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CJ Taylor

So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...

anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool you
could ever want?

I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with roles
and what not.

Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored
procedures)....

Controls of intersest...

Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
Login*.* =)

Master pages *greatest feature ever*

Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)

Profile

Membership

and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)

The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..
Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on the
planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out with
tools (as well priced too!)

Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...

-CJ
 
Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I completely
agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to
work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics, you'll
love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing
 
Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are
defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my
stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly
typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt'
really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years
for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago
on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't
quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ
 
Hello,

Is there a link to get the beta version without a MSDN subscription?
Thanks.

Jake

Brian Henry said:
I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++


CJ Taylor said:
Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer
but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are
defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my
stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly
typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt'
really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved
me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even
down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years
for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago
on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't
quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ


"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I completely
agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see
are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to
work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics, you'll
love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...

anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool you
could ever want?

I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with roles
and what not.

Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored
procedures)....

Controls of intersest...

Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
Login*.* =)

Master pages *greatest feature ever*

Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)

Profile

Membership

and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)

The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..
Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on
the
planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out
with
tools (as well priced too!)

Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...

-CJ
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Either you can get the express versions for download or you can order the
beta CDs which are free - only shipping charges (around $5 to $10 depending
on the country).

download express editions:
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/

beta CDs:
for americas and asian countries:
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/get/order/default.aspx

for europe, middle east and africa:
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/get/emeaorder/default.aspx

Imran

Jake said:
Hello,

Is there a link to get the beta version without a MSDN subscription?
Thanks.

Jake

Brian Henry said:
I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++


CJ Taylor said:
Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer
but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are
defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my
stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly
typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt'
really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved
me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even
down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years
for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago
on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't
quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ


"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I
completely
agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see
are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to
work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics,
you'll
love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...

anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool
you
could ever want?

I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with
roles
and what not.

Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored
procedures)....

Controls of intersest...

Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
Login*.* =)

Master pages *greatest feature ever*

Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)

Profile

Membership

and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)

The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..
Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on
the
planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out
with
tools (as well priced too!)

Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...

-CJ
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Generics allow you to provide better compile-time validation when defining
and using the types and methods required to handle unrelated types. Generics
also help improve performance in some scenarios. Visual Basic 2005 supports
both the creation and consumption of generics.
If you search the help you will find more info.


--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me


Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

Brian Henry said:
I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++


CJ Taylor said:
Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer
but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are
defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my
stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly
typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt'
really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved
me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even
down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years
for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago
on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't
quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ


"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I completely
agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see
are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to
work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics, you'll
love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...

anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool you
could ever want?

I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with roles
and what not.

Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored
procedures)....

Controls of intersest...

Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
Login*.* =)

Master pages *greatest feature ever*

Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)

Profile

Membership

and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)

The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..
Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on
the
planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out
with
tools (as well priced too!)

Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...

-CJ
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Could you give an example. sorry
-CJ

One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns ) said:
Generics allow you to provide better compile-time validation when defining
and using the types and methods required to handle unrelated types. Generics
also help improve performance in some scenarios. Visual Basic 2005 supports
both the creation and consumption of generics.
If you search the help you will find more info.


--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me


Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

Brian Henry said:
I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++


CJ Taylor said:
Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer
but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are
defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my
stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly
typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt'
really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved
me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even
down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years
for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3 months ago
on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't
quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ


"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I
completely
agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see
are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so easy to
work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up Generics,
you'll
love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...

anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool
you
could ever want?

I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with
roles
and what not.

Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored
procedures)....

Controls of intersest...

Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
Login*.* =)

Master pages *greatest feature ever*

Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)

Profile

Membership

and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)

The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..
Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on
the
planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out
with
tools (as well priced too!)

Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...

-CJ
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CJ,
You can use Generics for generalized containers.

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/libra.../html/T_System_Collections_Generic_Collection`1.asp

You can use Generics for simplified functions

Public Function IIf(Of T)(ByVal expression As Boolean, _
ByVal truePart As T, ByVal falsePart As T) As T
If expression Then
Return truePart
Else
Return falsePart
End If
End Function

You can use the above IIf in Whidbey with Option strict On, without needing
to cast the return value.

Or you can use Generics for generalized objects, such as a generic Range
object

http://martinfowler.com/ap2/range.html

I don't have my VB.NET generic range object code handy, I will try to post
it next week.

Hope this helps
Jay

CJ Taylor said:
Could you give an example. sorry
-CJ

"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
Generics allow you to provide better compile-time validation when
defining
and using the types and methods required to handle unrelated types. Generics
also help improve performance in some scenarios. Visual Basic 2005 supports
both the creation and consumption of generics.
If you search the help you will find more info.


--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me


Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

Brian Henry said:
I believe Generics are what they call Template classes in C++


"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
Hey Terry,

Are you referring to how they do datasets now? Where you use a designer
but
its not like your typical XSD (where now you have like queries that are
defined in the dataset???)

That threw me off a lot to.. I don't really use those, I just rely on my
stored procedures. I was worried that I wouldn't have anything strongly
typed and that would mess me up. Well, when you don't have to code
anything
with data anymore really (in most cases this is a good thing) it didnt'
really matter. I admit, I love the UI doing all the work for me... Saved
me
so much time.

The profiling features are great. I am in love with the security (even
down
to the encryption.) And Master pages... I've been waiting 8 friggin years
for functionality like that.. =)

What is a generic? I was reading an article about them about 3
months ago
on WindowsForms talking about how VS2005 would support them, but I didn't
quite understand what they were.

Any info?

Thanks,
CJ


"One Handed Man ( OHM - Terry Burns )" <news.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
Ive been working with VS2005 Beta1 for the last six weeks, and I
completely
agree with you, the only thing that is a bit weird as far as I can see
are
DataComponents, apart from that it;s really cool. I especially like the
Personalisation and Membership features, and the WebParts are so
easy to
work with, and you also get themes to boot.

Yep, I really like it. While your playing with it, look up
Generics,
you'll
love them as they can speed up sorting in collections by a factor of 10

--

OHM ( Terry Burns )
. . . One-Handed-Man . . .
If U Need My Email ,Ask Me

Time flies when you don't know what you're doing

"CJ Taylor" <[cege] at [tavayn] dit commmmm> wrote in message
So yeah... finally started playing with Whidbey full on this weekend...

anyone else notice that Web Developer gave you pretty much every tool
you
could ever want?

I prototyped an entire data driven web site in 14 hours...yeah, with
roles
and what not.

Oh.. and then I only needed to write 4 lines of code (excluding stored
procedures)....

Controls of intersest...

Login View *NICE!* and *FINALLY!*
Login*.* =)

Master pages *greatest feature ever*

Provider Data model for ADO.NET (Take that C1!)

Profile

Membership

and of course Class Designer (WhiteHorse?)

The list just goes on... I am more than impressed with this software..
Sure.. its off topic.. but what the hell, I think every developer on
the
planet should have something like this... You don't see Sun coming out
with
tools (as well priced too!)

Ok enough of my rant.. if you haven't checked out Whidbey yet, do it...

-CJ
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