavior must be part of the document's style:
<STYLE>
v\:* { behavior: url(#default#vml); }
</STYLE>

Do nothing else but this in a new Microsoft FrontPage 2003 html page. Save it. The code above will disappear. Any suggestions how
to stop Microsoft FrontPage 2003 from doing this? Thanks.
 
Well I haven't installed the latest SP for Microsoft Office 2003. Don't plan on it. But what I showed you is a very small effect of what Microsoft FrontPage 2003 does to VML:. It is nasty. VML cannot be scripted if Microsoft FrontPage 2003 is used to save any html file with VML in it. If you try you will not only screw up the page but you will also screw up the folder it lies in. That is because of the _vti_cnf folder that is made when Microsoft FrontPage 2003 accesses any file in the folder. The only way to fix the site is to delete the _vti_cnf folder shut down Microsoft FrontPage 2003 and then restart. A good example of this is to make the scripting here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/vml/shape/data/vmlom.asp?frame=true

VML Sample. Make this in Notepad. It will work just fine. Now open the page in Microsoft FrontPage 2003 safve it and you will get a lot of garbage and the VML the page itself will no longer work ever again. It's all screwed up. You must remove all the garbage delete the _vti_cnf folder anf restart Microsoft FrontPage 2003 and whatever you do do NOT let Microsoft FrontPage 2003 touch any file with VML in it in that folder or you'll be down this nasty road again.

It turns out that Microsoft Office 2003 is supposed to be able to use the Microsoft Schema. But in fact it garbologizes most of what it claims it can do. This is just a small example.
 
Tried the sample as per your directions, FP2003, no SP installed. No
problems.

Ron
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Well I haven't installed the latest SP for Microsoft Office 2003. Don't
plan on it. But what I showed you is a very small effect of what Microsoft
FrontPage 2003 does to VML:. It is nasty. VML cannot be scripted if
Microsoft FrontPage 2003 is used to save any html file with VML in it. If
you try you will not only screw up the page but you will also screw up the
folder it lies in. That is because of the _vti_cnf folder that is made when
Microsoft FrontPage 2003 accesses any file in the folder. The only way to
fix the site is to delete the _vti_cnf folder shut down Microsoft FrontPage
2003 and then restart. A good example of this is to make the scripting
here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/vml/shape/data/vmlom.asp?frame=true

VML Sample. Make this in Notepad. It will work just fine. Now open the
page in Microsoft FrontPage 2003 safve it and you will get a lot of garbage
and the VML the page itself will no longer work ever again. It's all
screwed up. You must remove all the garbage delete the _vti_cnf folder anf
restart Microsoft FrontPage 2003 and whatever you do do NOT let Microsoft
FrontPage 2003 touch any file with VML in it in that folder or you'll be
down this nasty road again.

It turns out that Microsoft Office 2003 is supposed to be able to use the
Microsoft Schema. But in fact it garbologizes most of what it claims it can
do. This is just a small example.

--
George Hester
__________________________________
MD Websunlimited said:
Hi George,

Contact MS. There seems to be more and more reports of FP 2003 changing or
Click to expand...
removing code since the last SP.
--
Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97-'02
J-Bots 2004 Released Special Pricing
http://www.websunlimited.com
FrontPage Add-ins Since '97 FP 2003 / 2002 / 2000 Compatible

On this page:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/vml/ref/basic1.asp

you will see the statement that:

The rendering behavior must be part of the document's style:
<STYLE>
v\:* { behavior: url(#default#vml); }
</STYLE>

Do nothing else but this in a new Microsoft FrontPage 2003 html page.
Click to expand...
Save it. The code above will disappear. Any suggestions how
 
It must be a local problem. It works fine in FP.
If you screw up the _vti_cnf folder you certainly have a problem.
Try scanning for virus.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: George Hester [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. september 2004 06:06
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Suggestion how to stop FrontPage 2003 from
deleting my code?
Subject: Re: Suggestion how to stop FrontPage 2003 from
deleting my code?


Well I haven't installed the latest SP for Microsoft Office
2003. Don't plan on it. But what I showed you is a very
small effect of what Microsoft FrontPage 2003 does to VML:.
It is nasty. VML cannot be scripted if Microsoft FrontPage
2003 is used to save any html file with VML in it. If you
try you will not only screw up the page but you will also
screw up the folder it lies in. That is because of the
_vti_cnf folder that is made when Microsoft FrontPage 2003
accesses any file in the folder. The only way to fix the
site is to delete the _vti_cnf folder shut down Microsoft
FrontPage 2003 and then restart. A good example of this is
to make the scripting here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/vml/shape/data/vmlom
.asp?frame=true

VML Sample. Make this in Notepad. It will work just fine.
Now open the page in Microsoft FrontPage 2003 safve it and
you will get a lot of garbage and the VML the page itself
will no longer work ever again. It's all screwed up. You
must remove all the garbage delete the _vti_cnf folder anf
restart Microsoft FrontPage 2003 and whatever you do do NOT
let Microsoft FrontPage 2003 touch any file with VML in it in
that folder or you'll be down this nasty road again.

