session advice

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hey all,

i'm trying to make my app as stateless as possible. is it ok to create a
dataset and store in viewstate and whenever the user decides to select a from
that dataset, to move from viewstate, to session, and on the details page
back to viewstate. Or does that sound like too much work?

thanks,
ari
 
Do you have any reference material (good articles) where I can correctly
accomplish this. As you can see I'm very new.
 
Sessions seem to be a mystery and very easy to break.

A mystery is only a mystery until it is understood. There is nothing really
mysterious about Session at all. Perhaps I can clear up the mystery for you.

ASP.Net runs in the context of HTTP messaging, generally between a browser
client and a web server. HTTP is stateless. This means that there is no
state between requests. The server receives a request for a resource (an
ASP.Net page), processes the request, and sends the response. It immediately
forgets everything it has just done. The browser loads one HTML document
into memory at a time, and forgets the last document that was loaded upon
reloading. The only memory on the browser side is the history of the URLs it
has visited, the cached documents it stores on the machine, and text
cookies, which are stored by domain.

ASP.net is an ISAPI (Internet Server Application Programming Interface)
application that runs on the web server. An application has memory for the
lifetime of the application. This is very important. The ASP.net application
is started with the first request for an ASP.Net page in that application,
and lives until either the application is restarted, or until 20 minutes (by
default) after the last request it receives. So, for this length of time, a
memory space exists on the server in which an individual ASP.Net application
can store and retrieve data. Hence, ASP.Net has an Application collection
and an Application cache that can be used to store Application-wide scoped
data.

When a Request for a resource is recieved on the server, the browser sends
headers with the Request. These headers contain helpful information for the
server, including the IP address (the "return address") of the client that
made the Request, as well as any Cookies that the browser may hold for that
domain or application. So, the ASP.Net ISAPI has event handlers that fire,
for example, the first time it receives a request from a browser it doesn't
have a Session yet for. If the browser doesn't send a Session Cookie, the
ASP.net ISAPI creates a memory cache called "Session" that belongs to that
client browser. It also sends a Session Cookie ("Session Cookie" is a term
that means a Cookie that is not stored in the file system of the client
machine, but lasts for the time that the browser is requesting documents
from the same domain) to the browser. The Session Cookie is a unique
identifier that identifies which server Session belongs to that client.

By this mechanism, the ASP.Net application creates its own form of
Session-specific state, a memory space that can be used across separate Page
Requests, and lasts for the lifetime of the client Session.

Now, how does the ASP.Net ISAPI know when the Session has ended? This is a
good question, since every Request happens "in a vacuum." The browser has no
way of knowing which page the user browses to will be the last page visited.
It can't tell the server therefore. So, the Session has a timer, which by
default is set to 20 minutes. Every time the browser sends another Request,
the timer is reset to 0. If it reaches 20 minutes, the Session memory for
that client is cleared up, ending the Session on the server.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.
 
how would a stateless environment handle the following scenario:
the user enters in search criteria,
the user is presented with a datagrid of records,
the user selects page 10 and selects a record,
after the user views/modify the record closes the record.

how do you return the user back to page 10 with
the same datagrid of records?

thanks,
ari
 
Then why does Win2003 Server and IIS 6 suddenly recycle Sessions,
invalidate view state and totally screw up my application? It didn't do
this before. Some service pack seems to have broken it. Reporting
Services is even hosed, even after an uninstall/reinstall round. And,
of course, the client is all pissed as hell.
 
ari said:
how would a stateless environment handle the following scenario:
the user enters in search criteria,
the user is presented with a datagrid of records,
the user selects page 10 and selects a record,
after the user views/modify the record closes the record.

how do you return the user back to page 10 with
the same datagrid of records?

ari,

An algorithm must exist that will get results 90 through 100. so if by
modify, you mean delete, you have a case where the records on page 10
can never be the same. However, the ASP.NET applicaiton can store the
state between requests in the session so that you can write your
application to remember what datagrid a client was looking at and which
page it was. That page will go get the records 90 through 100-- which
ever records that happens to be. This is a common problem, so Microsoft
made ASP.NET pretty much take care of that for the developer.

-dt
 
The view state issue surprises me. As long as
your machine key is valid across the farm, you should
be in good shape.

In Windows 2003 Server IIS 6, your app is being recycled
periodically. InProc session runs "in process". If you want
to avoid this altogether, you'll need to implement StateServer
on your local server or go with SQL Server Session State
management.

Read more:

http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/20021016.asp

--
2004 and 2005 Microsoft MVP C#
Robbe Morris
http://www.masterado.net

Earn $$$ money answering .NET Framework
messageboard posts at EggHeadCafe.com.
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/forums/merit.asp
 

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