Screen resolution - opinions

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Hi all,

I think many designers use 800x600 as a basis for designing forms, but would
it be so bad to use 1024x768? Granted, you want your user base to be as
large as possible, but is it worth it to give up precious screen real estate
that will allow an app to be so much more useful? Are there a good amount of
people still on 800x600? And if so, wouldn't they have to be used to doing a
boatload of scrolling already? There are plenty of websites that use
1024x768 as well as some apps.

What are your thoughts, MS Community?

Aaron G
Philadelphia, PA
 
800 x 600 is safe.

If you are developing for a specific market/client, you could contact them
and find out what their min res is. That would be the only safe way to
specify 1024 x 768. (One of my clients recently responded to the question
with, "Well, we will make it our min res if it's better.)
 
Aaron said:
Hi all,

I think many designers use 800x600 as a basis for designing forms,
but would it be so bad to use 1024x768? Granted, you want your user
base to be as large as possible, but is it worth it to give up
precious screen real estate that will allow an app to be so much more
useful? Are there a good amount of people still on 800x600? And if
so, wouldn't they have to be used to doing a boatload of scrolling
already? There are plenty of websites that use 1024x768 as well as
some apps.

What are your thoughts, MS Community?

Aaron G
Philadelphia, PA

We have certainly talked about making 1024 by 768 our corporate standard but
so far haven't done anything about it.

It certainly is true that whenever I see a screen shot of some app's
"impressive" form it is almost always a form that couldn't be done nearly as
well at 800 by 600 so I do consider 800 by 600 pretty much like having one
hand tied behind my back.

As a compromise I have recently modfied many of my forms so that they can be
resized by the user and a few strategic controls grow and shrink along with
the form to provide some of the benefits of building a form at a higher
resolution without "breaking" the app for lower resolutions. Usually this
involves showing more rows in the continuous subform on the form as it is
resized. In other cases where there are large TextBoxes for memo fields I
resize those as the form is resized.

That still doesn't provide the "elbow room" that just designing for a higher
resolution would provide, but it is an improvement.
 
Aaron G said:
Hi all,

I think many designers use 800x600 as a basis for designing forms, but would
it be so bad to use 1024x768? Granted, you want your user base to be as
large as possible, but is it worth it to give up precious screen real estate
that will allow an app to be so much more useful? Are there a good amount of
people still on 800x600? And if so, wouldn't they have to be used to doing a
boatload of scrolling already? There are plenty of websites that use
1024x768 as well as some apps.

What are your thoughts, MS Community?

Aaron G
Philadelphia, PA

If I know who my target users are, I simply tell them that the forms will be
designed for 1024x768, so if they've got any horrible old 14" or 15"
monitors, now is a good time to replace them! However, if I'm doing
something more generic, it has to be 800x600, which is a real pain.
 
Baz said:
If I know who my target users are, I simply tell them that the forms
will be designed for 1024x768, so if they've got any horrible old 14"
or 15" monitors, now is a good time to replace them! However, if I'm
doing something more generic, it has to be 800x600, which is a real
pain.

Heck, we have users with 17 inch monitors that still use 800 by 600.
 
Baz,

What do you typically find is the response when you tell people the
resolution has to be at least 1024x768? Do you find people are happy to
upgrade, or do they grumble?

Aaron G
Philadelphia, PA
 
Aaron G said:
Baz,

What do you typically find is the response when you tell people the
resolution has to be at least 1024x768? Do you find people are happy to
upgrade, or do they grumble?

Aaron G
Philadelphia, PA

Hi,

The fact is, where people do have tiny monitors, they invariably have PC's
that are so old they don't meet the minimum requirements for recent Access
versions anyway, so they have to be upgraded. End users think it's great,
they get the new PC they've been asking after for years.
 
Hi, Aaron.
I think many designers use 800x600 as a basis for designing forms, but would
it be so bad to use 1024x768?

Yes. There's 64% more screen real estate in 1024x768 than there is in
800x600, but developers will try to cram in more than twice as much on a form
used with higher resolution. A form with 30 text boxes for data entry at
800x600 resolution gets redesigned with 75 text boxes or more for 1024x768
resolution. It's hard to visually scan for one particular item on the screen
when there's so much "clutter."

Design the application for the intended customers. Ask them what they want.
And bear in mind that this can change "due to unforeseen circumstances" in a
heart beat.

I once worked at a site with more than 1,100 employees when the main
customer decided to move operations across the country because the new,
inexperienced employees he could hire in Florida were cheaper than the
experienced engineers and technicians in California. Within three months,
the site had less than 300 employees and the only people younger than
"bifocals age" were five of the six IT people and someone in one other
department where "most valuable" took precedence over "seniority." (I was
the last one hired, so I would have been the first to go if my senior manager
hadn't convinced the site director that I do the work of 2 1/2 employees.) I
found myself redesigning forms for 460x640 resolution for people reassigned
to jobs that included 17-inch monitors on their desks.
Are there a good amount of
people still on 800x600?

Yes. And many people are still working with Windows 2000 and older and with
pre-Office 2003 applications, even though these were superceded by more
recent versions several years ago. Until the software requires that the
hardware be upgraded, most businesses aren't going to want to foot the bill
for better, faster computers -- and the new monitors with larger screens that
accompany these new computers. It's the computer's lack of capabilities that
drive the upgrade, not the monitor's.
And if so, wouldn't they have to be used to doing a
boatload of scrolling already? There are plenty of websites that use
1024x768 as well as some apps.

As a sight-impaired computer user, I can tell you that Web sites and
applications that require excessive scrolling don't get many visits or much
use from the sight-impaired and the older generation of computer users, even
if the Web site has excellent content or the application is useful -- and
free. It's too annoying, and there are enough other Web sites and software
application vendors competing for viewers and customers for these particular
users not to spend their time and money elsewhere. And may I remind you that
it's the older generation of computer users that has more money to spend. ;-)

HTH.
Gunny

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Dear Gunny:

Your "sight impaired" user comment caught my eye; I am a teacher of
visually impaired and blind students. I wonder if you might be willing to
contact me - I'm particularly interested in using/developing Access
applications for blind/visually impaired users, and I'd love to pick your
brain and glean any insights you might have!

Cheers!
Fred Boer

P.S. You can derive my email address from the munged email address of this
post..
 
Per Aaron G:
I think many designers use 800x600 as a basis for designing forms, but would
it be so bad to use 1024x768? Granted, you want your user base to be as
large as possible, but is it worth it to give up precious screen real estate
that will allow an app to be so much more useful? Are there a good amount of
people still on 800x600?

Somebody somewhere did an informal survey - completed only by people who chose
to participate.

Their numbers were:
------------------------
05% 640x480
13% 800x600
47% 1024x768
31% 1280x1024
04% "Other"
 
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