It turns out that Microsoft Office 2003 is supposed to be
able to use the Microsoft Schema. But in fact it
garbologizes most of what it claims it can do. This is just
a small example.

--
George Hester
__________________________________
MD Websunlimited said:
Hi George,

Contact MS. There seems to be more and more reports of FP
Click to expand...
2003 changing or removing code since the last SP.
--
Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97-'02
J-Bots 2004 Released Special Pricing
http://www.websunlimited.com
FrontPage Add-ins Since '97 FP 2003 / 2002 / 2000 Compatible

On this page:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/vml
/ref/basic1.asp

you will see the statement that:

The rendering behavior must be part of the document's style:
<STYLE>
v\:* { behavior: url(#default#vml); }
</STYLE>

Do nothing else but this in a new Microsoft FrontPage 2003 html page.
Save it. The code above will disappear. Any suggestions
Click to expand...
how to stop Microsoft FrontPage 2003 from doing this? Thanks.
Click to expand...
 
Wel I tried to make a simple example and I cannot get it to reproduce the issue. In a ASP I had that had quite a lot of stuff in it including a htc I kept getting an error that was well crap. I suppose you think I am smoking something and I spz you can think what you want. All I know is the page didn't work, I removed the _vti_cnf folder closed anb restarted MSFP 2003, and ran the page. And all was well. Did nothing to the code. I had a:

alert(id.outerHTML); which kept failing. Did what I said above and no error. Before I kept getting a scripting error that "this attribute can only be used on a v:arc element." The attribute was id.

I am sure I can mimic it again for I'll be coming back to it this weekend. Maybe then I can give a more definite procedure to see the issue. MSFP kept removing this when I saved the file:

v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }

and it's not doing it now.

--
George Hester
__________________________________
Jens Peter Karlsen said:
It must be a local problem. It works fine in FP.
If you screw up the _vti_cnf folder you certainly have a problem.
Try scanning for virus.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.
-----Original Message-----
From: George Hester [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: 23. september 2004 06:06
Posted To: microsoft.public.frontpage.client
Conversation: Suggestion how to stop FrontPage 2003 from
deleting my code?
Subject: Re: Suggestion how to stop FrontPage 2003 from
deleting my code?


Well I haven't installed the latest SP for Microsoft Office
2003. Don't plan on it. But what I showed you is a very
small effect of what Microsoft FrontPage 2003 does to VML:.
It is nasty. VML cannot be scripted if Microsoft FrontPage
2003 is used to save any html file with VML in it. If you
try you will not only screw up the page but you will also
screw up the folder it lies in. That is because of the
_vti_cnf folder that is made when Microsoft FrontPage 2003
accesses any file in the folder. The only way to fix the
site is to delete the _vti_cnf folder shut down Microsoft
FrontPage 2003 and then restart. A good example of this is
to make the scripting here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/vml/shape/data/vmlom
.asp?frame=true

VML Sample. Make this in Notepad. It will work just fine.
Now open the page in Microsoft FrontPage 2003 safve it and
you will get a lot of garbage and the VML the page itself
will no longer work ever again. It's all screwed up. You
must remove all the garbage delete the _vti_cnf folder anf
restart Microsoft FrontPage 2003 and whatever you do do NOT
let Microsoft FrontPage 2003 touch any file with VML in it in
that folder or you'll be down this nasty road again.

It turns out that Microsoft Office 2003 is supposed to be
able to use the Microsoft Schema. But in fact it
garbologizes most of what it claims it can do. This is just
a small example.

--
George Hester
__________________________________
MD Websunlimited said:
Hi George,

Contact MS. There seems to be more and more reports of FP
Click to expand...
2003 changing or removing code since the last SP.
--
Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97-'02
J-Bots 2004 Released Special Pricing
http://www.websunlimited.com
FrontPage Add-ins Since '97 FP 2003 / 2002 / 2000 Compatible

On this page:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/vml
/ref/basic1.asp

you will see the statement that:

The rendering behavior must be part of the document's style:
<STYLE>
v\:* { behavior: url(#default#vml); }
</STYLE>

Do nothing else but this in a new Microsoft FrontPage 2003 html page.
Save it. The code above will disappear. Any suggestions
Click to expand...
how to stop Microsoft FrontPage 2003 from doing this? Thanks.
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